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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #225 on: September 06, 2018, 09:50:24 pm »
That graph is derived from the FOI PDF I linked to earlier, as the article explains. And as the article explains, it shows the exact opposite of what Mark Huckabee-Saunders claims is happening. The Toronto PD's own figures disprove their claim of a 'surge'.

didn't you say earlier that Saunders said something like 50% of Toronto crime guns come from inside Canada?  Isn't that what that graph i posted shows?
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« Reply #226 on: September 06, 2018, 09:53:22 pm »
Ha ha, do I detect a Wayne La Pierre NRA type paranoia comment here with the suggestion that controlling access to guns is leading to a police state? If you need or want to own a gun, prove that you are worthy of that right, or else stay the **** out of my neighborhood.

Ha ha, if the case for a national handgun ban is so compelling, why does Mark Huckabee-Saunders have to lie about the statistics?

Ha ha, we already have a system where people who want to own firearms have to go through comprehensive screening.

Ha ha, referring to the NRA every time someone challenges the rhetoric emanating from gun control advocates just makes you look like a tool.

Ha ha, you don't mind Mark Huckabee-Saunders presenting fake news to advance a political agenda if it's a political agenda you agree with.

Ha ha, you never fail to meet expectations.

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #227 on: September 06, 2018, 09:55:51 pm »
didn't you say earlier that Saunders said something like 50% of Toronto crime guns come from inside Canada?  Isn't that what that graph i posted shows?

No, it doesn't show that. Not even remotely.

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« Reply #228 on: September 06, 2018, 10:01:45 pm »
I'm not familiar with that guy.  If you were a police officer, would you want more or less people with legal access to guns?

I agree totally.  Guns should be highly regulated.  There's not many good reasons anyways why someone should have a gun unless they hunt or live rurally, so i'm not even against an urban ban on handguns or a full ban except in particular circumstances, it's just not going to solve the problem (would help it).

He currently is in charge of the NRA and he is a nutbar IMO. And if I was a cop I would at least like to know that anybody who had a gun proved themselves worthy and also that if I were responding to something like let's say a domestic dispute issue that I could look up if there were guns in that house.

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« Reply #229 on: September 06, 2018, 10:06:56 pm »
Ha ha, if the case for a national handgun ban is so compelling, why does Mark Huckabee-Saunders have to lie about the statistics?

Ha ha, we already have a system where people who want to own firearms have to go through comprehensive screening.

Ha ha, referring to the NRA every time someone challenges the rhetoric emanating from gun control advocates just makes you look like a tool.

Ha ha, you don't mind Mark Huckabee-Saunders presenting fake news to advance a political agenda if it's a political agenda you agree with.

Ha ha, you never fail to meet expectations.


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nd I wouldn't doubt you support the NRA, speaking of tools.

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« Reply #230 on: September 06, 2018, 10:17:52 pm »
nd I wouldn't doubt you support the NRA, speaking of tools.

I don't support the NRA. I think it is hilarious that you can't respond to criticisms of gun control rhetoric without bringing up the big scary NRA boogeyman. Why is that? You apparently don't have any real arguments. Like you don't have any real arguments about birfh-tourism so you start ranting about firing squads. Why do you support Mark Huckabee-Saunders lying to people?

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« Reply #231 on: September 06, 2018, 10:31:11 pm »
I don't support the NRA. I think it is hilarious that you can't respond to criticisms of gun control rhetoric without bringing up the big scary NRA boogeyman. Why is that? You apparently don't have any real arguments. Like you don't have any real arguments about birfh-tourism so you start ranting about firing squads. Why do you support Mark Huckabee-Saunders lying to people?

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I certainly have responded to gun control "rhetoric" as you call it w/o the scary nra by simply suggesting I agree with regulations that hopefully keep us from falling down the US shytehole. (Have a look at the applicable stats)
What real arguments do you have about birth tourism beyond tempest in a teapot?

P.S. try to understand the "firing squad" comment in the context it was posted. Look up simile as a project.

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #232 on: September 06, 2018, 11:17:07 pm »
I certainly have responded to gun control "rhetoric" as you call it w/o the scary nra by simply suggesting I agree with regulations that hopefully keep us from falling down the US shytehole. (Have a look at the applicable stats)

We already have laws to keep us from becoming a "US shytehole".

I've pointed out that Mark Saunders and the Toronto PD have been caught in a lie, and your response is to accuse me of being a Wayne Lapierre type NRA supporter.  Clearly you're trying to deflect away from the real issue, which is that this "surge" in Canadian straw-buying is a lie. Why are you trying to deflect away from that issue?   Why do you support Mark Saunders spreading fake news?  The Toronto PD have used the national media to spread a narrative that their own statistics prove to be false. Why do you accept that? Why are you okay with fake news being used to advance a political agenda? 

What real arguments do you have about birth tourism beyond tempest in a teapot?

P.S. try to understand the "firing squad" comment in the context it was posted. Look up simile as a project.

I read it in context. It was completely retarded in context. That thread is ongoing, let's continue there.

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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #233 on: September 07, 2018, 05:18:22 am »
we already have a system where people who want to own firearms have to go through comprehensive screening.
 

Bingo.  Yes we have this, and lower gun crime.  I think a Canadian approach might be in order.  They have done crackdowns before, why not again ?

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« Reply #234 on: September 08, 2018, 02:20:48 am »
I don't support the NRA. I think it is hilarious that you can't respond to criticisms of gun control rhetoric without bringing up the big scary NRA boogeyman. Why is that? You apparently don't have any real arguments. Like you don't have any real arguments about birfh-tourism so you start ranting about firing squads. Why do you support Mark Huckabee-Saunders lying to people?

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Do the three amigos ever actually argue on point or isn't always tangential to the point? It's his M.O. Brings the forum down, any forum, under any pseudonym.

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« Reply #235 on: September 08, 2018, 02:43:26 am »
Bingo.  Yes we have this, and lower gun crime.  I think a Canadian approach might be in order.  They have done crackdowns before, why not again ?

So, every couple decades we have a "crackdown", usually not supported by any real statistics, certainly none that prove the crackdown was effective at reducing gun crime beyond the back ground rate of reduction that we have been seeing for many decades now, and you feel that we should continue to have more crackdowns?

The Toronto PD found to be making **** up and your response is well, lets be 'Canadian' and do it anyway?  Well, maybe most Canadians really are that stupid, maybe that's why we have liberal governments more often than not, but this particular lie certainly isn't subtle, I just have to wonder how stupid you really need to be in order to want to act upon it regardless?

Fact based thinking.  Anyway, the end goal for some is to obviously to ban firearms outright, and they don't care what lies they have to tell to do it.

Then again, maybe we really should do something about the near daily rural Canadian handgun shooting sprees, those redneck farmers are out of control, what does a kilo of pure prairie white gold go for nowadays anyway? a couple bucks? sheesh, it's no wonder there's blood on the grid roads. Or maybe it's just the widespread mental illness derived from too much open space and fresh air.  I mean you hear about that all the time, but it's hard to know for sure as they usually kill themselves before every seeing a doctor, yea, it's got to be that.

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #236 on: September 08, 2018, 06:39:30 am »
So, every couple decades we have a "crackdown", usually not supported by any real statistics, certainly none that prove the crackdown was effective at reducing gun crime beyond the back ground rate of reduction that we have been seeing for many decades now, and you feel that we should continue to have more crackdowns?

You seem to have more information than me.  We had a series of raids after the summer of the gun that took criminals off the streets while awaiting trial:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/highly-publicized-2005-gang-sweep-nets-few-convictions-1.749253

What you talking about from decades ago I don't know.

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The Toronto PD found to be making **** up and your response is well, lets be 'Canadian' and do it anyway?  Well, maybe most Canadians really are that stupid, maybe that's why we have liberal governments more often than not, but this particular lie certainly isn't subtle, I just have to wonder how stupid you really need to be in order to want to act upon it regardless?

Which lie ?  What stupidity ?

The rest of your post is a ramble.

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #237 on: September 08, 2018, 01:11:00 pm »
Which lie ?  What stupidity ?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4428617/matt-gurney-toronto-gun-crime-statistics/

The big big fake fake lies emanating from the Toronto PD.  The claim that the percentage of crime-guns that are domestically sourced has surged in the past couple of years. The claim that 50% of guns used in crimes in Toronto can be traced back to legal gun owners.

This big big fake fake lie circulated by the Toronto PD has been seized upon by politicians as a justification for a national ban on handguns.  It has been circulated all over the place and has been accepted as fact.  But it's just a big big fake fake lie.  Obviously this was done to advance a political agenda.

I am all for "evidence-based decision making", provided that people stop trying to manufacture evidence.

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #238 on: September 19, 2018, 08:12:17 am »

Which lie ?  What stupidity ?

The rest of your post is a ramble.

I see you failed to respond again after it was proven how willfully uninformed you are, as for the ramble, it's exactly the sort of mockery you deserve.

Yea, I know, it's people like you who know the least about guns who should get to decide.  Surely.

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #239 on: September 19, 2018, 03:02:25 pm »
Yea, I know, it's people like you who know the least about guns who should get to decide.  Surely.

Everyone gets a say...  pacifists and gun-nuts alike.