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Offline Omni

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« Reply #195 on: August 02, 2018, 10:10:35 pm »
A tourist driving in Alberta west of Calgary was shot in the head by someone who didnít seem to like the manís driving....   

I think it may be a watershed moment when we, as a country, do something fairly drastic about handguns.  It may be time for them to go.  If you need a shotgun and or rifle for hunting, then fine.   But your handgun hobby is too dangerous to remain legal.

I donít know if this was a handgun, but I would be surprised if he used a rifle while driving a car. 

Hopefully they catch this prick soon.

Wow, I just googled that headline and what a sad story. Let's hope we are not headed down the same shithole as America has gone when it comes to guns. As you say if you need a rifle for hunting or down on the farm, get cleared and go ahead. If you need to play popguns with pistols, go play with it on the range at the gun club and leave it there when you're done. Don't be driving around with it on the the front seat of your car.

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« Reply #196 on: August 03, 2018, 01:49:30 pm »
https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/8798658-editorial-it-s-time-for-canada-to-consider-a-handgun-ban/

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We realize many Canadians, including farmers, hunters, trappers and Indigenous Peoples, have legitimate reasons for using long-guns, such as rifles or shotguns. In contrast, it's hard to see why any private citizen needs to own a handgun, and the experience of countries that have banned such weapons may guide us.

Japan, a nation of 127 million people which has banned handguns, seldom has more than 10 shooting deaths a year. The United Kingdom banned the private ownership of handguns and saw its rates of gun crime fall dramatically. Could a handgun ban do the same here?

Critics will argue that criminals in this country can always buy black market firearms smuggled in from the United States. But while border security should be tightened, police say half or more than half of the firearms used criminally in Canada originated in this country.

I think we should go where the evidence leads us...   if the evidence says we'd be generally safer by banning handguns, then that's the direction we should go.  Obviously, tightening up the border would also help. 

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #197 on: August 04, 2018, 11:48:33 am »
A tourist driving in Alberta west of Calgary was shot in the head by someone who didnít seem to like the manís driving....   

I think it may be a watershed moment when we, as a country, do something fairly drastic about handguns.  It may be time for them to go. 

So do you think it was someone with a legal handgun who obtained the necessary permit to transport it, or someone who didn't give a **** about the current law? If the latter, why would you imagine he would give a **** about a future law?

The idea we can keep hand guns out of the clutches of criminals by banning them is moronic while we've got a three thousand miles border with the US and millions of back and forth visits every year. That's to say nothing of the free smuggling areas which are native reserves that straddle the border. The only way to reduce the number of illegal handguns in people's hands is harsh laws against illegal sales, smuggling and possession, and the Canadian legal community is adamantly opposed to any harsh punishments for anything whatsoever.
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« Reply #198 on: August 09, 2018, 07:44:57 pm »
https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/8798658-editorial-it-s-time-for-canada-to-consider-a-handgun-ban/

I think we should go where the evidence leads us...   if the evidence says we'd be generally safer by banning handguns, then that's the direction we should go.  Obviously, tightening up the border would also help.

Kimmy said she carries a handgun in Kim Country, i guess bears of whatever if i remember.

Handgun bans don't get rid of illegal guns.  Meth users still use it even though it's banned.  It's a bandaid to a bigger and far more complex social problem.  Primarily failed parenting.  Maybe their mothers and fathers (if not absent) should get on the stand and explain why their young boys were allowed to do these things?
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« Reply #199 on: August 10, 2018, 01:38:47 pm »

Handgun bans don't get rid of illegal guns. 

Do you think the following sentence is true?

Automatic weapon bans don't help get rid of automatic weapons;  it's just as easy to get them now as it would be if they were legal and available.

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« Reply #200 on: August 10, 2018, 06:31:20 pm »
Do you think the following sentence is true?

Automatic weapon bans don't help get rid of automatic weapons;  it's just as easy to get them now as it would be if they were legal and available.

SirJohn...   answer the question, or explain why itís ďdumbĒ.

You think automatic weapons are as prolific now than they would be if they werenít banned?   How so?
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« Reply #201 on: August 10, 2018, 08:17:59 pm »
SirJohn...   answer the question, or explain why itís ďdumbĒ.

I just decided to mark dumb to everything you post from now on. I mean, 90% of what you do here is mark people's posts dumb so you must like it.
Nor do you deserve any more explanation than you normally give.
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« Reply #202 on: August 10, 2018, 08:40:57 pm »
Do you think the following sentence is true?

Automatic weapon bans don't help get rid of automatic weapons;  it's just as easy to get them now as it would be if they were legal and available.

No.  It's not even much related to what I said.  We already have restrictions on hand guns, and tightening those laws or banning handguns altogether will have some effect very likely.  But it's not whether they have easy legal access to it, it's why do they feel the need to have them in the first place, because if people want guns they'll still get them, though it may be a bit more difficult.  Drugs and, say, police radar detectors depending on the province are some examples.   I support tight gun law restrictions , but it also isn't an effective solution.  Gun crime in the USA has as much to do with access as with the gun culture down there.

Banning drugs doesn't get rid of them because it doesn't get to the root of the problem, though it could help the situation a bit.
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« Reply #203 on: August 10, 2018, 09:48:41 pm »
No.  It's not even much related to what I said.  We already have restrictions on hand guns, and tightening those laws or banning handguns altogether will have some effect very likely.  But it's not whether they have easy legal access to it, it's why do they feel the need to have them in the first place, because if people want guns they'll still get them, though it may be a bit more difficult.  Drugs and, say, police radar detectors depending on the province are some examples.   I support tight gun law restrictions , but it also isn't an effective solution.  Gun crime in the USA has as much to do with access as with the gun culture down there.

Banning drugs doesn't get rid of them because it doesn't get to the root of the problem, though it could help the situation a bit.

What's so ironic is that people in the US want hand guns so they can protect themselves from other people with hand guns. Duh.

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« Reply #204 on: August 10, 2018, 11:09:26 pm »
No.  It's not even much related to what I said.  We already have restrictions on hand guns, and tightening those laws or banning handguns altogether will have some effect very likely.  But it's not whether they have easy legal access to it, it's why do they feel the need to have them in the first place, because if people want guns they'll still get them, though it may be a bit more difficult.  Drugs and, say, police radar detectors depending on the province are some examples.   I support tight gun law restrictions , but it also isn't an effective solution.  Gun crime in the USA has as much to do with access as with the gun culture down there.

Banning drugs doesn't get rid of them because it doesn't get to the root of the problem, though it could help the situation a bit.

So you think banning automatic weapons makes them less available, correct?
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« Reply #205 on: August 11, 2018, 02:03:57 am »
So you think banning automatic weapons makes them less available, correct?

That would be my wild hunch but I have zero evidence to claim such, so no I don't think that until shown evidence either way.
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« Reply #206 on: August 11, 2018, 02:05:00 am »
What's so ironic is that people in the US want hand guns so they can protect themselves from other people with hand guns. Duh.

Agreed, it's an arms race, a security spiral.
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« Reply #207 on: August 11, 2018, 11:52:00 am »
That would be my wild hunch but I have zero evidence to claim such, so no I don't think that until shown evidence either way.

There are plenty of studies that show if guns are harder to get, murder rates go down.  https://www.sciencealert.com/scientific-evidence-that-stricter-gun-control-works-saves-lives

So bazookas, if they were legal, wouldnít be in the hands of criminals, just those who wanted to own them legally.

The argument is so obvious, itís probably 4th grade math....   if you ban something and availability goes down, then it will be harder to get.    So your simplistic contention that banning handguns wouldnít work is complete nonsense.

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Re: Danforth Shooting
« Reply #209 on: August 12, 2018, 09:51:36 pm »
This is happily ironic.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/20/news/companies/american-outdoor-brands-earnings/index.html

OMG, the nra will have to come to the rescue. Oops, there bank account seems a little low now too. I wonder if the folks are getting tired of guns everywhere.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/