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Offline Granny

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2019, 03:13:18 am »
I'm not blaming black people for anything.  They have legit beefs with police.  I'm just saying they also need to have perspective.  Banning police from places black people go isn't the answer.  Those 2 communities need to come together more, not be more divided.

Why do police want to wear uniforms? Are they on duty?
Are we paying them?

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2019, 03:19:54 am »
Why do police want to wear uniforms? Are they on duty?
Are we paying them?

Just like pretty much any large festival in a large city ( or any other public gathering for that matter), yes we need Police in society to keep the peace, and prevent anarchy.  Do you have a better idea?
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2019, 06:26:45 am »
Why do police want to wear uniforms? Are they on duty?
Are we paying them?

It's actually a wonderful healing to have the police take place in Pride Marches but there is a schism in that the Black LGBTQ Community doesn't trust them.  Let's afford the comfort of healing to them also.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2019, 02:57:13 pm »
It's actually a wonderful healing to have the police take place in Pride Marches but there is a schism in that the Black LGBTQ Community doesn't trust them.  Let's afford the comfort of healing to them also.

It isn't "healing" for anyone for them to be marching enmasse in their uniforms.
Why do they demand that?
Are they off duty?
Are we paying them?
For what?
Intimidation?
If they're trying to make a "healing" gesture, marching enmasse in their uniforms just isn't it.

What other public employees get paid to be in the Pride Parade representing their department?


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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2019, 03:38:21 pm »
The Edmonton Pride Festival Society was completely onboard with barring uniformed police and military personnel from the event. It was the Spaces Of Colour/RaricaNow letter of additional demands that caused the cancellation.

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Thanks, kimmy. That answers my question.

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2019, 06:18:19 pm »
Your statement ...
"... police are not perfect and do some bad things sometimes to people of colour, they do a hell of a lot more good for them than harm ..."

Where does it say in police oaths of duty that 'more good than harm' is acceptable?

It isn't acceptable and it isn't good enough, cops have a lot of problems with internal culture, they have a lot of problems in general, they do bad stuff all the time, there needs to be more training, more oversight etc.

A lot of the problem is that black people and cops don't understand each other, and when they interact it's usually when a crime has occurred, which isn't exactly a situation where it's easy to make friends and come together.  So when cops are on the beat and statistically a much higher % of young black black men and aboriginals are committing crimes they're investigating, some cops are going to start stereotyping or making assumptions about every young black male that isn't wearing a nice suit.

I'm saying maybe it would be better for these 2 groups to interact more in non-criminal ways.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2019, 06:21:37 pm »
It isn't "healing" for anyone for them to be marching enmasse in their uniforms.
Why do they demand that?
Are they off duty?
Are we paying them?

What other public employees get paid to be in the Pride Parade representing their department?

I mean ya good points.  I think being in uniform it's just easier for people to know they're cops?
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2019, 07:35:36 pm »
when they interact it's usually when a crime has occurred.

Not really.

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« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2019, 09:05:41 pm »
Not really.

When do you interact with the police?
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« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2019, 10:57:50 pm »
When do you interact with the police?
For most people it is probably nothing more than a traffic ticket.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2019, 11:26:40 pm »
I wish I had a copy of the "demands" of that fringe group. It is good for a laugh.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2019, 05:45:42 am »
1. It isn't "healing" for anyone for them to be marching enmasse in their uniforms.
2. Why do they demand that?  Are they off duty? Are we paying them?
 

1. Actually, the group who feels maligned can decide that, not us.
2. People hate hearing that they are less than perfect.

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2019, 08:45:39 am »
I mean ya good points.  I think being in uniform it's just easier for people to know they're cops?
Are they being paid while in uniform?

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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2019, 09:02:39 am »
Are they being paid while in uniform?


That would depend on whether they are part of the group assigned to policing the event.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2019, 02:01:40 pm »
When do you interact with the police?

Whenever you are "in the wrong place". Of course that means different things based on the clothes you wear, the color of your skin, your age, etc. No crime need be involved, just a cop deciding to harass you.