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Re: Doug Ford Helps the Poor
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2018, 11:19:52 am »
Holy fuck.

You know, poor people would pay more taxes if they had more money.  FUCK. It's not complicated.

So your position is 80% of the population is poor? Have I got that right? 80% of the population is too poor to pay taxes on the government services they love so much. They can, of course, afford cars, mortgages, cell phones, video games and players, big screen TVs, laptops, high speed internet,  trips down south every year and all the rest, but taxes are just too fucking hard on them.

Your indignation at the thought anyone but 'rich' people should perhaps contribute to the state which so many of you want to step in to take care of every single problem in life is an indication of the socialist mentality you've grown up with. Hate the rich. Love the poor. Bring in more poor and love them more, and hate anyone who has more than we do. And after we make the rich pay more we'll sneer at them and call them names and hate them some more for being better off than us. Meanwhile we'll enjoy all the things the state provides that we don't pay for, and feel incredible noble about our generosity in giving money we don't own and didn't make to the poor.
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2018, 11:23:50 am »
So there's this club. It has 1000 members, but only 200 pay membership fees. The rest are basically there because the 200 are generous. The 200 pay all the bills through their membership fees. Then there's a meeting and lots of people (who pay no membership fee) start demanding that the club buy new giant flat screens. When it's pointed out the club is actually having to borrow money to pay for stuff as it is they just suggest the membership fees be increased.

Of course when those who actually pay for the already high membership fees protest the ones proposing the new stuff are outraged and accuse them of being greedy and immoral for not wanting to pay higher fees so they can enjoy the new flat screens. Damn those fee-paying members for their greed! Power to the (non fee-paying) members!
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2018, 11:48:08 am »
So there's this club. It has 1000 members, but only 200 pay membership fees. The rest are basically there because the 200 are generous. The 200 pay all the bills through their membership fees. Then there's a meeting and lots of people (who pay no membership fee) start demanding that the club buy new giant flat screens. When it's pointed out the club is actually having to borrow money to pay for stuff as it is they just suggest the membership fees be increased.

Of course when those who actually pay for the already high membership fees protest the ones proposing the new stuff are outraged and accuse them of being greedy and immoral for not wanting to pay higher fees so they can enjoy the new flat screens. Damn those fee-paying members for their greed! Power to the (non fee-paying) members!

Obviously your "club" has nothing to do with Canadian taxpayers or the bill payers would equal 670 members.

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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2018, 11:51:41 am »
Obviously your "club" has nothing to do with Canadian taxpayers or the bill payers would equal 670 members.

If 87% of the taxes are paid by 20% of people in the US I'm assuming it's more like 90% here. So the 200 pay 90% and then another 10% is shared among, maybe another 100-150. But those people pay tiny membership fees in comparison.

The non-fee paying members are pretty classless to demand a rate increase from the fee-paying members to pay for their goodies. I mean, talk about gall!
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2018, 11:57:06 am »
If 87% of the taxes are paid by 20% of people in the US I'm assuming it's more like 90% here. So the 200 pay 90% and then another 10% is shared among, maybe another 100-150. But those people pay tiny membership fees in comparison.

The non-fee paying members are pretty classless to demand a rate increase from the fee-paying members to pay for their goodies. I mean, talk about gall!

Yes it's a sliding scale, the more you make the more you pay. The amount of "club members" who pay no "membership" fees in Canada is ~33%

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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2018, 11:59:01 am »
I'm assuming
This is why so many of your arguments fail; you substituye assumptions for facts.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2018, 01:57:43 pm »
I have decided to mend my ways. Fuck the poor, they only exist in order to make my life easier.
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2018, 02:26:15 pm »
Yes it's a sliding scale, the more you make the more you pay. The amount of "club members" who pay no "membership" fees in Canada is ~33%
Considering 50% of Canadians have a personal income at or below $32000 this is hardly surprising.

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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2018, 02:34:19 pm »
This is why so many of your arguments fail; you substituye assumptions for facts.

That would be an entirely valid point if it were put honestly. Unfortunately, as is your habit, it was NOT. Which is why you cut off the quote mid-sentence.

To 'assume' that our tax system is at least as progressive as the US and probably a little more, is hardly a journey into wild assed guessing.
Is it your belief our income taxes are LESS progressive than that in the US? Because that is the only case in which you might have a point to make here.

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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2018, 02:43:31 pm »
I have decided to mend my ways. Fuck the poor, they only exist in order to make my life easier.

You associate an opinion different from yours as somehow vindictive or cruel or hateful to 'the poor' when all we are doing is discussing which economic and tax system is better for the country - including the poor.

My issue with the taxation system is and always has been my doubt as to what the progressive taxation system does and will do to society and good governance. No, I don't like paying high taxes, of course. But I agree that taxes are the price paid for civilization. What I do resent is the suggestion from idiot progressives (and by the way, I feel the adjective is probably unnecessary as being a progressive pretty much confirms that you're an idiot) that my money belongs to society, that I didn't earn it, and that any hesitation I have in approving yet higher taxes on me is offensive as it demonstrates how greedy I am in holding back money which they feel should go to 'the poor'.

No taxation without representation was a splenditly logical complaint of the American revolutionaries. But no one considered representation without taxation. And as I have repeatedly pointed out, this leads to people voting in politicians who want to continue to grow government without regard to the expense since they don't need to pay for any of it.

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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2018, 02:44:10 pm »
Considering 50% of Canadians have a personal income at or below $32000 this is hardly surprising.

Yeas, and I was just trying to get sir argus a bit closer to the facts.

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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2018, 03:01:41 pm »
idiot progressives (and by the way, I feel the adjective is probably unnecessary as being a progressive pretty much confirms that you're an idiot)

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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2018, 03:07:37 pm »
You or SJ?

Well I didn't write a long dissertation

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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2018, 03:09:00 pm »
The problem with you idiot progressives is you make everything into a ridiculous moral argument when all we're doing here is theorycrafting economics  and politics which none of us has any say in anyway. You associate an opinion different from yours as somehow vindictive or cruel or hateful to 'the poor' when all we are doing is discussing which economic and tax system is better for the country - including the poor.

My issue with the taxation system is and always has been my doubt as to what the progressive taxation system does and will do to society and good governance. No, I don't like paying high taxes, of course. But I agree that taxes are the price paid for civilization. What I do resent is the suggestion from idiot progressives (and by the way, I feel the adjective is probably unnecessary as being a progressive pretty much confirms that you're an idiot) that my money belongs to society, that I didn't earn it, and that any hesitation I have in approving yet higher taxes on me is offensive as it demonstrates how greedy I am in holding back money which they feel should go to 'the poor'.

No taxation without representation was a splenditly logical complaint of the American revolutionaries. But no one considered representation without taxation. And as I have repeatedly pointed out, this leads to people voting in politicians who want to continue to grow government without regard to the expense since they don't need to pay for any of it.

"Idiot" is actually a noun. I thought all non idiots knew that. Psst-the adjective you were looking for is "idiotic"
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