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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Canadian healthcare
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2021, 02:43:01 pm »
Per capita, the US spends twice as much as Canada on health care and yet their system hasnít handled this pandemic any better than ours.  If you look at the countries that out perform us, all have national systems rather than our Balkanized provincial setup which results in a lot of expensive duplication in many areas.

The US has twice the ICU capacity of Canada per capita.  If a lot of the states don't have lockdowns and people aren't choosing to get vaccinated that's not a comment on the healthcare system, its a comment on government COVID policy and individual actions.  Alberta also is having major ICU problems.  But when there's not a pandemic or when people and governments are acting logically re: COVID it would be nice for Canada to avoid hallway healthcare.

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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2021, 02:51:56 pm »
hard to have a discussion/argument when your boy O'Toole ran away and/or deflected and/or refused to answer what he meant by, "private innovation in public health care". But you're no better here: apparently, you can't even address what it means let alone offer examples of same:

My argument has been:  support our current system by funding it adequately, or abandon it and create something else.  Forcing people to rely on public systems and then making those public systems inadequate is a huge d-bag move.

My preference is to fund the current systems we have adequately.  You will continue to wine and moan to defend "your boy", you will not accept any criticisms of the current systems because you're a stooge for the federal party in power.  You're not interested in truth you're interested in defending the power of a specific political party.  You're an amazing patriot!
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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2021, 02:56:38 pm »
My argument has been:  support our current system by funding it adequately, or abandon it and create something else.  Forcing people to rely on public systems and then making those public systems inadequate is a huge d-bag move.

Why not experiment with new parallel systems that start from the ground up, and increase funding if it works ?
 

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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2021, 03:05:54 pm »
Why not experiment with new parallel systems that start from the ground up, and increase funding if it works ?

I agree but people are illogical.
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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2021, 06:15:45 pm »
it's called adhering to the Canada Health Act!

so instead, we have end-around attempts from Conservative led provinces that allow encroachments on public health care...

Because they're going broke. Hey, Wall-E, how come even when your boy, Mr. Blackface runs up a three hundred Billion dollar deficit he still can't find extra money to help the provinces improve health care so we don't have such lengthy wait times to see a doctor?
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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2021, 07:40:57 pm »
Because they're going broke. Hey, Wall-E, how come even when your boy, Mr. Blackface runs up a three hundred million dollar deficit he still can't find extra money to help the provinces improve health care so we don't have such lengthy wait times to see a doctor?

He ran up a 350 BILLION deficit in 2020. 150 BILLION this year and tens of BILLIONS in each of the years before Covid.
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2021, 08:42:44 pm »
hard to have a discussion/argument when your boy O'Toole ran away and/or deflected and/or refused to answer what he meant by, "private innovation in public health care". But you're no better here: apparently, you can't even address what it means let alone offer examples of same:
My preference is to fund the current systems we have adequately.  You will continue to wine and moan to defend "your boy", you will not accept any criticisms of the current systems because you're a stooge for the federal party in power.  You're not interested in truth you're interested in defending the power of a specific political party.  You're an amazing patriot!

and you're a one-trick pony forever playing the "you're a partisan card". Other than saying nothing more than adequate funding is needed, you haven't managed to offer word one about possible improvements - instead you blindly tout 2-tier healthcare without offering any semblance of what that actually means, how it would be managed/introduced... and most pointedly how it wouldn't harm public universal health care. Talk about you being a, as you say, stooge for private healthcare! By the by, other than your bigTimeFail concerning the timeliness of walk-in clinics compared to ERs, you haven't provided any criticisms for the waldo to address... let alone the "accept" you're pining for! C'mon, get in the game, hey!

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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2021, 08:56:46 pm »
and you're a one-trick pony forever playing the "you're a partisan card". Other than saying nothing more than adequate funding is needed, you haven't managed to offer word one about possible improvements - instead you blindly tout 2-tier healthcare without offering any semblance of what that actually means, how it would be managed/introduced... and most pointedly how it wouldn't harm public universal health care. Talk about you being a, as you say, stooge for private healthcare! By the by, other than your bigTimeFail concerning the timeliness of walk-in clinics compared to ERs, you haven't provided any criticisms for the waldo to address... let alone the "accept" you're pining for! C'mon, get in the game, hey!

I never touted 2-tier healthcare and in fact said I was against it.  The only major flaw I see in our systems is funding.
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2021, 09:09:50 pm »
I never touted 2-tier healthcare and in fact said I was against it. The only major flaw I see in our systems is funding.

say what? From your thread OP, you claiming the following isn't 2-tier doesn't make it so! LOL!

The only other reasonable alternative is a private system where the the private insurers and medical industies are highly regulated.  Insurance should be the same cost for all regardless of age or pre-conditions, nobody can have their coverage cancelled due to health issues etc., the insurers cover the cost of drugs and equipment, and low income earners get it paid free by the state, deductibles are fairly low and based on income (low income = no deductible, while the rich pay more to cover the costs of the lower income earners.  You also should have a standardized level of care.  The rich shouldn't be able to get better coverage than the poor.  There's one plan for everyone.  This is much better than a 2-tier system, and very similar to our current system, except it's not rationed and people won't suffer needlessly.

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« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2021, 09:25:03 pm »
say what? From your thread OP, you claiming the following isn't 2-tier doesn't make it so! LOL!

How is it 2-tier when it would get rid of the public insurance system and make every private insurer give everyone the same quality of coverage?
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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2021, 12:48:36 am »
People will use examples of the US because it's the only one that seemingly exists, but the US isn't regulated enough nor is it very equatable, so using it to compare isn't useful.

I think it's also because we lose a lot of doctors to them, though I am going by data from a while ago. 

But I agree, they are the wild west.  They can charge whatever they want.

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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2021, 12:52:05 am »
How is it 2-tier when it would get rid of the public insurance system and make every private insurer give everyone the same quality of coverage?

Are you thinking like Obamacare?  And who pays the premiums?

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« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2021, 09:40:40 pm »
Canadian healthcare kinda sucks, at least in my experience in multiple cities.  It's much faster to see a doctor at a walk-in clinic than to see a doctor when you go to the ER.  Think about that for a minute.  By faster I mean 30 mins to 1hr vs 4-6 hrs.


If itís something that can be treated at a walk-in clinic, then youíre an idiot for going to ER and clogging it up with non-emergency issues.  Whomever is doing that is part of the problem and why it takes so long at the ER.

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Re: Canadian healthcare
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2021, 12:12:07 am »
If itís something that can be treated at a walk-in clinic, then youíre an idiot for going to ER and clogging it up with non-emergency issues.  Whomever is doing that is part of the problem and why it takes so long at the ER.

ya squiggy, like the waldo said!

one of the bigTime abuses in healthcare is people improperly using emergency rooms as a substitute/alternate for primary physician care.
no - when you compare the timeliness of walk-in clinics over ERs, you validate ERs as a viable option for non-emergency visits; again, as I emphasized, a significant abuse in healthcare is people improperly using emergency rooms as a substitute/alternate for primary physician care.
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Re: Canadian healthcare
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2021, 05:06:12 pm »
He ran up a 350 BILLION deficit in 2020. 150 BILLION this year and tens of BILLIONS in each of the years before Covid.

I knew that! I was just checking to see if you were alert.