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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2019, 11:58:24 pm »
Is civility a thing anymore?  Based on the behaviour of most posters on here, apparently not.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2019, 12:14:00 am »
While I agree with posters that the police should have done their job, however, the sanctimonious garbage from the posters criticizing the police is ridiculous because pride zealots got what they asked for which is a police free event. Classic example of "reaping what you sow".
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2019, 12:21:37 am »
LGBTQ2SIA+?  WTF?
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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2019, 01:09:39 am »
No.  The police should have done their job regardless.

Homophobic thugs fighting to tear down the black curtain protecting Pride Fest from hate signs and bigots. (And it did.)
I just saw on the news again the thug from Kitchener smashing two people in the head/face with a helmet.
Police have his name and several others ... 
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2019, 05:39:07 am »
The trans-anarchists are thugs too.  They're probably just mad that the yellow vest people kept them from their usual business like harrassing elderly lesbians or beating up "TERFs".   

You're making a jump in logic here.

"What if the trans activists were..."

Well, we don't know that.  We know the statements of the police representative quoted above, and that amounts to "we don't do our jobs if we're in a huff, sorry".  Should be fired, no other option.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2019, 05:41:00 am »
... pride zealots got what they asked for which is a police free event. Classic example of "reaping what you sow".

This is absolutely wrong, to my understanding:

There are 3 ways police appear at pride:

1) Off-hours out of uniform on their own time
2) On-hours, paid to keep the peace and do their jobs
3) Marching in the parade as ambassadors of police goodwill

My understanding is that 3) is the only presence that was rejected by organizers in various jurisdictions.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2019, 07:10:24 am »
3) Marching in the parade as ambassadors of police goodwill
But people who spit in the face of a police offering goodwill gestures have no business expecting police protection. They should get it anyways because the police have a job to do but I make no apologies for enjoying it when I see self absorbed jerks getting what they ask for.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2019, 08:14:42 am »
First of all they shouldn't expect it... But they should get it ?  Huh?

Secondly, the police March issue is symbolic and I would also say splits the LGBTQ+ community.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2019, 10:26:43 am »
On the other hand.

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Nuamah said Pride was "incredibly well looked after" by the Toronto Police Service during the weekend's festivities, which is why incidents did not spill into Pride events.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2019, 10:56:20 am »
LGBTQ2SIA+?  WTF?

Actually now in Canada it's 2SLGBTQQIA+.  "2S" is "two-spirited" for natives, and natives are at the top of the victim hierarchy in Canada so they get to be 1st in the acronym.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2019, 11:48:27 am »
Actually now in Canada it's 2SLGBTQQIA+.  "2S" is "two-spirited" for natives, and natives are at the top of the victim hierarchy in Canada so they get to be 1st in the acronym.

Acronym wars.
Frankly Scarlet, do you think anyone outside their world gives a crap about knowing what they are supposed to mean.

It would make a pretty secure password.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2019, 06:52:26 pm »
This is absolutely wrong, to my understanding:

There are 3 ways police appear at pride:

1) Off-hours out of uniform on their own time
2) On-hours, paid to keep the peace and do their jobs
3) Marching in the parade as ambassadors of police goodwill

My understanding is that 3) is the only presence that was rejected by organizers in various jurisdictions.

True, though not a parade here.

The issue was deployment of uniformed officers IN the designated festival area ('Permit area') of the park, which was not welcome, nor was a recruiting booth.

It's much smaller scale than Toronto, the 'permit area' a relatively small area with a stage, in a bigger park.
Organizers knew, and police did too - from recent years but certainly as of a Thursday meeting before the Saturday festival - that the area where police presence would be necessary would be where the religious bigots located themselves, somewhere on the fringes of the festival area.
Police were not there. Initially, there were just a few cruisers with officers all the way across the park, on the outer perimeter. Then more bigots, yellow vesters and hard line hate groups arrived from their rally at city hall, and along with them more police officers who then also just stayed by their cruisers far across the park.

The reverberations are still settling.

The violent haters are still not arrested.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2019, 07:07:09 pm »
While I agree with posters that the police should have done their job
I guess that's almost unanimous , then.
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however, the sanctimonious garbage from the posters criticizing the police is ridiculous because pride zealots
Pride zealots?
That's an ignorant thing to say.
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got what they asked for which is a police free event. Classic example of "reaping what you sow".
Not.
(See my post to Michael, that explains the arrangement of the park/festival/police.)

The cops talked that way too, repeating the Chief's dumbass childish hissy fit captured by CBC 'If we can't infiltrate your party, we're going to let the white supremacists beat the trannyanarchist people up. Na-na-na-na-na'

And that's exactly what police did.

Maybe they even suggested that the hate groups come to Gage Park from City Hall to beat up the trannies. Who knows!
It was a shameful display by police.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2019, 07:18:12 pm »
But people who spit in the face of a police offering goodwill gestures have no business expecting police protection. They should get it anyways because the police have a job to do but I make no apologies for enjoying it when I see self absorbed jerks getting what they ask for.
And ... police didn't do their job.

The rest is just bullying and hissy fits: Really not becoming to you, police officers, and certainly not to the Chief.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2019, 07:20:33 pm »
Is civility a thing anymore?  Based on the behaviour of most posters on here, apparently not.

I stand by my uncivil behaviour towards those who immediately begin whitewashing police and blaming Pride,  without knowing facts. It was meant to shake you up. Lol