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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2019, 05:05:57 pm »
I didnít say that.

Ok - what's the back of the line then ?

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2019, 06:20:03 pm »
Ok - what's the back of the line then ?

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2019, 07:29:31 pm »
Read Demand #1

Ok, I did.  It seems unreasonable to me but I'll leave it at that.

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2019, 07:33:26 pm »
Ok, I did.  It seems unreasonable to me but I'll leave it at that.

I just think the organizers decided they weren't going to be held hostage and pay these people just so they could be their flunkies. Don't blame them a bit.
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2019, 09:23:57 pm »
Ok - what's the back of the line then ?

"Parade" to be replaced by a protest designed by Spaces Of Colour and RaricaNOW.
QTBIPOC and trans people to lead said protest, followed by white cis people.
QTBIPOC and trans people to lead a vigil for slain LGBT people, followed by white cis people.
QTBIPOC and trans events receive the front four pages of the Pride program; white cis people at the back.
A no-whites-allowed dance party.

All of that sounds pretty "back of the line" to me.

Shades Of Colour and RaricaNOW demanded pretty much complete control over the whole event, right down to deciding who can or can't be in the parade. But they still wanted to use Pride funds and Pride volunteers to do it.   And that's not even mentioning the financial demands.

Last week EPFS was supposed to meet with a handful of representatives from the two organizations to discuss funding for more non-white and trans events at Pride. Instead, SoC and RaricaNow brought 30 activists into the office and the police had to be called. It's brazen intimidation. It's bullying. Now that the whole event has been cancelled, the SoW guy says "this is a tragedy, we never wanted the event to be cancelled, we wanted to work with EPFS to improve the event, we used the language of demands but we were always open to negotiating."   That's bullshit.  Bringing 30 activists to what was supposed to be a meeting between a handful of people isn't negotiation, it's intimidation. 

If SoC wants a no-whites-allowed dance party, why don't they go start their own?

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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2019, 09:25:10 pm »
These BLM types are taking advantage of white guilt to do these sorts of interruptions, and the organizers are cowards to stand up to these bullies.  Peaceful protests are legal.  Protests that disturb the peace are illegal, and the protestors should leave or be arrested.  Full stop.  You can't hijack and keep hostage a parade for your protest.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2019, 09:29:52 pm »
I've never been to one of these things, and never will, but I'm actually kind of glad that they decided to just pull the plug on it.

No, what the organizers should have done is tell them to go eff themselves with any "demands".  Nobody is in any position to make "demands" on anyone else.  Then invite BLM to have a reasonable discussion where they can make "requests" in a respectful manner, and then the organizers can consider the reasonable "requests" and for the unreasonable ones tell them "no".
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2019, 09:32:36 pm »
These BLM types are taking advantage of white guilt to do these sorts of interruptions, and the organizers are cowards to stand up to these bullies.  Peaceful protests are legal.  Protests that disturb the peace are illegal, and the protestors should leave or be arrested.  Full stop.  You can't hijack and keep hostage a parade for your protest.

I think the organizers did the right thing. These folks would just try and take over on the day like they did last year. The organizers just cut that forum out from underneath them. Now they might understand blackmail isn't going to work, it will just **** off all those who enjoy these festivals and turn the general public against them. Hopefully this year is a one off and people will be more reasonable in future.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2019, 09:32:53 pm »
Demand from their list;

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- Finally, End Pride in the Park with a vigil to honour the lives of LGBTIQ2S+ activists and community members that were lost due to
systemic oppression including transphobia, racism, classism, capitalism, etc.

Capitalism?!  :D :D :D
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2019, 09:43:42 pm »
Somebody needs to remind BLM that though police are not perfect and do some bad things sometimes to people of colour, they do a hell of a lot more good for them than harm. For instance, young black men kill each other at extraordinarily high rates, and the only thing preventing all-out gang wars and uncontrollable street shootings in those communities are the cops who patrol those neighbourhoods.

Go to Jamaica or Trinidad or Haiti or the whole of sub-Saharan Africa and see what it's like to not have police enforcing the rule of law.

Cops are afraid of young black men, and young black men are afraid of cops.  Both have good reasons to be afraid.  But most cops are good people, and so are most young black men.  We need to end this dividing nonsense.
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2019, 09:49:38 pm »
I just think the organizers decided they weren't going to be held hostage and pay these people just so they could be their flunkies. Don't blame them a bit.

Why cancel the parade?  Why not just tell these peeps to go eff themselves if the demands were unreasonable?  Grow some balls LGBT!  Wait, I take that last one back..
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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2019, 10:03:52 pm »
I think the organizers did the right thing. These folks would just try and take over on the day like they did last year. The organizers just cut that forum out from underneath them. Now they might understand blackmail isn't going to work, it will just **** off all those who enjoy these festivals and turn the general public against them. Hopefully this year is a one off and people will be more reasonable in future.

If any group wants to disrupt a parade that has legal permits etc, that would be disturbing the peace, and they should be arrested if they don't leave.  Yes, by the cops.

If some Christian group interrupted and hijacked the Santa Claus parade in protest, what would happen?  They'd be hauled off by the cops.  Grow some balls, enforce the laws.  Never let bullies win, or they will keep bullying.  And certainly don't let them ruin the party for everyone else when they have a tantrum that they didn't get their way.  The parents of millennials shouldn't have spoiled their children rotten and refused to say "no" to these little twerps.
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Re: Edmonton Pride Festival 2019 canceled.
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2019, 10:29:51 pm »
Why cancel the parade?  Why not just tell these peeps to go eff themselves if the demands were unreasonable?  Grow some balls LGBT!  Wait, I take that last one back..
Actually, I think that was the smartest play. If they simply rejected the demands these a-holes would have used it an excuse to shut down the parade. By cancelling it the a-holes lose their platform and they get blamed for it.

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2019, 10:32:20 pm »
Actually, I think that was the smartest play. If they simply rejected the demands these a-holes would have used it an excuse to shut down the parade. By cancelling it the a-holes lose their platform and they get blamed for it.

Yeah true enough.  We can see them back-peddling.  Honestly, I shouldn't really care since this isn't my community, let them fight amongst themselves. I've got better things to worry about lol.
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« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2019, 10:32:34 pm »
If any group wants to disrupt a parade that has legal permits etc, that would be disturbing the peace, and they should be arrested if they don't leave.  Yes, by the cops.
Cops refuse to enforce the law unless absolutely forced to when natives are involved. This means a specific court order requiring them to act. There is no way such a order would be produced fast enough to prevent the event from being disrupted.