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Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« on: January 30, 2018, 05:53:41 am »
 http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-let-those-who-know-best-pick-a-party-leader-thats-the-caucus-not-the-membership

Coyne makes the case for having the caucus pick the leader.  The current process, he says, is called 'more democratic' but...

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Only, please donít call this ďmore democratic.Ē Leave aside the likelihood of irregularities and warlordism in such a hastily-organized campaign. Ignore the violation of the core democratic principle of government with the consent of the governed. No, what is most galling about the travesty of democracy to come is its virulently undemocratic premise: that members of caucus are just a bunch of nobodies ó or what is worse, ďelites.Ē

Those would be the nobodies who won first the party nomination, then the general election in their ridings. Each was the democratic choice of tens of thousands of voters; collectively, of hundreds of thousands. True, their independence and authority as elected representatives has been allowed to atrophy, in favour of the party leader; and true, in todayís obsessively leader-focused campaigns, the individual candidate owes his or her seat more to the leader than to his own efforts.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 10:28:59 am »
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-let-those-who-know-best-pick-a-party-leader-thats-the-caucus-not-the-membership

Coyne makes the case for having the caucus pick the leader.  The current process, he says, is called 'more democratic' but...

DoFo as Premier...

I would be okay with this, but ONLY if they re-run the process. When Fedeli was selected it was a INTERIM leader and others who might have had an interest in becoming leader probably bowed out. If it's to be actual leader then re-run it and see if he wins this time.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2018, 10:46:41 am »
The Globe opinion says that there's a war brewing any way so they may as well have a convention.



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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 10:50:00 am »
The Globe opinion says that there's a war brewing any way so they may as well have a convention.

Well, Mulroney was apparently quite competent in private life, and would certainly put a fresh young face on the party. She'd also be very hard for the old warhorses of the Liberal party to portray as an evil far right troglodyte. Dunno if she'd be any good but right now all I care about is getting the Liberals out of there.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2018, 01:15:54 pm »
Well, Mulroney was apparently quite competent in private life, and would certainly put a fresh young face on the party. She'd also be very hard for the old warhorses of the Liberal party to portray as an evil far right troglodyte. Dunno if she'd be any good but right now all I care about is getting the Liberals out of there.

Yeah, I was looking up her linked in.

It's really time for a new party to supplant the Liberals, and replace it with moral and financial pragmatism in the centre.  The British Liberal party died in the 1970s why does ours continue ? 

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 01:16:42 pm »
Certainly they would be muchly hard-pressed to find something wrong with a smart and well-educated female centrist.

The Liberals would be cooked.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2018, 01:23:05 pm »
Despite her inexperience, I think Mulroney would be unbeatable. Ford, on the other hand, would make sense if they liked being in opposition and want to stay there. Maybe he could get some help from Russian hackers to make it competitive though.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 01:42:33 pm »
Despite her inexperience, I think Mulroney would be unbeatable.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolinelapham/?trk=public-profile-join-page

She's the same age her dad was when he became PM and arguably more experienced.  I  think he was a mining company president.

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Ford, on the other hand, would make sense if they liked being in opposition and want to stay there. Maybe he could get some help from Russian hackers to make it competitive though.

Ford has learned the FordTrump magic of telling poor slobs that he is one of them and getting people who have never looked at a ballot in their lives to get excited.  Of course, f*** him.  But he could win.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2018, 02:08:34 pm »
Certainly they would be muchly hard-pressed to find something wrong with a smart and well-educated female centrist.

The Liberals would be cooked.
Centrist isnít a position. Itís a ďpox on both housesĒ that defines itself by rejecting everything else. We donít need centrists. We need centrists in politics. We need people with principles who stand for something. I donít even care if Iím personally opposed to what they stand for but centrism is the consequence of intellectual laziness. People need to take some responsibility for their stances and stop riding fences.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2018, 02:29:14 pm »
Centrist isnít a position. Itís a ďpox on both housesĒ that defines itself by rejecting everything else. We donít need centrists. We need centrists in politics. We need people with principles who stand for something. I donít even care if Iím personally opposed to what they stand for but centrism is the consequence of intellectual laziness. People need to take some responsibility for their stances and stop riding fences.

Centrist is a stupid term.   I think we need unifiers who are not strongly tied to one side of 1930s politics.


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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 02:32:54 pm »
Centrist isnít a position. Itís a ďpox on both housesĒ that defines itself by rejecting everything else.
A centrist is someone who can see both sides of the arguments. A centrist is some who wants to build consensus. I think we need a lot more of those.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 02:44:22 pm »
I call them unifiers.

There is actually less division between Canadian right/left than in a lot of places. 

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 02:54:54 pm »
Centrist isnít a position. Itís a ďpox on both housesĒ that defines itself by rejecting everything else

No, it's a "I like some of YOUR policies, in moderation, and I like some of HIS policies in moderation".
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2018, 03:19:02 pm »
Centrist isnít a position. Itís a ďpox on both housesĒ that defines itself by rejecting everything else. We donít need centrists. We need centrists in politics. We need people with principles who stand for something. I donít even care if Iím personally opposed to what they stand for but centrism is the consequence of intellectual laziness. People need to take some responsibility for their stances and stop riding fences.

Exactly why I don't like the Liberals.