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Offline Granny

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #210 on: September 18, 2019, 01:22:19 am »
I'm skeptical that the ones who ended up in a fight with the neo-Nazis were angels themselves.
They did nothing wrong at Pride Fest that warranted the police withholding service and the harassment that day and in following days and months. While TransAnarchists initially held up the screen that hid the hate groups, they were joined by many others as they soon had to defend themselves from the violent attacks by the Christian homophobes, while police stood by. 

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Homophobia still exists, but deliberately making an enemy of police forces wasn't the right way to fight it. "You can't build bridges by excluding people", as people have said since long before this Hamilton controversy.
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They can't build bridges with homophobes at all.
And while the TransAnarchists likely never will be willing or able to, the Pride Fest organizing committee did try with the Mayor and Chief of Police, both of whom quickly regressed to having hissy fits and  smearing the entire LGBTQ+ community - because no Recruiting booth at Pride. 
Other police and politicians show more promise, but are blocked 'at the top'.

The problem at Pride Fest originated with the hate groups' harassing and trying to disrupt the festival, a fact that some like to ignore, preferring to vilify Pride Fest itself.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #211 on: September 18, 2019, 01:41:52 am »
Homophobia is rampant but not so openly tolerated as in Hamilton.  And yet somehow there is no continuous media outrage.

Homophobia isn't tolerated in Hamilton any more than any other place.
The hate groups harassing Pride, and rallying at City Hall are mostly from out of town, and include militant and violent people from (to my knowledge) Toronto (Street Preachers), Kitchener, Oshawa, Barrie, etc.
They are confronted every time by many Hamiltonians who show up to oppose them.
Many more people, groups, businesses etc. have lobbied City Hall and Police about the injustice of police allowing violent attacks on Pride, and submitted formal complaints about that, and about police repeatedly appearing to defend and protect the hate groups.

And we have a few virulent homophobes in high places, blocking progress and inciting prejudice against the LGBTQ community.

The people of Hamilton generally do not tolerate homophobia. We have specific problems in high places that have created and escalated the situation. We hope OIPRD can help, because current Council, Police Services Board and Police command seem unmotivated and incompetent to do so.


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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #212 on: September 18, 2019, 04:36:32 am »
Sorry, I meant to say as in this example in Hamilton, ie. with the police.

My point is that people go on and on about 'cancel culture' and 'outrage culture' and say that 'you can't say anything anymore' but these kinds of things still happen under our noses.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #213 on: September 18, 2019, 11:31:17 am »
Sorry, I meant to say as in this example in Hamilton, ie. with the police.

My point is that people go on and on about 'cancel culture' and 'outrage culture' and say that 'you can't say anything anymore' but these kinds of things still happen under our noses.

Thank you.
Hamilton is fine.
The Chief of Police is not.
The Mayor is not.
And they are wreaking havoc.
Hamilton is stunned by their bigotry, perhaps in disbelief.

A perspective by Graham Crawford:
https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/9596058-addressing-hamilton-s-civic-crisis-of-hate/
Back in 1981, after I moved from Hamilton to Toronto, I stood on the front lines protesting for my rights as a gay man. I was a marshal at a number of subsequent demonstrations. It was my job to keep our people safe. I wasn't particularly brave, but I was determined to stand up to hate that I was now experiencing. One night, the police stood between hundreds of us and a group of less than a dozen thugs who were taunting us and throwing rocks at us. Then, the police charged. At us. Hitting the marshals first with their batons. I never forgot that moment.
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We are in the midst of a dangerous civic crisis fuelled by the poor leadership of our civic institutions.


Violent mobs attacking gays, and then police attacking them violently too.
It still happens ... 40 years later.

Whoever thinks gay rights are won and done does not know the truth of the violence that still threatens LGBTQ+ people, sometimes and some places by police ... still.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #214 on: September 18, 2019, 08:02:38 pm »
I didn't mean to malign the hammer.  I have close friends and immediate family there.  I have had some very special times... St. Joseph's Church, the hockey arena, Jack and Lois' Restaurant, Copps Colliseum, Reimel Road...

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #215 on: September 18, 2019, 11:17:35 pm »
I didn't mean to malign the hammer.  I have close friends and immediate family there.  I have had some very special times... St. Joseph's Church, the hockey arena, Jack and Lois' Restaurant, Copps Colliseum, Reimel Road...
Lol
Guess you missed SuperCrawl.
No offence taken. Just clarifying.

The problem is, literally, roving hate groups from other towns. They aren't random, and the organization is just now clearer: 

https://scaffold.media/2019/09/18/jenny-hill-exposed-leader-of-anti-islam-group-pegida-is-chatham-kent-resident-janice-bultje/
Organizing under the alias “Jenny Hill”, Bultje has been responsible for headlining contentious and frequently violent monthly “Rallies against Radical Islam” in communities throughout southern Ontario. These events have often spiraled out of control as far-right groups such as Yellow Vests Canada, the Proud Boys, Soldiers of Odin, Wolves of Odin, Canadian Combat Coalition, Jewish Defence League and christian extremist group “the Servanthoods” have turned out to support Bultje’s message.

We've seen most of these groups rotating through Hamilton. "Servanthoods" were the violent ones at Pride Fest.
It's organized.
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It's called PEGIDA, a virulent anti-Muslim/white supremacist homophobic group imported from Europe.
National/Ontario, BC AB MB NB + ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegida

https://pegidacanada.webs.com/

https://pegidacanada.webs.com/about
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #216 on: September 21, 2019, 10:07:28 am »
And in other Hamilton Police Service news ...

[Former undercover HPS officer] ... alleged his identity was intentionally revealed to a Hamilton crime family by a high-ranking police colleague and that other officers have ties to organized crime and the Hells Angels.

To summarize ... 'Some' police officers blew his cover and abandoned him to the mob. He survived to tell, blew the whistle on all of it, and he is suing HPS (& Police Services Board ... which includes the Mayor) for several million in damages.

** The City has failed to provide the court with a defense.**

Oh the intrigue and the dancing and wailing and gnashing ... !

And btw ... mob-police-politician collusion doesn't just happen in Hamilton. We are fortunate to have Paul Manning, the outsider, "the Englishman", who is brave enough to tell the truth.

And OIPRD investigations into police response to Hate groups at Pride Fest are ongoing.


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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #217 on: September 22, 2019, 03:40:11 pm »
Please tell us about Mr. Manning then.  ???

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #218 on: September 22, 2019, 09:08:59 pm »
Please tell us about Mr. Manning then.  ???

Oops ... here's links
Latest ... City fails to file a defense to Manning's lawsuit ...
(Check under the buses for the City lawyers. Lol)
Local media Spec  CHTV CHML are pretty quiet. CBC Hamilton is reporting, and ...
https://nationalpost.com/news/hamilton-police-ignored-court-orders-brought-justice-into-disrepute-in-legal-battle-with-officer-alleging-police-corruption?fbclid=IwAR15l61uX2c7uFA6jFL9v6oAy5op4rfdrWss90nE0aBZQAPdeJBY-lwKwVs
The police board’s conduct was so egregious the service and its former chief were stripped of their right to continue defending the multi-million dollar lawsuit, according to a court ruling.

Paul Manning
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/headlines/once-undercover-hamilton-cop-alleges-police-didn-t-have-his-back-1.3570458
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #219 on: September 30, 2019, 12:11:01 pm »
They sure have a bunch of violent nutbars in Hamilton for some reason.  There's a video of the scuffle with police in the article:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/mohawk-bernier-violent-clashes-1.5302342

"Violent clashes break out at Maxime Bernier event in Hamilton"

A peaceful protest outside an event for Maxime Bernier turned violent Sunday evening as supporters of the People's Party of Canada began to arrive and enter the venue.  A scuffle occurred in the crowd of around 100 about half an hour before the event — at Hamilton's Mohawk College — was scheduled to start. Two men from opposing sides of the protests were led away in handcuffs by police.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #220 on: October 05, 2019, 04:10:05 pm »
They sure have a bunch of violent nutbars in Hamilton for some reason.  There's a video of the scuffle with police in the article:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/mohawk-bernier-violent-clashes-1.5302342

"Violent clashes break out at Maxime Bernier event in Hamilton"

A peaceful protest outside an event for Maxime Bernier turned violent Sunday evening as supporters of the People's Party of Canada began to arrive and enter the venue.  A scuffle occurred in the crowd of around 100 about half an hour before the event — at Hamilton's Mohawk College — was scheduled to start. Two men from opposing sides of the protests were led away in handcuffs by police.


The "violent nutbars" are white supremacists not from Hamilton, including one of Bernier's 'security' thugs who, upon arriving with Bernier, spotted a man holding a sign that said "Hamilton Celebrates Inclusion". Bernier's thug said "No fucking way!", punched the man and ripped his sign.
Bernier just kept walking.