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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 02:23:50 pm »
Trust me, it'll be painted as a redneck Chreeeestian rube thing. Not a Muslims hate gays thing.
So you support the new curriculum then? Or are you just sad that people aren’t hating ion Muslims enough for you?

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 09:45:49 pm »
As long as we all agree they're bigoted rednecked bastards, that's all that matters.

What did they do again...?
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2018, 05:53:40 am »
The lunkhead's dilemma:

If Conservative, having to align with Muslims
If Liberal, having to criticize immigrants

Oh, the agony...
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2018, 06:59:11 am »
Apparently only Caroline Mulroney isn't going to revisit the sex-ed issue.  How is this a political winner, other than to get the religious votes at the very beginning of the race ?

One of the candidates (the unknown one) even went back to the bullshit "they are teaching anal sex to our children" meme...

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2018, 08:49:52 am »
Trust me, it'll be painted as a redneck Chreeeestian rube thing. Not a Muslims hate gays thing.

Who has been most.vocally opposed.to this sex ed thing, Christian or Muslim groups?   Or both?
https://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/sex-ed-curriculum
(Christian anti-abortion group)

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3032264
(Conservative groups organize protests)

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/one-in-six-ontario-parents-considered-pulling-kids-from-school-over-new-sex-ed-curriculum-poll
(80% of Evangelicals/Pentacostal disapprove; ~30% Catholics/other religions disapprove; 45% of Pentacostals disapprove and 18% of those claiming no religion at all disapprove)

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/muslim-community-taking-the-lead-in-latest-round-of-ontario-sex-education-protests
(Muslim parents remove most kids from school to protest sex ed curriculum)

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3241086
(Muslims support sex ed curriculum)

(Couldn't find any news stories about Christians or Christian groups actively supporting the curriculum, but I am sure some do.  Not all Christians are gay-hating rubes)

Looks like (some) Christians hate gays as much as (some) Muslims do and that (some) Muslims are as much rubes as (some) Christians.  Christians, Muslims and conservatives together are no doubt a powerful and significant voting bloc so perhaps it is a good idea to kowtow to all these groups.



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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2018, 11:25:59 pm »
Patrick Brown is running to be leader of a party he's tearing apart

Who wouldn't love to have that headline for their leadership bid ? 

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/reevely-the-harder-patrick-brown-fights-the-more-pain-for-his-party

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Regardless, look at the burning dump Brown left behind in the leader’s office. His interim successor Vic Fedeli almost immediately revealed that despite Brown’s boasts just a couple of weeks earlier that the Tories had 200,000 paid-up members, the actual number was 133,000 and they weren’t done investigating. Scraping out the rot would occupy him full-time, Fedeli said, abandoning his plan to seek the party leadership permanently.

Brown’s friend, party president Rick Dykstra, resigned hours ahead of a sexual-misconduct scandal of his own.

The party overturned two of its own local nominations, including in Ottawa West-Nepean, and a third candidate asked for his own to be vacated. Too much cheating, or plausible allegations thereof, for them to stand. Brown had intervened personally to preserve them.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2018, 12:02:35 am »
... and the dysfunctional Liberals will win again thanks to the even more dysfunctional PCs.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2018, 12:04:45 pm »
How ?  They have shown the opponents on video and in photos and many of whom are as you mentioned.  What of it ?

Sure. And just about every time some druggy or gang member gets killed in a shooting in Ottawa he has an Arab/African name, as does the guy arrested. The media doesn't 'hide' that, but they sure as hell don't make a point of mentioning it much either. It's not like you'll ever see a newspapers story or column that says something like "Gee, how come the majority of all our shootings involve Muslims?" Ain't gonna happen.

So Kimmy suggests its rednecks and yokels opposing sex ed. Why? Kimmy is pretty smart. But unless you follow the news carefully you don't know this stuff. Esp if you're not in Ontario. Like I said, the media aren't going to draw attention to it if they can avoid doing so.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2018, 12:06:43 pm »
Looks like (some) Christians hate gays as much as (some) Muslims do and that (some) Muslims are as much rubes as (some) Christians. 

You know, you don't have to hate gays to be wary of having your 8 year old taught that they can switch genders any time they feel like it.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2018, 12:22:22 pm »
You know, you don't have to hate gays to be wary of having your 8 year old taught that they can switch genders any time they feel like it.

Quote from Sir John:
My understanding is the greatest resistance to the Wynne sex ed changes are not coming from 'yokels and rednecks' but from 'brown' people in the cities

Quote from Boges:
Trust me, it'll be painted as a redneck Chreeeestian rube thing. Not a Muslims hate gays thing.

So what is it - Brown people/Muslims are against sex-ed because they hate gays, or White people/Christians are justifiably concerned about sex-ed because it informs students about transgender issues?

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2018, 01:04:26 pm »
You know, you don't have to hate gays to be wary of having your 8 year old taught that they can switch genders any time they feel like it.

Do you think such teaching is going to cause your 8 year old to switch gender? I don't think so. But it may help them to be more capable of accepting someone who does. It is a reality you know.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2018, 09:11:02 am »
It really looks like the the PCs just wanted Brown out. It's a party divided. And I can't even blame Wynne for it.

This party needs to get it's **** together. They could nominate a Colobus Monkey and win. In fact with this leadership strife a poll came out with them at 49%.


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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2018, 09:24:05 am »
You know, you don't have to hate gays to be wary of having your 8 year old taught that they can switch genders any time they feel like it.

Wary, maybe.  But I would wager that even so-called traditional conservatives would recognize the cruelty of imposing gender norms on a child that doesn't fit those identities. 

As we argue over strawmen (eg. suggestion that we must impose surgeries and hormone therapy on children), let's not lose sight of the progress that all of us have made.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2018, 09:29:47 am »
Sure. And just about every time some druggy or gang member gets killed in a shooting in Ottawa he has an Arab/African name, as does the guy arrested. The media doesn't 'hide' that, but they sure as hell don't make a point of mentioning it much either.

That's ridiculous.  What do you want them to say:

"Arrested for the crime was Ahmed Amood - an ARAB !! - at the scene."

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It's not like you'll ever see a newspapers story or column that says something like "Gee, how come the majority of all our shootings involve Muslims?" Ain't gonna happen.

Why do you think that is ?

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So Kimmy suggests its rednecks and yokels opposing sex ed. Why? Kimmy is pretty smart. But unless you follow the news carefully you don't know this stuff. Esp if you're not in Ontario. Like I said, the media aren't going to draw attention to it if they can avoid doing so.

I am trying to be objective and as such I don't know how much these things are mentioned.  Time for a google search:

https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C5CHFA_enCA785&ei=64-NWrE-iOWPBNX1i6gF&q=%2B%22ontario+sex-ed+curriculum%22+%2Bimmigrant+&oq=%2B%22ontario+sex-ed+curriculum%22+%2Bimmigrant+&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2314.2314.0.3144.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.7-c4aNF8Ajw

1 google hit in 1,000 mentions this factor.  But then again 'religious' doesn't fare much better.

As such, I concur that you are right.  People do not want to talk about this factor.  I would say that we can have the discussion without casting blame on immigrant groups as these are values shared by old-time Canadians also.


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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2018, 11:00:27 am »
Old-time? Try the more eugenic term: old stock.