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Offline Omni

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #150 on: July 04, 2019, 01:57:48 pm »
There's a pretty high threshold usually to enforce hate speech in Canada, at least in the actual courts and not some of the more ridiculous provincial human rights tribunals that aren't run by real lawyers/judges.  Often it involves threats of violence against groups.  I'm sure some of the stuff in Charlottesville was hate speech if that happened in Canada.

Yeah I would say carrying a burning tiki torch, wearing a swastika arm bad/shirt, and chanting "Jews will no replace us" should be considered hate speech. If I was  was a Jew facing that I'd be scared for my safety.
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« Reply #151 on: July 04, 2019, 02:06:50 pm »
You said:As I already said, MG is free to talk like a sanctimonious **** and I am free to speak back.
That's just free speech. We all have it.


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« Reply #152 on: July 04, 2019, 02:11:37 pm »
Sorry, already tried turning the other cheek & being nice, it didn't work.  If there's going to be no punishment by mods for her actions, then i fight fire with fire and take matters into my own hands.  I won't start **** but i will end it.  And I really don't care in the least what you think about it since you're clearly biased and have a similar resentment for me as she does, simply based on the fact that I disagree with you politically.  Thanks for being so quick to defend me before (sarcasm), yet so quick to criticize me here.

Um, you told a poster to "go **** yourself" in the same sentence as you tried to tout "civil discussion". "Ironic" would be a rather polite description I chose.
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #153 on: July 04, 2019, 02:19:47 pm »
Um, you told a poster to "go **** yourself" in the same sentence as you tried to tout "civil discussion". "Ironic" would be a rather polite description I chose.

Um, you didn't get my point.

Um also, if people aren't going to be polite to me here when I've been polite to them, i will treat them as they treat me.  That includes starting responses to me with a condescending "um".  Not sure what i ever did to you either.  I'm polite, but i'm not a ****, i don't **** from anybody.
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« Reply #154 on: July 04, 2019, 02:25:27 pm »
Um, you didn't get my point.

Um also, if people aren't going to be polite to me here when I've been polite to them, i will treat them as they treat me.  That includes starting responses to me with a condescending "um".  Not sure what i ever did to you either.  I'm polite, but i'm not a ****, i don't **** from anybody.

Apparently you didn't get (or ignored) my point. BTW, it was a point not "****"

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« Reply #155 on: July 04, 2019, 02:57:00 pm »
Granny doesn't seem to understand the difference between the right to be heard and the right to hear. Wonder how much she would like people she doesn't agree with deciding what she is allowed to hear.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #156 on: July 04, 2019, 03:02:11 pm »
Um, you told a poster to "go **** yourself" in the same sentence as you tried to tout "civil discussion". "Ironic" would be a rather polite description I chose.

I think "go **** yourself" is a quite understandable response to being called a "sanctimonious ****". Particularly if you didn't start the name calling.
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« Reply #157 on: July 04, 2019, 03:05:31 pm »
I think "go **** yourself" is a quite understandable response to being called a "sanctimonious ****". Particularly if you didn't start the name calling.

So much for civil discussion then I guess.
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« Reply #158 on: July 04, 2019, 03:07:27 pm »
So much for civil discussion then I guess.

It's as civil as we make it. PG didn't didn't lower the civility, he just responded in kind.
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« Reply #159 on: July 04, 2019, 03:16:33 pm »
Free speech includes a right to hear ...   that's clear.
Let me know when someone complains about not being able to hear bigots inciting hatred.
Nobody ever comes to hear them in public places. Lol
If somebody wants to hear them, they can get a room.

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The CCLA does NOT advocate drowning out other people so they can't be heard.   They advocate "counter-speech and denunciation"
Counter speech and denunciation can be quite loud.
Louder even than Special Olympians booing Ford.
You can never stop people from that, nor from booing white supremacists and anti-gay Christian bigots.
That's all free speech.
Nobody said it was always polite. Lol

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In fact, the CCLA thinks hate speech laws should be removed.
  I think it was removed from the Human Rights Code by Harper. Your article must be old.

But the Criminal Code still applies:
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html
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Counter speech and denunciation does include drowning out hateful speech.
We are all free to speak in public spaces.
There is no 'right' for hatred to 'be heard'.
That's absurd.
No one 'has to' listen to hate speech in public spaces. 
They will be drowned out.
They may be violent.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #160 on: July 04, 2019, 03:26:44 pm »
Let me know when someone complains about not being able to hear bigots inciting hatred.
Nobody ever comes to hear them in public places. Lol
If somebody wants to hear them, they can get a room.

This is nonsense.  You're just trying to backtrack and change the subject because you are completely wrong about what free speech is.  Inciting hatred is covered by the Criminal Code.  Until they actually do incite hatred, then they have the same free speech rights as you or I.  And I have found that you should definitely not be the arbiter of what speech should be heard and what should be drowned out by screaming banshee SJWs.

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Counter speech and denunciation can be quite loud.
Louder even than Special Olympians booing Ford.
You can never stop people from that, nor from booing white supremacists and anti-gay Christian bigots.
That's all free speech.
Nobody said it was always polite. Lol
 

This is rambling, incoherent nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic.


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Counter speech and denunciation does include drowning out hateful speech.

To you it does...   the CCLA doesn't think so, but you said they do.  You're blowing smoke again.

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We are all free to speak in public spaces.
There is no 'right' for hatred to 'be heard'.
That's absurd.
No one 'has to' listen to hate speech in public spaces. 
They will be drowned out.
They may be violent.

You're rambling and incoherent again.

Debating your posts is like nailing jello to a wall...  you're just left with a mess.  You're incoherent.  You are constantly using straw man arguments.  You resort to childish insults when you don't like what someone says.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #161 on: July 04, 2019, 04:17:32 pm »
Granny still doesn't understand the difference between the right to hear and the right to be heard. She should be able to shout down anything she doesn't like but have the right to hear anything she does like.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #162 on: July 04, 2019, 04:18:46 pm »
Granny doesn't seem to understand the difference between the right to be heard and the right to hear.

There is no "right to be heard" for hate groups in public spaces. Anybody can be booed offstage (by free speech) anytime.

And I do mean anybody:  Doug Ford, for example, currently avoiding public places for that very reason. Cancelled Canada Day at Queens Park, even.  Lol

And nobody's ever complained about not being able to 'hear' hate groups in public spaces, in my experience. Lol
Anybody who wants to 'hear' hate groups can always  do it in private.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #163 on: July 04, 2019, 04:23:31 pm »
There is no "right to be heard" for hate groups in public spaces. Anybody can be booed offstage (by free speech) anytime.

And I do mean anybody:  Doug Ford, for example, currently avoiding public places for that very reason. Cancelled Canada Day at Queens Park, even.  Lol

And nobody's ever complained about not being able to 'hear' hate groups in public spaces, in my experience. Lol
Anybody who wants to 'hear' hate groups can always  do it in private.

Like I said, you don't understand the difference between a person's right to hear something and a persons right to be heard. You are not the arbiter of what others are allowed to hear.
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« Reply #164 on: July 04, 2019, 04:38:43 pm »
  Inciting hatred is covered by the Criminal Code.  Until they actually do incite hatred, then they have the same free speech rights as you or I.

Hate groups are always trying to incite hatred against groups protected by the Constitution. That's why they rally in public spaces. It's what they do ... in public spaces.
Otherwise, if they just want to talk to each other, they'd just get a room. Lol

I won't even try to address why police don't arrest/charge them for public incitement of hatred.
You tell me ... Lol
They have made some progress in doing so in some places in Canada, but only with huge public outcry.

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And I have found that you should definitely not be the arbiter of what speech should be heard and what should be drowned out by screaming banshee SJWs.


There is no "should". There is only what people are willing to tolerate in public spaces.
We are free to assemble to counter-speak,  speak back at them.
We are free to drown them out.

Do you think police should be letting violent Hate groups attack Pride Fest with amplified hatred and huge hate signs in a public park? Should police just stand back and let that happen, let families, kids, teens, Gay, Lesbian, Trans people have their festival disrupted and destroyed by hateful Christian bigots and other homophobic hate groups?
Is that your point?

Maybe you should read the OP so you understand the specific situation under discussion here.
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