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Offline The Cynic

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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2021, 05:17:50 pm »
If itís something that can be treated at a walk-in clinic, then youíre an idiot for going to ER and clogging it up with non-emergency issues.  Whomever is doing that is part of the problem and why it takes so long at the ER.

I doubt the accuracy of that. There's no logical reason why it should be more expensive for a doctor to treat you in a clinic vs a hospital ER. They say it costs more because they include the cost of things like X-rats and blood tests which clinics send you elsewhere for. And because they're averaging in the cost of treating trauma patients and heart attacks and strokes with your runny nose. If we just had more doctors and nurses in the ER they could treat minor cases just as efficiently without forcing more serious cases to wait.

And clinics are usually closed in the evenings, overnight, and on weekends and holidays.

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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2021, 05:20:41 pm »
How is it 2-tier when it would get rid of the public insurance system and make every private insurer give everyone the same quality of coverage?

Really don't see how that would help given our main problem is not enough doctors and nurses, and not enough exam rooms or operating rooms to treat patients.

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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2021, 05:28:02 pm »
If we just had more doctors and nurses in the ER they could treat minor cases just as efficiently without forcing more serious cases to wait.

no - your "minor cases" have no reason to be clogging up ERs... your simpleton call for "more ER doctors & nurses" to manage improper use of ERs is woefully misplaced... misdirected!

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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2021, 06:54:58 pm »
no - your "minor cases" have no reason to be clogging up ERs... your simpleton call for "more ER doctors & nurses" to manage improper use of ERs is woefully misplaced... misdirected!

Easy fix:  every hospital has an ER room for emergency and a 24hr walk-in clinic where ER nurses can triage non-emergency cases.  Also, create more 24/7 clinics in general.
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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2021, 09:38:53 pm »
If itís something that can be treated at a walk-in clinic, then youíre an idiot for going to ER and clogging it up with non-emergency issues.  Whomever is doing that is part of the problem and why it takes so long at the ER.

BC has several urgent and primary care centres in each health region that are supposed to help take pressure off ER's but I wonder if anyone knows about them.
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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2021, 12:36:47 am »
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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2021, 11:30:50 am »
no - your "minor cases" have no reason to be clogging up ERs... your simpleton call for "more ER doctors & nurses" to manage improper use of ERs is woefully misplaced... misdirected!
Why, you state that as if you have access to important knowledge, WALL-E! So let's hear it. Let's have that important, expert knowledge you have which allows you to render such judgement.

A judgement you make without explanation, I note.

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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2021, 11:32:26 am »


Thanks, WALL-E, for another oversized graphic. But not a dime of that is for new hospitals or continuing transfers to the provinces which would allow them to provide better health care. It's all one-time money for covid.

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« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2021, 11:40:08 am »
Canadians love to compare out health care system to the Americans. Well, here's a comparison they might not like.

COVID-19 has put about 24 people per 100,000 Albertans in hospital over the past week or so.
Some time in the next week or so Alberta may have to go to ICU triage protocols. Doctors may have to start following pre-set rules that determine whether someone with very severe COVID or someone injured in a serious motor vehicle accident can get an ICU bed. Already this week, Dr. Verna Yu, the CEO of Albertaís health system, declared that the only reason the system has not collapsed yet is that enough ICU beds are being freed up by patients who are dying every day.

Twenty-four people per 100,000 in hospital would put Alberta in the bottom half of U.S. states by COVID hospitalization rate. The New York Times tracks this information by state, and as of Tuesday Montana was at 41 per 100,000, Alabama at 39, Texas at 40, Arizona at 25, and Colorado at 18. None of them are anywhere near a hospital crisis.

In the past six weeks or so, hospitals in some U.S. states have approached 70 to 80 per cent capacity, but they can handle these numbers. Pre-pandemic data from 2018 showed that all U.S. states except Hawaii and Vermont had an ICU capacity of 18 per 100,000 or better ó thatís not hospital capacity, that is ICU capacity and those numbers have likely increased since COVID. Albertaís expanded ICU capacity is 370 beds, or about eight per 100,000.

The U.S. system, for all its flaws and unfairness, creates capacity we have never seen in Canada. The poorest U.S. states have more ICU beds per capita than any province in Canada.


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/vitor-marciano-albertas-fourth-wave-exposes-how-little-capacity-canadas-hospitals-actually-have

Canada has 2.52 hospital beds per 100,000 people. Greece, which is perpetually on the verge of bankruptcy, has over 4. France has 6, Germany 8.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds
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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2021, 12:16:13 pm »
Why, you state that as if you have access to important knowledge, WALL-E! So let's hear it. Let's have that important, expert knowledge you have which allows you to render such judgement.

A judgement you make without explanation, I note.

only a dumbazz would double-down on it being acceptable to use hospital ERs as an alternate... as a substitute for primary physician care.

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« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2021, 12:28:23 pm »
Thanks, WALL-E, for another oversized graphic. But not a dime of that is for new hospitals or continuing transfers to the provinces which would allow them to provide better health care. It's all one-time money for covid.

are you deef? There's much more than Covid-19 monies in those 2 list groupings. In any case, the proper sized graphic shows both actual investments made as well as key election platform intentions... don't hesitate to showcase the promises O'Toole/CPC made - oh wait, he/they aren't in position to do anything, right? Yes waldo, elections have consequences => #3peatTrudeau

now, as member illuminatiCoon has beaked off on the need for increased funding... without providing any details as to what that actually means (vis-a-vis provincial vs. federal healthcare spending & transfer related cost sharing), the waldo was waiting FOR MORE from the guy.

perhaps you could step-in as a proxy for illuminatiCoon - I'm sure you have funding related details/particulars at the ready... sure you do, hey!

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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2021, 12:35:40 pm »
COVID-19 has put about 24 people per 100,000 Albertans in hospital over the past week or so.

good on ya! You calling for increased ICU capacity to help offset the consequences of failed pandemic related actions taken by Conservative Premiers/Conservative provincial governments is key in recognizing causal attachments and properly attributing critical review accountability and responsibilities - good on ya!

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« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2021, 09:24:47 pm »
only a dumbazz would double-down on it being acceptable to use hospital ERs as an alternate... as a substitute for primary physician care.

Only a retarded Liberal drone would think he could get away with switching goalposts mid-discussion, WALL-E.
The discussion was about ER's or clinics

Would you rather talk about why people can't find GPs? Because the reason is Canada is vastly underserved compared to most other western countries.

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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2021, 09:29:43 pm »
are you deef? There's much more than Covid-19 monies in those 2 list groupings. In any case, the proper sized graphic shows both actual investments made as well as key election platform intentions...
The premiers are asking for the feds to increase their share of health costs, WALL-E. Nothing about that in the Liberal playbook. Your boy T doesn't like to give the taxpayer's borrowed money away to other people to spend. He's afraid he won't get a selfy and the credit.

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perhaps you could step-in as a proxy for illuminatiCoon - I'm sure you have funding related details/particulars at the ready... sure you do, hey!

User fees, and the feds increasing their share of health care costs as requested by the provinces, paid for by a special health care tax premium added to the GST.


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« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2021, 09:31:34 pm »
good on ya! You calling for increased ICU capacity to help offset the consequences of failed pandemic related actions taken by Conservative Premiers/Conservative provincial governments is key in recognizing causal attachments and properly attributing critical review accountability and responsibilities - good on ya!

You Liberal hacks always return to attacking the West, but every province has the same problem with lack of ICU beds, lack of hospital beds, and lack of doctors, including Ontario, which was a Liberal fiefdom for 15 years, WALL-E.
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