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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #180 on: July 25, 2019, 11:11:07 am »
Complaint alleges a Hamilton police officer at Pride said violence is 'not my problem'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/violence-hamilton-pride-complaint-1.5220932

Ontario's police watchdog is investigating allegations that a Hamilton police officer refused to address a woman's report about the violent altercation at Pride, saying it was "not my problem" because police "weren't invited to Pride."

The officer referenced Hamilton police not getting a recruitment booth at the Pride event, said Caitlin Edwards, who filed the complaint with the Office of the Independent Police Review Director (OIPRD). The office is now looking into it.
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Edwards said she got angry and started yelling at the officer that she wasn't doing her job. The officer yelled back, Edwards said.

"She kept saying, 'It's not our problem. We weren't given a recruit tent, we weren't invited, we're not moving," said Edwards.
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The OIPRD also could not comment on Edwards's complaint, but said it has received "multiple complaints" in relation to the Hamilton Pride event.
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Edwards said she couldn't understand why a uniformed police officer refused to address her report.

She was just a mom walking through a park who "saw a fight, told an officer," she said. "It just got so weird and so crazy with her telling me no."

'I don't trust the cops after what I saw'



I am very glad Ms. Edward's has come forward and submitted a complaint. The article said another person approaching police to ask assistance witnessed some of her interaction with police too.


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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #181 on: July 25, 2019, 09:24:34 pm »
Hamilton: tops in hate crime

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/hate-crime-statistics-canada-hamilton-1.5221663

WTF.  The town that is ramping up to become Toronto's arts exurb is also the hate capital ....

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #182 on: July 26, 2019, 08:28:12 pm »
Hamilton: tops in hate crime

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/hate-crime-statistics-canada-hamilton-1.5221663

WTF.  The town that is ramping up to become Toronto's arts exurb is also the hate capital ....
"arts exurb" ? That's a new one! Lol
Yes, we're the goto for flight-from-Toronto-housing-prices. They seem to like it here. They've got lots of opportunities to rebuild communities that still suffer from the flight-to-the-suburbs, and automation layoffs at the steel mills from the '80's. Huge impact. Ongoing.

I've lived in the downtown core (includes the waterfront) for 23 years, and not seen much racism. (Saw worse once on Yonge St in T.) But I wouldn't be the target, wouldn't know.

 We have some - ok a lot - ok you have to be - mischief-makers: I do think painting swastikas may often be more about hurting kids hurting others ... mischief-known-to-cause-drama. That did happen once nearby, and often on mosques and synagogues, once a Hindu Temple fire (thought they were Muslims).
I'd like to see the data on grafitti compared to verbal/physical assaults, etc.  Too lazy to look today, though. Lol

I believe we currently have some problems in local politics and policing that may be contributing to a perception that expressions of hatred won't be consequated, that hate speech is protected as free speech.

Of course, we do also have a fairly large contingent of low income white people who see little reason to believe that the system privileges them - mischief makers. They'll claim 'white pride' sometimes, just to keep up with/piss off  their black/Muslim buddies.  Lol 
 It's not the burbs down here.

But if you're straight with someone, they'll be straight with you. It's about who you prove yourself to be, not race, gender, etc.

I'll be curious to see whether the assaults on people at Pride Fest even get counted as hate crimes, since police Chief and Mayor are so adamant that it was all Pride's fault. (!!)  The only  one arrested is not even  charged for a hate crime. But those are the worst hate crime assaults I've heard of in Hamilton.

There's some gang stuff, but mostly they cooperate to  focus on profits, not racism. Street stuff ... there might be racist remarks sometimes, but somebody behaving badly can get called n***** even if he isn't black. Not an attack/ harassment because of race but because of  bad behaviour, but not acceptable either as it's still derogatory to Black people. (Tried explaining that to my young street homies ... aaaaarrrrgh!)

Unless you count hate crimes by police ... letting a young Muslim man die on the sidewalk because they 'assumed' he was a perp, but he was a victim who was shot trying to stop the perps from robbing an elderly man. Not ok to denigrate him and let him bleed to death anyway.

Racial profiling is an issue ... cops doing "street checks" - ie harassing - a black City Councillor.
Police Services Board always backs and excuses police, doesn't even pretend to provide civilian 'oversight'.

But I doubt the cops counted those as hate crimes by cop.

I think we have some biases at high levels ... and I think that attitude is filtering down.

I mean, ffs, the Mayor wouldn't talk seriously to the Pride Fest ctte about their concerns before Pride Fest. So the ctte said they didn't want the Pride flag-raising ceremony until he did address their concerns. He just put it up anyway.
(After the violent hate attacks at Pride Fest, some "bionic lesbians" and others climbed City Hall and took back the Pride flag that they had gifted to the city. Lol )

Police say the rate of reporting hate crimes is increasing because of the community outreach work they've been doing. Good so far ...

But ... I can't wait to hear the Police community spiel about reporting hate crimes against Trans people. <slight sarcasm>

To end on a lighter note ... in the north end, the Irish kids steal tomatoes from the Italians' gardens, and throw them at doors/windows. Quite disconcerting when I moved in. Police explained it to me.
Lol
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #183 on: July 28, 2019, 08:28:50 am »
I've lived in the downtown core (includes the waterfront) for 23 years, and not seen much racism. (Saw worse once on Yonge St in T.) But I wouldn't be the target, wouldn't know.

Wait.  I thought you were in IT and lived out West ?  Did I get you confused with someone ?

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I believe we currently have some problems in local politics and policing that may be contributing to a perception that expressions of hatred won't be consequated, that hate speech is protected as free speech.

Of course, we do also have a fairly large contingent of low income white people who see little reason to believe that the system privileges them - mischief makers. They'll claim 'white pride' sometimes, just to keep up with/piss off  their black/Muslim buddies.  Lol 
 It's not the burbs down here.

But if you're straight with someone, they'll be straight with you. It's about who you prove yourself to be, not race, gender, etc.

Straight ?   ???

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To end on a lighter note ... in the north end, the Irish kids steal tomatoes from the Italians' gardens, and throw them at doors/windows. Quite disconcerting when I moved in. Police explained it to me.
Lol

1930s problems...

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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #184 on: July 28, 2019, 01:33:53 pm »
Wait.  I thought you were in IT and lived out West ?  Did I get you confused with someone ?
Must have.
I'm a stats person (retired) in Ontario. Lol
(Lived out west for a while, decades ago.)
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Straight ?   ???
Ya, maybe a confusing choice of words, given the topic.lol  Not sure what today's slang is for ' be honest'.
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1930s problems...
Yes, kinda cute.

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« Reply #185 on: July 28, 2019, 01:44:36 pm »
Must have.
I'm a stats person (retired) in Ontario. Lol

You're a stats woman who is retired ?  I feel a budding crush coming on...

How old are you ?
Where/when did you graduate ?
What was your program ?

ha ha

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« Reply #186 on: July 28, 2019, 02:19:29 pm »
You're a stats woman who is retired ?  I feel a budding crush coming on...

How old are you ?
Where/when did you graduate ?
What was your program ?

ha ha

Sorry, no crushes allowed. Younger man with baby looking for another mommy? No thx. Lol
Actually ... gagmewithaspoonGROSS! Haha Haha!

How old am I ? Who the hell asks a woman that! Lol
Likewise any personal info.

But we can talk correlations and trend lines and scatter plots and all that sexy stuff. Lol 

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« Reply #187 on: July 28, 2019, 02:25:25 pm »
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« Reply #188 on: July 28, 2019, 02:27:37 pm »
<3 <3 <3

I'm old. I don't know what that means ... other than ...
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #189 on: July 28, 2019, 03:31:12 pm »
Saturday ... and the YellowVests&friends are back at City Hall, screened from the public and drowned out by a crowd of anti-hate Hamiltonians.
 
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9523271-hamilton-anti-hate-rally-as-long-as-they-re-still-here-we-need-to-be-here-/

Pro-diversity demonstrators waved signs at passing motorists and pedestrians outside city hall Saturday amid concerns about a rise in hate group activity in Hamilton.

The rally was an ongoing effort to drown out anti-immigration sentiment expressed by yellow-vest and alt-right protesters who have gathered in the Main Street West [CITY HALL] square for more than a year.


Nobody 'has to' see them or hear them. Lol
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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #190 on: July 28, 2019, 03:43:26 pm »
Who the hell asks a woman that!

I ask that all the time, right before how much do you weigh.

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« Reply #191 on: July 28, 2019, 03:50:41 pm »
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9523401-kitchener-man-charged-in-hamilton-pride-assault-skips-anti-bullying-rally-that-he-organized/?utm_source=twitter&source=thespec&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=300pm&utm_campaign_id=localnews&utm_content=kitchener-man-charged-in-hamilton-pride-assault-skips-anti-bullying-rally-that-he-organized

A Chris Vanderweide supporter holding a flag associated with a white nationalist group known as ID Canada faces off with counter-protester Woody Boychuk as police stand nearby. - David Bebee , Waterloo Region Record

Counter-protester Woody Boychuk, centre left, embraces a fellow demonstrator in front of Chris Vanderweide supporters and police at Kitchener City Hall. - David Bebee , Waterloo Region Record

KITCHENER The guy organized his own rally, but he never showed up.

Christopher Vanderweide of Kitchener had dubbed the event an "anti-bullying rally" at Kitchener City Hall on Saturday afternoon.


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Re: Hamilton Pride, Police Shame
« Reply #192 on: July 28, 2019, 03:52:23 pm »
I ask that all the time, right before how much do you weigh.

Charming.

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« Reply #193 on: July 28, 2019, 05:14:26 pm »
I'm old. I don't know what that means ... other than ...
 Lessthan3 Lessthan3 Lessthan3.

They are hearts.  When did you go to school ?  There's a small chance I know you !
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« Reply #194 on: July 28, 2019, 05:15:25 pm »
I ask that all the time, right before how much do you weigh.

Asking an online stranger a question is quite a different thing.