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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2018, 09:49:38 am »
 
It's a small web site of little importance beyond it's ability to make leftists fume.
 

I have to respond to everything here - however pls note that The Rebel has more viewers than "The National" on CBC.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2018, 08:56:30 pm »
I have to respond to everything here - however pls note that The Rebel has more viewers than "The National" on CBC.

Seriously? And how would you even know that...? Viewers?
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2018, 07:05:22 am »
They have something like 850K subscribers.  More people than watch The National.

The thing about new media is it sneaks up on you.  I know I was surprised when I found out about these things.  Newspapers too.

This is why politics as we know it is changing.  People get their news from Facebook posts and CPE.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2018, 10:10:06 am »
They have something like 850K subscribers.  More people than watch The National.

That's not saying much for the National - given how much we pay for the CBC.

But having 850k subscribers is not that big a deal. Want to see someone with almost eight MILLION subscribers? A figure which beats the hell out of all US news broadcasts from FOX to NBC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5t4YXu9V2I&index=100&list=PLa7SaB6RofYQJqrFPqniKN4LkYJSseg34&t=148s
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2018, 10:40:15 am »
I have to respond to everything here - however pls note that The Rebel has more viewers than "The National" on CBC.

If you really want to compare then you need to look at who actually watches something. The Rebel gets about 230,000 story views a day. The National gets between 300,000 and 600,000 viewers for the second half of the program (ie. after about 5-6 stories). That puts the National about an order of magnitude above the Rebel.

If you want to really do a youtube viewship comparison, then compare Ezra Levant to Logan Paul. Paul Gets about 50 times the views of Levant, but they both appeal to morons.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2018, 08:18:04 am »
Impact and SJ are comparing to international/American/topic specific sites which are apples-to-oranges IMO.

The National, as Impact says, gets more viewers however not 'order of magnitude'.  Also, it may be that subscribers are more engaged with one model or another.  And some subscribers may be more influential to policy than others - in fact I would bet on it.

In any case, there is a discussion happening - within media bubbles though.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2018, 09:34:44 am »
Impact and SJ are comparing to international/American/topic specific sites which are apples-to-oranges IMO.

I would be astonished, given the reach of the internet, and the American themed narrative of the Rebel, if a huge number of its viewers weren't American. I mean, why were they in Charlottetown to begin with? Because of that American themed pro-trump narrative.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2018, 10:08:54 am »
I think a ton of them are Canadian.  There is no middle of the road conservative blog, I think.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2018, 03:42:13 pm »
I think a ton of them are Canadian.  There is no middle of the road conservative blog, I think.

No, there is no National Review or Spectator in Canada, more's the pity.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2018, 07:20:06 am »
No, there is no National Review or Spectator in Canada, more's the pity.

There's an argument that television produced a generation of leaders that were well-presented on that medium, ie. Kennedy/Trudeau.  If you accept that premise, even for a second, then it means we need a new leader that thrives in the new environment.

Such a leader would be, to me:

- Collaborative
- Able to articulate ideas via a broad (band) vision, vs. televisions 5-second soundbytes, with supporting data
- Eschew previous left/right political branding to embrace pragmatism

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2018, 11:09:44 am »
There's an argument that television produced a generation of leaders that were well-presented on that medium, ie. Kennedy/Trudeau.  If you accept that premise, even for a second, then it means we need a new leader that thrives in the new environment.

What new environment? The new environment of deeply biased internet media which often aren't all that careful with their facts? The Tinder environment where people swipe left or right depending on how pretty you are? The environment of style outweighing substance, where the superficial is so important no one ever delves deeper?

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Such a leader would be, to me:

- Collaborative

Such people are boring and don't make for screaming headlines or cutesy pictures. See Trump, Donald, and Trudeau, Justin.

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- Able to articulate ideas via a broad (band) vision, vs. televisions 5-second soundbytes, with supporting data
- Eschew previous left/right political branding to embrace pragmatism

Pragmatism is what you sometimes get once elected. See Harper as an example. Before then you get people trying to get attention by making noise, and you don't get that attention by being reasonable and pragmatic.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2018, 03:35:48 pm »
What new environment? The new environment of deeply biased internet media which often aren't all that careful with their facts?

Yes, that's it.

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The Tinder environment where people swipe left or right depending on how pretty you are? The environment of style outweighing substance, where the superficial is so important no one ever delves deeper?

Again, you know it well.

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Such people are boring and don't make for screaming headlines or cutesy pictures. See Trump, Donald, and Trudeau, Justin.

Boring will be back in soon enough.

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Pragmatism is what you sometimes get once elected. See Harper as an example. Before then you get people trying to get attention by making noise, and you don't get that attention by being reasonable and pragmatic.

Sometimes... :D

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2018, 01:25:40 pm »
Hey if an attractive child of a former PM with little to no experience can be PM, then I guess one can be Ontario Premiere.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #73 on: February 28, 2018, 03:23:48 pm »
Hey if an attractive child of a former PM with little to no experience can be PM, then I guess one can be Ontario Premiere.

6 years, and two general elections were his qualifications for leadership (plus another election and couple of years for Prime Minister). What does Mulroney have?

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2018, 03:30:13 pm »
6 years, and two general elections were his qualifications for leadership (plus another election and couple of years for Prime Minister). What does Mulroney have?

Twenty years of real life working at responsible financial jobs.

vs what, 2 years a drama teacher?
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