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Offline Granny

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2019, 10:42:29 pm »
He does need a holiday.  Lol

One perp in custody.
The guy kicking people in the head when they're down ... he's Toronto's problem.
Preacher ... Servanthood group something?
Boots.

And this:

Day of Action Drop All Charges Against Pride Defenders!
Posted onJune 25, 2019Authornorthshore1 Comment

From The Tower fb page.

DROP ALL CHARGES AGAINST PRIDE DEFENDERS FREE CEDAR NOW!

We are calling for a day of autonomous action in support of those who are facing repression for defending themselves and others from far-right violence at Hamilton Pride.
This Friday, June 28th we are asking for people far and wide to show their support and solidarity by taking action where they live. Actions could include things like: banner drops, postering, rallies, or any number of other more creative endeavors ;)

If possible, it would be great if you could share it with us by sending a photo and/or a brief description to thetower@riseup.net. You could also post things yourself on north-shore.info and send us the link.
Please share widely!


Cedar Hopperton and two others arrested are on probation conditions, from the Locke St March
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9057925-hopperton-gets-jail-time-for-locke-street-vandalism/

Conditions include attending only peaceful protests.
Cedar was not at Gage Park Pride Fest, was later at a City Hall public meeting and called for the resignation of the Chief of Police, then handed out flyers after, where they were arrested by police on probation violation. Not.
But still in jail.
Two others turned themselves in for probation violation. (for company?)
All political.

Now the police finally caught a real criminal.
Christopher Vanderweide, Kitchener.
https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1140272182293127173

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2019, 12:39:30 am »
And ... police didn't do their job.

The rest is just bullying and hissy fits: Really not becoming to you, police officers, and certainly not to the Chief.

You're right, the police didn't do their job. They should be blamed, maybe even sued, and people suspended, even if the chief if need be.

This whole banning police from Pride thing needs to stop, it's been very unconstructive & divisive, it's made relations between LGBT and police far worse, and hasn't made anyone any safer.  I've never heard of incidents between police and LGBT or black LGBT at Pride events before all this controversy started.  It was a big party before all this nonsense happened.  I'm not going to blame what happened in Hamilton on Pride, because it is the police's fault for not doing their job, but maybe we can all realize that cops do bad things sometimes but are also a much-needed service, and it's better to build bridges than tear them down.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2019, 12:52:03 am »
I stand by my uncivil behaviour towards those who immediately begin whitewashing police and blaming Pride,  without knowing facts. It was meant to shake you up. Lol

Should we speak to each other like Trump does or like Obama does?  Should we behave like children when we're angry or like adults?  Should we have vile resentment & even hatred for those we disagree with, or treat them like human beings who deserve respect despite our differences?

How we decide to behave is what we'll end up teaching our children/grandchildren, and that's how they'll behave, & probably worse. We already have a generation of millennials where many are incapable of adults disagreements in academia, which supposed to be the HQ of adult conversations.  The breakdown in civility has led us to the state our society now finds itself in.
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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2019, 01:10:06 pm »
People don't put up with bullying, harassment and abuse anymore.

Says the hypocrite harassing me with verbal abuse:

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You've got some fucking nerve, you sanctimonious, smug, patronizing, boneheaded arsehole.
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If that's all you've got, likely best to just STFU.
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Who are you to tell Pride what they have to do, who they can invite? That's a big fuck you. You really are 'tone deaf'.
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That's another fuck you.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2019, 01:12:08 pm »
People don't put up with bullying, harassment and abuse anymore.

You've got some fucking nerve, you sanctimonious, smug, patronizing, boneheaded arsehole.

You're not helping police 'image'. 
If that's all you've got, likely best to just STFU.

You just made PG's point for him.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2019, 01:27:12 pm »
People don't put up with bullying, harassment and abuse anymore.

You've got some fucking nerve, you sanctimonious, smug, patronizing, boneheaded arsehole.

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« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2019, 01:48:28 pm »
Pride people were injured.
Police watched.

Police appear to be in support of the violent hate groups.

Previously, a young Muslim man died while being dismissed and denigrated by police and paramedics.

Those are very serious problems.

And you smug patronizing boneheaded arsehole apologists for prejudiced, retaliatory and punitive policing think it's more important to lecture me about my language?

Well ...
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2019, 02:10:07 pm »
This whole banning police from Pride thing needs to stop, it's been very unconstructive & divisive, it's made relations between LGBT and police far worse, and hasn't made anyone any safer.

That would be ignoring the long history of Pride in the first place. It was a protest movement against the police harassing the gay community. Should Confederate soldiers march in uniform at MLK day events?

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« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2019, 02:28:04 pm »
That would be ignoring the long history of Pride in the first place. It was a protest movement against the police harassing the gay community.

Yes that happened.  There's also some questions about police investigating the Bruce McArthur killings.

I assume it's also gay cops marching/dancing in the parade.  The question i'm asking is if the Pride ban is productive or counterproductive.  Whether they march or are banned, it's a largely symbolic gesture, it's not changing much on the ground, other than breeding more resentment.
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« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2019, 02:46:17 pm »
That would be ignoring the long history of Pride in the first place. It was a protest movement against the police harassing the gay community. Should Confederate soldiers march in uniform at MLK day events?

So when does it end? Your analogy is ridiculous.
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« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2019, 02:58:11 pm »
So when does it end? Your analogy is ridiculous.

Well, after the horrible showing of police in Hamilton recently it looks like it will be at least another 50 years.
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« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2019, 03:05:19 pm »
Yes that happened.  There's also some questions about police investigating the Bruce McArthur killings.

I assume it's also gay cops marching/dancing in the parade.  The question i'm asking is if the Pride ban is productive or counterproductive.  Whether they march or are banned, it's a largely symbolic gesture, it's not changing much on the ground, other than breeding more resentment.

Btw ... I'm not involved with Pride, wasn't there, don't have any input. I'm just an ally.
I went one year to try to help hide the Christian bigots' hateful sign. We couldn't. It was sickening seeing teens, families have to walk by those disgusting signs, having to see, hear and feel that hatred on their day of celebration.

Until now, I was pretty sure that police could put aside their personal "resentment" at not getting paid to attend a festival, and still do their jobs in a professional manner.
Shocking.
Very disturbing.
No, police can't be trusted to do their jobs impartially.

But the Pride community has always known that.

What is behind police motives that they won't just accept that they aren't invited? What other public employees are paid to participate in Pride Fest?
I just don't get that.

And the persistent bullying and pressure now seems quite sinister to me.

Harassment doesn't generally get you an invitation anywhere. Lol
And it does seem to be all about harassing the Pride community, certainly not protecting them, and it definitely isn't building good relations.

Police who choose to can attend Pride on their own time on their own dime, like anybody else.

If they're working, then they can police it in a professional, impartial manner.

Is that not the way it should be?
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« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2019, 03:06:53 pm »
Well, after the horrible showing of police in Hamilton recently it looks like it will be at least another 50 years.
So you are against all of the SJWs that use aggressive protesting as a means to shut down speakers who they disagree with? Or is this just another example of your double standards?

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« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2019, 03:24:49 pm »
Well, after the horrible showing of police in Hamilton recently it looks like it will be at least another 50 years.

Hamilton has issues but don't paint everyone with the same brush on either side. Our police force has been welcome at Fraser Valley Pride.
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #59 on: June 27, 2019, 05:05:47 pm »
So you are against all of the SJWs that use aggressive protesting as a means to shut down speakers who they disagree with? Or is this just another example of your double standards?

We all have freedom of speech.
We are free to speak back.
Free seech doesn't guarantee you an audience.
No 'audience' ever goes to hear hate groups.
People only go to oppose them, to drown them out.
They're just not very popular.
Nobody ever promised them an adoring audience.
People get booed off stages all the time.

This is not about that. Start another thread on 'free speech for white supremacists' ... or not ... but don't try to derail this one.

This thread is about blatant and violent hate crimes,  and biased policing.

This is about assaults, hate crimes, and police failure to intervene to prevent those hate crimes.
This is about not about speech, but assaults ... while police watched and intentionally failed to police ... on the Chief's orders, for biased and punitive reasons, openly stated.

This is about hate crimes and criminals, Christopher Vanderweide  Kitchener (2 counts, assault with a weapon).
John Mark Morelli, Toronto, kicks to the head, still not arrested.

Who polices the police, when they appear to be aiding and abetting hate crimes?

We do. The public does.
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