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Offline wilber

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2019, 09:05:49 pm »
They are talking though, I think.

Edited to add: Also - if black people don't trust the police, it's not the black people's problem to solve really.

Itís certainly at least partly their problem, unless you think every cop is a racist.
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« Reply #91 on: May 19, 2019, 09:09:58 pm »
Itís certainly at least partly their problem, unless you think every cop is a racist.

It's not their problem to solve, I will say again.  They don't seem to be protesting because they're arrested more often for crimes they committed.

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« Reply #92 on: May 19, 2019, 09:23:17 pm »
It's not their problem to solve, I will say again.  They don't seem to be protesting because they're arrested more often for crimes they committed.

Police tend to go where the crime is. Itís their job.
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« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2019, 03:35:39 am »
You seem to be asking what is 'ok' for protests.  Why don't you tell me what is 'ok' and whether your definition could have been used in the past to convince those opposed to past protests. 

Protest is fine and good.  But in the case of the Toronto parade, peaceful protest does not include physically stopping a parade and holding it hostage until someone agrees to your demands.  That would be disturbing the peace or some other such illegal act.  Protest is essentially an act of free speech, it doesn't include physical acts of coercion like physically blocking a parade.

In the case of Edmonton Pride, protest is fine but the whole issue here is if the protest demands are valid or not. 
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« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2019, 06:49:36 am »
Police tend to go where the crime is. Itís their job.

Hmmm.... I wonder why they're so upset then ?  i guess they are unreasonable people, huh ?  Good thing we don't pay attention to protestors.  Except those 200 people who drove to Ottawa in trucks and made the top of the CBC news because "Trudeau shut down the pipeline"

Now they had a point, right ?

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« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2019, 06:53:34 am »
Protest is fine and good.  But in the case of the Toronto parade, peaceful protest does not include physically stopping a parade and holding it hostage until someone agrees to your demands.  That would be disturbing the peace or some other such illegal act.  Protest is essentially an act of free speech, it doesn't include physical acts of coercion like physically blocking a parade.

Hmmm.   How much have you studied protest ?  It does include civil disobedience, and stopping people from everyday tasks yes.

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In the case of Edmonton Pride, protest is fine but the whole issue here is if the protest demands are valid or not.

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2019, 09:27:25 am »
Hmmm.... I wonder why they're so upset then ?  i guess they are unreasonable people, huh ?  Good thing we don't pay attention to protestors.  Except those 200 people who drove to Ottawa in trucks and made the top of the CBC news because "Trudeau shut down the pipeline"

Now they had a point, right ?

So is Pride a protest or a celebration? Make up your mind.
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« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2019, 09:29:18 am »
So is Pride a protest or a celebration? Make up your mind.

I didn't say anything about that, but to me it's a protest that turned to a celebration over time.

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« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2019, 09:30:50 am »
I didn't say anything about that, but to me it's a protest that turned to a celebration over time.

Well you seem conflicted.
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« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2019, 09:36:19 am »
Well you seem conflicted.

I don't think so.  Many protests and conflicts become celebrations... sometimes as a part of the reconciliation, healing or peace process.  Guy Fawkes day ?  Labour Day ?  May Day ?  Those come to mind.  Pride was almost an underground event in Toronto at its inception, in an era where homosexuality was equated to pedophilia, and the idea of 'normalizing' gayness was seen as the 'gay agenda' pushed by 'special interests'.

Now Trans people and people of colour are saying they have things they want us to pay attention to.  But god damn, my parade was delayed...

Look - I'm not saying that all their demands need to be met.  See the photo above, for an example of what 'demands' look like at the start of negotiations.  I personally think it's great when the cops have a presence, but the rift between them and black people needs to get looked at.  Maybe this can help.