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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #150 on: March 12, 2018, 06:18:26 pm »
If you have a job where you make money for someone else, you would be better off destroying the entire system so you can regain your humanity. But Im not holding my breath.

I make money for me - and the government. And yes, a big corporation also profits from what I do. But there's no real way around that.

Destroying systems leads to bad stuff.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #151 on: March 12, 2018, 06:28:36 pm »
Argus seems to think the interests of the people he listed are mutually exclusive from heterosexual white men. That explains a lot about why hes always fighting against them.

The way the Liberals and NDP do it they ARE mutually exclusive.

If you're going to insist that people be hired and promoted and given contracts on the basis of their membership in an identity group then that clearly is at the expense of white people. Just as if you're going to insist that women be hired because of their gender that is against the interests of men. There are only so many jobs out there, after all. If you're going to take money away from me in order to help women and various 'racialized' groups than that's clearly not in my interests either. Particularly when you increase my taxes to do so. It's also very much NOT in my interest to vote for parties which believe 'fairness' means taking making me poorer and making poor people richer.

By the way, I would dispute that most of what the Left does actually helps any of those groups. The Left have been 'helping' natives for decades, and see all the great things that have come from that.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #152 on: March 16, 2018, 09:31:30 am »
Why not consider NDP, Green, or anything else? That is the problem with Canadian politics, we only want red or blue and then we get stuck with continual corruption (yes, Ford is even more corrupt than Wynne).

With due respect would you really vote for the provincial NDP's at this point? Does anyone even know what they stand for? Sorry I don't see how an NDP Party would help. In fact I am not sure if there is any difference at all between their platform and the Liberal platform and my no.1 concern is the debt this province is spending next generations into.

The Green Party again with due respect is a fringe party. Its a one  trick pony. Its policies on the economy are often hodge podge plagiarizations of American Libertarian laissez fair principles in regards to market control which then contradict their belief that we need extensive market regulations when it comes to protecting the environment.

I am what you criticize and you do it fairly. Its true. I head to the middle when I vote seeking no extreme views and you are right I end up voting in continual corruption but is that just particular to Tories and Liberals. are you saying the system itself is not corrupt just the particular political parties.

If you could show me a way to  vote for someone who wants to deal with corruption please share. At this point I don't want to waste my vote out of principle since I think its a privilege many take for granted and soldiers died for so we could have. I cherish that vote. I kid you not I would love to vote for someone honest. It would make a difference to me. You tell me who that is these days.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #153 on: March 16, 2018, 09:43:15 am »
Wynne also alienates people, as the insane ramblings of trolls on Facebook demonstrate. So then what? When both camps are alienating people, who wins? People are tired of Wynne. Those who would otherwise support the Liberals and can't stand Ford, probably just won't turn out to vote. Ford will excite people who thought that their views would never be represented in Queen's Park. So on one hand you have Liberals staying home, on the other you have Ford bringing people who otherwise think their vote doesn't matter.

I think people are really underestimating the chance Doug Ford has here.

That is an excellent point and I am the first to admit I may be doing that. So I will listen to what he says the next few weeks. For sure someone like me in the extreme middle has expectations he is an idiot from city politics and how he behaved at Toronto City Hall as a pathetic thug covering up his brother's bad behavior. The Tory party supposedly threw out Pat Brown for having questionable morals, and then put in someone everyone knows was a drug pusher throughout high school. What does that say to voters like me?

I do admit the last few days he has not sounded out of control actually quite calm and controlled. I tell you what. For me the sex education issue is a non issue. I think saying you are going to undo it is silly. Parents have the right to pull their kids from classes now and they do. Its a non issue. He should not waste the party's time on such issues and focus on the economy. For example he made a point someone like me in the middle understands which is-its probably more effective economically not to increase the minimum wage rate but instead simply make sure people at the minimum wage level are not taxed. They end up with more money in their pocket. He is right. When you increase minimum wage but tax it which Wynne is doing its a dishonest tax grab. She gives it, then takes it back and dupes poor people into feeling she helped them. He explained that quite well when I heard him responding on that issue.

Maybe just maybe if he concentrates on the economy he might just prove people like me wrong. I hope so and I would then vote for him. I don't like some of his comments over the years. He was a bully in City Hall shouting down with great disrespect concerned citizens. I was at one such meeting where I did not agree with those citizens but the way he handled them was uncalled for. I spoke to some of them. They had concerns I talked to them about respectfully in a not so bad debate after. We all agreed what they were saying deserved acknowledgement. That is all people really want sometimes. I hope he understands that. When he was talking about minimum wage he was respectful to people on that wage in his comments.

So I will keep an open mind and listen. Truthfully its hard for me at this point to do that with Wynne but I will try listen to him and Horvath. You are right Ford has a lot of preconceived images about his beliefs and behavior. Its just it would have been a hell of a lot easier with someone like Mulroney who has no baggage so to speak other than she was BM's daughter and might be considered out of touch with grass roots Ontarians which she could have dispelled.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #154 on: March 16, 2018, 01:40:32 pm »
Wynne Prorogues the House just to have a Throne Speech on Monday.

She's Scared AF of DoFo.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #155 on: March 16, 2018, 01:42:12 pm »
Wynne Prorogues the House just to have a Throne Speech on Monday.

She's Scared AF of DoFo.

Sure thing, she is running away from him for a whole weekend, less the weekend because the Legislature doesn't sit on the weekend.

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« Reply #156 on: March 16, 2018, 02:20:26 pm »
Seems a desperation move to have a Throne Speech as a Campaign announcement. Has an incumbent government ever done this?

Now all tabled legislation needs to be re-introduced.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #157 on: March 16, 2018, 02:33:07 pm »
Seems a desperation move to have a Throne Speech as a Campaign announcement. Has an incumbent government ever done this?

Now all tabled legislation needs to be re-introduced.

The budget is due out in a couple of weeks, if there is a major shift in priorities in the budget then this may be a way of introducing them. I agree however doing it 3 months before a general election seems unusual.

From a practical point however, with the legislature currently on spring break and the formality of reintroducing legislation (which Wynne says all current ones will be done) there is no real interruption to business other than the hour or so of the speech.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #158 on: March 16, 2018, 02:37:40 pm »
I'm not saying it will.

But you have a campaign ahead. That's pretty much a Throne Speech anyway. Ditto with a budget.

This is just a waste of everyone's time.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #159 on: March 16, 2018, 02:54:35 pm »
No doubt they are rejigging the budget so they can buy votes.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #160 on: March 16, 2018, 02:59:16 pm »
No doubt they are rejigging the budget so they can buy votes.

Yes, nice to have a budget and not fairy dust (will balance the books, cut taxes, keep everyone on the payroll, and tinkerbell will find "efficiencies").

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #161 on: March 16, 2018, 03:49:15 pm »
Yes, nice to have a budget and not fairy dust (will balance the books, cut taxes, keep everyone on the payroll, and tinkerbell will find "efficiencies").

The Wynne Liberals said they'd balance the budget, only to do it on one time sell offs and now are headed back to deficit even during a relatively good economic period.

A Liberal budget is all about fairy dust.

They can't balance the budget, because they have to buy votes.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #162 on: March 16, 2018, 06:24:52 pm »
Yes, nice to have a budget and not fairy dust (will balance the books, cut taxes, keep everyone on the payroll, and tinkerbell will find "efficiencies").


Like the Trudeau Liberals promising to balance the budget and reduce the debt to GDP to 27% by 2019?
Remember those? They were in there with open, transparent government, more power for MPs and parliament, and a change to how we elect MPs.

"...and the budget will balance itself!"  - Well, not so much apparently.


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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #163 on: March 17, 2018, 08:15:27 am »
Liberals tease NDP votes by offering left-wing baubles and sometimes actual concessions.

They tease Conservative votes by offering balanced budgets and responsible spending.

After about 8 years on average, voters dump them and choose the Conservatives, or gives them a minority with the NDP.  Then they put in a new face and the game goes on.

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As for DoFo, Wynne is probably glad to have him as an opponent so she can pull out her fear-mongering and deplorables-blaming campaign, which will reduce the Liberals to single-digit seats, and negative poll numbers.  That means people who aren't even polled will be added to the polls to say they will vote for anyone but Wynne.

Then DoFo, and either:

1) Keep Trumptario Beautiful

OR

2) "I will do whatever I need to, to stay up in the polls"

Hope for #2, because the people actually want something reasonable.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2018, 04:01:32 pm »
So 6 more years of deficit. So basically the entire mandate should they get elected again.

Wynne is promising the moon with modest tax hikes. With interest rates going up governments can't keep buying votes with people's own money. There has to be some attempt a fiscal responsibility.

I hope people don't buy these lies. Sure DoFo is rough around the edges but he can't be this bad in government.