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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2019, 11:31:25 pm »
Cops refuse to enforce the law unless absolutely forced to when natives are involved. This means a specific court order requiring them to act. There is no way such a order would be produced fast enough to prevent the event from being disrupted.

How did natives get involved in this?

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2019, 11:35:16 pm »
How did natives get involved in this?
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2019, 11:43:32 pm »
Why cancel the parade?  Why not just tell these peeps to go eff themselves if the demands were unreasonable?  Grow some balls LGBT!  Wait, I take that last one back..

Because they show up anyway and do their best to take over. Last year they blocked it for more than half an hour demanding the police be excluded. The organizers aren’t giving them that chance this year and everyone knows the reason why.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2019, 06:34:04 am »
Somebody needs to remind BLM that though police are not perfect and do some bad things sometimes to people of colour, they do a hell of a lot more good for them than harm.

I don't think that's a practical way to deal with protests of any kind.  It's a good way to fire them up, if that's what you want to do.

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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2019, 09:27:11 am »
I’m wondering how black people figure in police involved shootings in the Edmonton area. Toronto has a big issue but does that translate to the rest of the country? How do group’s economic status  figure into their violent crime rates? Police interactions with people who have substance abuse and mental health issues have also been steadily rising. How much do these local movements actually reflect local issues and how much is just jumping on a band wagon?
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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2019, 11:46:20 am »
The police are between a rock and a hard place. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Ineffective courts and spineless politicians have more to blame. Look at Vancouver 4-20. The organizers just take over over and trash public property with no permits, thumbing their nose at bylaws which are enforced for everyone else and the city won't stand up to them. The Pride organizers are complying with the law but it doesn't protect them from the actions of these fringe groups who try to kidnap the agenda.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2019, 01:39:27 pm »
years back, I used to regularly wander down to the west-end of VanCity during the parades - usually a hoot to watch... initially surprised by the corporate presence. Given the profile/presence, "the gays", have in VanCity I just never got it - why the need for a parade, particularly today as years march on?

you being the boards resident 'experimenting gay' (I kid, I kid), why the need for Pride Parades today? Can ya learn the waldo?

No this is not about you as much as you make every thread about you.  If you had any credibility you would direct your comments at Trudeau who attends every pride parade to pander for votes wearing he same pink shirt and white jeans. Not that you noticed.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2019, 03:40:29 pm »
I’m wondering how black people figure in police involved shootings in the Edmonton area. Toronto has a big issue but does that translate to the rest of the country?

Edmonton used to lead the country in gun violence for major cities. Toronto used to be behind other major cities, but unfortunately it has become the worst major city in the past year. They are still however behind many smaller centers.

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2019, 05:12:10 pm »
I don't think that's a practical way to deal with protests of any kind.  It's a good way to fire them up, if that's what you want to do.

Demanding that police are excluded from the parade is more than a protest though.

Tell me, are black people less safe or more safe if there are cops around?  They feel they are less safe.  Sometimes they are, but I'd bet it's actually quite the opposite.

Activists protested enough that they were able to remove police from schools in Toronto.  The data showed that the cops actually made the students more safe, but sometimes people care more about how they feel rather than the data.

Cops do bad things sometimes, they also need to be given credit where credit's due.  They easily one of the toughest jobs.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2019, 08:32:21 pm »
Edmonton used to lead the country in gun violence for major cities. Toronto used to be behind other major cities, but unfortunately it has become the worst major city in the past year. They are still however behind many smaller centers.

Yes, I was thinking specifically back people. The great majority of police shootings in Canada involve white people but considering they are a majority of the population, that should be expected but  of course it won't be uniform everywhere in the country.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2019, 08:37:07 pm »

Tell me, are black people less safe or more safe if there are cops around?  They feel they are less safe.  Sometimes they are, but I'd bet it's actually quite the opposite.
 

It's pretty hard to blame black people for this.  Groups are like that - they band together.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2019, 09:46:38 pm »
It's pretty hard to blame black people for this.  Groups are like that - they band together.

I'm not blaming black people for anything.  They have legit beefs with police.  I'm just saying they also need to have perspective.  Banning police from places black people go isn't the answer.  Those 2 communities need to come together more, not be more divided.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2019, 12:46:10 am »
Edmonton used to lead the country in gun violence for major cities. Toronto used to be behind other major cities, but unfortunately it has become the worst major city in the past year. They are still however behind many smaller centers.

Despite being one of Canada's most violent cities, Edmonton hasn't had the tension between black people and police that Toronto has had, mostly because Edmonton has a much smaller black community than Toronto, and hasn't historically had the black gang problems that Toronto has had. For Edmonton (and other prairie cities) the native community has been the epicenter of gang activity and a disproportionate share of violent crime.

I have no idea what this has to do with Pride.  The Edmonton Pride Festival Society was completely onboard with barring uniformed police and military personnel from the event. It was the Spaces Of Colour/RaricaNow letter of additional demands that caused the cancellation.

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2019, 02:37:03 am »
Somebody needs to remind BLM that though police are not perfect and do some bad things sometimes to people of colour, they do a hell of a lot more good for them than harm. For instance, young black men kill each other at extraordinarily high rates, and the only thing preventing all-out gang wars and uncontrollable street shootings in those communities are the cops who patrol those neighbourhoods.

Go to Jamaica or Trinidad or Haiti or the whole of sub-Saharan Africa and see what it's like to not have police enforcing the rule of law.

Cops are afraid of young black men, and young black men are afraid of cops.  Both have good reasons to be afraid.  But most cops are good people, and so are most young black men.  We need to end this dividing nonsense.

Bad cops put all cops at risk.

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2018/02/27/cop-charged-in-dafonte-miller-beating-accused-of-misleading-durham-investigators.html

In Falconer’s document, it’s alleged that Const. Theriault struck Miller with a metal pipe “no fewer than 10 times,” but that when Durham police arrived on scene both brothers reported that Miller had struck them repeatedly with the pipe.

The complaint went on to allege there was a “deliberate and intentional” effort by police to “conceal a crime by one of their own.” The complaint alleged that the brothers’ father, John Theriault — a Toronto police officer himself, who was working within Toronto police’s professional standards unit at the time — made attempts to conceal his sons’ alleged crimes.


Const. Theriault was not "afraid" of the two black kids walking down his street. Const. Theriault is just a violent lying racist CREEP whose actions were covered up by other police.

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"... police are not perfect and do some bad things sometimes to people of colour, they do a hell of a lot more good for them than harm ..."

Where does it say in police oaths of duty that 'more good than harm' is acceptable?

 
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2019, 02:58:18 am »

Const. Theriault was not "afraid" of the two black kids walking down his street. Const. Theriault is just a violent lying racist CREEP whose actions were covered up by other police.

What does this have to do with the Gay Pride festival being canceled?
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