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« Reply #165 on: July 30, 2018, 09:49:12 pm »
Obviously.  But what is the compelling argument that taking guns out of my safe in backwoods BC will stop Toronto gang members from shooting each other?

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If I live down the road from you in backwoods BC or in downtown TO, I want to have confidence you are competent to own those guns.

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« Reply #166 on: July 30, 2018, 10:33:23 pm »
If I live down the road from you in backwoods BC or in downtown TO, I want to have confidence you are competent to own those guns.

And we have a comprehensive licensing process to certify that I'm competent to own guns.  That's not what Toronto is demanding from the federal government.  What Toronto is demanding from the federal government is that handguns and semi-automatic long-guns be banned nationwide.

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« Reply #167 on: July 30, 2018, 10:36:59 pm »
And we have a comprehensive licensing process to certify that I'm competent to own guns.  That's not what Toronto is demanding from the federal government.  What Toronto is demanding from the federal government is that handguns and semi-automatic long-guns be banned nationwide.

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And who really needs a handgun or especially a semi automatic rifle? Only time I have ever packed either was in war zones. Hopefully downtown TO hasn't risen to that level.

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« Reply #168 on: July 30, 2018, 10:55:56 pm »
And who really needs a handgun or especially a semi automatic rifle? Only time I have ever packed either was in war zones. Hopefully downtown TO hasn't risen to that level.

Quite moving the goalposts.

Who is Kristyn Wong-Tam, or the rest of Toronto City Council, to decide what I do or don't get to own?

If you or Kristyn or Ralph Goodale feel like the police need to confiscate my stuff, make a compelling argument why it's going to make life safer.  I don't hear any compelling argument, I just hear a bunch of emotional reaction that "we need to do SOMETHING!"

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« Reply #169 on: July 30, 2018, 11:07:11 pm »
Quite moving the goalposts.

Who is Kristyn Wong-Tam, or the rest of Toronto City Council, to decide what I do or don't get to own?

If you or Kristyn or Ralph Goodale feel like the police need to confiscate my stuff, make a compelling argument why it's going to make life safer.  I don't hear any compelling argument, I just hear a bunch of emotional reaction that "we need to do SOMETHING!"

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I guess when it comes to issues like deadly weapons access to such needs to be more scrutinized than simply allowing every individual to own whatever they want. Perhaps if you lived on or near the Danforth you might just be thinking we need to do something.

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« Reply #170 on: July 31, 2018, 12:49:00 am »
I guess when it comes to issues like deadly weapons access to such needs to be more scrutinized than simply allowing every individual to own whatever they want.

We have a licensing process that does exactly that.

Perhaps if you lived on or near the Danforth you might just be thinking we need to do something.

And this is just an appeal to sheer emotionalism.

Wind the clock back a year to when Abdulahi Sharif took a rental truck and tried to run down people on Jasper Avenue in Edmonton.   If I'd told you "AAAHHHH WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ISLAMS!!!" you'd probably say something like "look, I understand that this is upsetting, but we have to think about this rationally," right?

And if I responded "maybe you don't care because you don't live there, but I used to walk up and down Jasper Avenue all the time!!!" you'd probably point out that like having a personal connection to the area of the attack doesn't actually make my opinion more valuable, right?



The fact is that I *don't* live near Danforth.  I live thousands of kilometers away. And confiscating my **** does literally nothing to make Toronto residents safer.


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« Reply #171 on: July 31, 2018, 12:57:04 am »
We have a licensing process that does exactly that.

And this is just an appeal to sheer emotionalism.

Wind the clock back a year to when Abdulahi Sharif took a rental truck and tried to run down people on Jasper Avenue in Edmonton.   If I'd told you "AAAHHHH WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ISLAMS!!!" you'd probably say something like "look, I understand that this is upsetting, but we have to think about this rationally," right?

And if I responded "maybe you don't care because you don't live there, but I used to walk up and down Jasper Avenue all the time!!!" you'd probably point out that like having a personal connection to the area of the attack doesn't actually make my opinion more valuable, right?



The fact is that I *don't* live near Danforth.  I live thousands of kilometers away. And confiscating my **** does literally nothing to make Toronto residents safer.


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Ah, don't waste time putting words in my mouth, you just look silly. And I also live thousands of km's from the Danforth. And I'm not suggesting confiscating "your ****" just suggesting we keep a close watch on who/why they want to have that ****.

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« Reply #172 on: July 31, 2018, 01:12:14 am »
Ah, don't waste time putting words in my mouth, you just look silly. And I also live thousands of km's from the Danforth. And I'm not suggesting confiscating "your ****" just suggesting we keep a close watch on who/why they want to have that ****.

Well Toronto city council are certainly suggesting confiscating my ****, and the federal government is reportedly giving serious consideration to their demands.

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« Reply #173 on: July 31, 2018, 01:22:01 am »
Reminder that the reason Toronto is up in arms this time is that the victims are "Reese" and "Julianna" instead of "Shaquille" and "Jehvante".

The last time Toronto was this concerned about gun violence was in 2005 when the victim was Jane Creba, who (spoiler alert) looked a whole lot more like Reese than Jehvante.


The truth of the matter is that the shootings of Reese and Julianna and Jane Creba are extreme anomalies, and that the shootings of Shaquille and Jehvante are, sadly, not anomalies.  Instead of demanding that property be confiscated from people in all parts of the country, maybe the cowards at Toronto city hall should be focused on measures particular to the circumstances of people like Shaquille and Jehvante.



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« Reply #174 on: July 31, 2018, 01:25:45 am »
Well Toronto city council are certainly suggesting confiscating my ****, and the federal government is reportedly giving serious consideration to their demands.

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No they are not. They want to restrict the sale of hand guns within the city, that's a lot different. The irony is if you think you need a hand gun in TO it's probably because you feel you need it for protection against other with such guns. I don't think you should go hunting partridges on Yonge street with a .38. do you?

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« Reply #175 on: July 31, 2018, 01:32:22 am »
No they are not. They want to restrict the sale of hand guns within the city, that's a lot different. The irony is if you think you need a hand gun in TO it's probably because you feel you need it for protection against other with such guns. I don't think you should go hunting partridges on Yonge street with a .38. do you?

Read the **** resolutions they passed last week.  They are, absolutely, demanding a national ban on handguns and semi-automatic long guns.  Read their **** resolutions.
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« Reply #176 on: July 31, 2018, 01:35:42 am »
Read the **** resolutions they passed last week.  They are, absolutely, demanding a national ban on handguns and semi-automatic long guns.  Read their **** resolutions.

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Read the **** big print in the headline.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-city-council-danforth-shooting-1.4760358

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #177 on: July 31, 2018, 01:57:08 am »

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Wong-Tam‘s motion calling for a national ban on civilian ownership of handguns and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns passed by 40 votes to 5.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4351972/toronto-council-gun-motion/


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Ergo the handgun ban. Pass that highly visible problem to the feds and let them struggle with it. Also, a grab bag containing anything council could dream up: a gun amnesty, which makes good media but will be ineffective; a proposal to have the city buy up gun clubs and put them to some other, more wholesome use; ShotSpotter, a gunshot-detection technology of questionable effectiveness; a time-worn suggestion that gun owners ought to keep their firearms in a central arsenal; a Canada-wide ban on handguns and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. The city also proposes investigating gun clubs and shooting ranges to ensure they are operating legally, even though nobody reasonably suspects they are not.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-a-gun-is-never-just-a-gun/

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9a - Motion to Amend Item (Additional) moved by Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam (Carried)

That City Council request the Government of Canada to strengthen its proposed gun control legislation in Bill C-71, An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearm, by:

a.  restoring the 1977 controls on the sale of unrestricted firearms requiring firearms dealers to record the license number, make, model and serial number of all firearms sold and subject these records to annual inspection so that police services can inspect records as needed to trace firearms used in crimes;

b.  creating more stringent transport provisions for restricted firearms to limit transport outside of direct transfers between their place of storage and approved destination; and

c.  prohibiting the availability, sale, possession and use of handguns, assault rifles and semi-automatic firearms in Canada, with the exception of the Canadian Armed Forces, police services or other entity that is authorized to possess firearms with legal obligations imposed by the municipal, provincial and federal governments.

Vote (Amend Item (Additional))    

Jul-24-2018 7:56 PM
Result: Carried    Majority Required - CC44.14 - Wong-Tam motion 9a
Yes: 40    Paul Ainslie, Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, John Campbell, Christin Carmichael Greb, Josh Colle, Joe Cressy, Vincent Crisanti, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Justin J. Di Ciano, Frank Di Giorgio, Sarah Doucette, John Filion, Paula Fletcher, Mary Fragedakis, Mark Grimes, Jim Hart, Michelle Holland, Jim Karygiannis, Norman Kelly, Mike Layton, Josh Matlow, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Miganoush Megardichian, Joe Mihevc, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Cesar Palacio, James Pasternak, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Jaye Robinson, Neethan Shan, David Shiner, Michael Thompson, John Tory, Lucy Troisi, Jonathan Tsao, Kristyn Wong-Tam
No: 5    Jon Burnside, Gary Crawford, Michael Ford, Stephen Holyday, Giorgio Mammoliti
Absent: 0    
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2018.CC44.14



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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #178 on: July 31, 2018, 06:51:28 am »
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Read the **** resolutions they passed last week.  They are, absolutely, demanding a national ban on handguns and semi-automatic long guns.  Read their **** resolutions you twat.

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Read the **** big print in the headline you twat. You can read right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-city-council-danforth-shooting-1.4760358

Nasty - stop it.

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« Reply #179 on: July 31, 2018, 07:58:21 am »
Read the **** big print in the headline you twat. You can read right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-city-council-danforth-shooting-1.4760358

What a tolerant Liberal you are.