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Offline Granny

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2019, 10:26:30 am »
And some (myself included) have argued that the history of police and the gay community (in Canada, the bath house raids of the early 1980s being the genesis of the pride movement) is a reason why the police *should* participate. In wake of the handling of the Bruce MacArthur investigation,  there may be a strong argument that they really haven't earned the trust of the gay community.

But Pride events aren't banning police participation because of historical reasons. They're doing it because of demands from anti-racism activists in regard to current issues. So the history of the police and the gay community is kind of beside the point of the current debate.

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In Toronto, perhaps.

In Hamilton, on duty police were not invited to attend Pride Fest in uniform because their presence was not welcome, for historical and present reasons of bigotry and harassment.

They were expected to provide policing services, but they refused.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2019, 10:43:14 am »
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/04/05/black-lives-matter-co-founder-tweets-about-killing-men-and-white-folks/

"Khogali asks Allah for strength “to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today"

Ya very scary. Lol

More examples, please.

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« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2019, 11:04:21 am »
"Khogali asks Allah for strength “to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today"

Ya very scary. Lol

If someone said "god give me the strength to not cuss/kill these women and black folks out here today"

or “give me the strength to not cuss/kill these LGBT folks out here today" would you have the same dismissive reaction?

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The asymmetry exists only because many people are willing for tolerate left wing hate speech more than they will tolerate right wing hate speech.

Point proven.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2019, 11:11:17 am »
From same BLM Toronto co-founder who helped stop the Pride parade a couple of years ago:

https://torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects/wcm/2748a714-f567-4344-8c08-decfe73d1e52

https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/4rnc4j/taken_from_one_of_the_heads_of_blm_toronto/

Inappropriate.
I'd certainly step away from her at a protest. Lol
But an isolated case.

Not on the scale of the alt-right hate groups, whose sole purpose is to incite hatred against racial, religious and gender minorities.
 
I'm waiting for TimG to post his examples.

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2019, 11:26:50 am »
If someone said "god give me the strength to not cuss/kill these women and black folks out here today"

or “give me the strength to not cuss/kill these LGBT folks out here today" would you have the same dismissive reaction?

I'm not interested in hypotheticals.
Real examples please.

Unfortunately, people say 'I'll kill you!' all the time, with only figurative meaning.


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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2019, 12:45:36 pm »
Same rules apply when left wing groups are upset that some right wing group has an event or a speaker.

I have yet to hear about a left wing group protest a valid right wing group, the only groups they protest are the NAZI fascists.

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« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2019, 01:09:01 pm »
I have yet to hear about a left wing group protest a valid right wing group, the only groups they protest are the NAZI fascists.
Impact's circular logic:
1) Define everyone who disagrees with progressive ideology as "nazis".
2) Declare that progressives only protest "nazis".

The overuse of the word "nazi" us a perfect example of progressive hate speech because you are using words to demonize people who you do not like.

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« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2019, 01:14:36 pm »
1) Define everyone who disagrees with progressive ideology as "nazis".

Where did I define everyone who disagrees with progressive ideology (whever the frig that means) as a NAZI? I disagree with a lot of people, Chris Christie is a perfect example. I would never however label him as a NAZI.

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« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2019, 01:18:36 pm »
Not on the scale of the alt-right hate groups, whose sole purpose is to incite hatred against racial, religious and gender minorities.
What I can't figure out is if you really lack the self aware to recognize the self service nonsense that you just served up or if you are aware but believe it serves a rhetorical purpose.

A little hint: alt-right groups, for the most part, adopt rhetoric which is the mirror image of various left wing identity groups. If you really want to argue that their sole purpose is to "incite hatred" against others then the same is true of any other identity based group that demand special treatment for their group (aboriginals looking to establish an apartheid state in Canada are an good example).


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« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2019, 01:28:26 pm »
What I can't figure out is if you really lack the self aware to recognize the self service nonsense that you just served up or if you are aware but believe it serves a rhetorical purpose.

A little hint: alt-right groups, for the most part, adopt rhetoric which is the mirror image of various left wing identity groups. If you really want to argue that their sole purpose is to "incite hatred" against others then the same is true of any other identity based group that demand special treatment for their group (aboriginals looking to establish an apartheid state in Canada are an good example).

You're coming off sounding like Trumps " Oh yeah there were good people of both sides" nonsense.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2019, 01:29:45 pm »
Where did I define everyone who disagrees with progressive ideology (whever the frig that means) as a NAZI? I disagree with a lot of people, Chris Christie is a perfect example. I would never however label him as a NAZI.
Probably because is viewed as a progressive by many:
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gov-christie-oks-law-give-schools-transgender-policy-guidance-n785961

Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have both been targeted by progressive protests claiming that are "nazis". The accusation is ridiculous but all too common.

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« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2019, 01:39:51 pm »
Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have both been targeted by progressive protests claiming that are "nazis". The accusation is ridiculous but all too common.

I wouldn't call Shapiro a NAZI. **** is a much better description. King of ad hominem, birther, conspiracy theorist, and racist. The only reason he doesn't get the NAZI label is his Jewish heritage, but in many other respects he fits the bill.
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« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2019, 01:50:27 pm »
Probably because is viewed as a progressive by many:
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gov-christie-oks-law-give-schools-transgender-policy-guidance-n785961

Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have both been targeted by progressive protests claiming that are "nazis". The accusation is ridiculous but all too common.

I suspect you are referring to one google employee, so yes you fulfill your own description of accusation.