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BC votes to keep FPP
« on: December 20, 2018, 05:00:50 pm »
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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2018, 05:11:01 pm »
Wonder what Weaver will do now, PR was his main reason to keep Horgan in power.
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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2018, 05:37:00 pm »
I thought it would be much closer possibly a PR win because most people think there should be a different system if asked but when presented with actual choices they tend to see FPTP as the lesser evil.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2018, 05:42:10 pm »
I thought it would be much closer possibly a PR win because most people think there should be a different system if asked but when presented with actual choices they tend to see FPTP as the lesser evil.

As I understand it there were 2 questions. First was on changing to PR, and second was what form of PR. The 42% response rate was to the first question, much lower response to the second; probably those who wanted FPP didn't respond to the second.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2018, 06:05:46 pm »
As I understand it there were 2 questions. First was on changing to PR, and second was what form of PR. The 42% response rate was to the first question, much lower response to the second; probably those who wanted FPP didn't respond to the second.

There were three PR options but two of them still had open issues that were to be determined later.
Makes sense that many  FPP voters didn't respond to the second question, why would they legitimize a system they didn't want in the first place.
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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2018, 06:18:39 pm »
Makes sense that many  FPP voters didn't respond to the second question, why would they legitimize a system they didn't want in the first place.
I considered that but decided that voting for RUP (the only option with no party lists) was better than not answering at all.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2018, 10:46:09 am »
I'm surprised that FPP won.  Interest in the referendum seemed quite low, and I figured most of the enthusiasm would be from people hungry for change.

I can't help wondering if Andrew Weber was part of the reason why this failed.  For me, I was actually more enthusiastic about changing the system previously. Having now seen the Greens hold down part of the coalition, I really had little interest in making that a permanent feature of our politics.  I abstained from voting.

I guess voters have told Horgan that proportional representation isn't "lit" after all.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2019, 05:05:13 am »
I'm glad to hear about this, although I'm starting to wonder if PR might be a firewall against populist bullshit politics.

ie. I may be changing to 'in favour' as the lesser of 3 evils.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2019, 05:53:34 am »
I'm glad to hear about this, although I'm starting to wonder if PR might be a firewall against populist bullshit politics.

ie. I may be changing to 'in favour' as the lesser of 3 evils.

It could also be a way of permanently entrenching fringe parties in our system.  People might not mind that much if it's Andrew Weber and the Green Goofs, but if it's the Faith Goldie National Front, that could get old pretty quick.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2019, 10:20:12 am »
It could also be a way of permanently entrenching fringe parties in our system.  People might not mind that much if it's Andrew Weber and the Green Goofs, but if it's the Faith Goldie National Front, that could get old pretty quick.

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The opera singer is not a BC politician.  You sound like an ignorant hick when you constantly canít name the party leader and worry about the Greens being a fringe party.   

The Greens received 17% of the vote.  Not fringe. 
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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2019, 12:24:13 am »
They're one-issue fruitopians.  I think people looked at them as part of the government coalition and figured "we don't really need more of this."

Even if you're convinced that the Greens are a serious political party, it doesn't take a wizard  to envision PR opening the door for fringe parties to get into the legislature.


When we were talking about it at work, one of the points made is that other than FPP, all the options on the ballot were basically "we'll figure out the details later."  Things might be more clear in the big city, but here our city is basically split into pieces that are added to big rural ridings to boost the head-count. I can walk through 2 or maybe 3 ridings on my way to work, yet I'm also voting in the same riding as people 50km away.  Explanations like "urban ridings will be combined into larger ridings with multiple representitives, while rural ridings will mostly remain unchanged" doesn't make things very clear.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 05:27:36 am »

When we were talking about it at work, one of the points made is that other than FPP, all the options on the ballot were basically "we'll figure out the details later."  Things might be more clear in the big city, but here our city is basically split into pieces that are added to big rural ridings to boost the head-count. I can walk through 2 or maybe 3 ridings on my way to work, yet I'm also voting in the same riding as people 50km away.  Explanations like "urban ridings will be combined into larger ridings with multiple representitives, while rural ridings will mostly remain unchanged" doesn't make things very clear.

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Uhh... you discuss POLITICS at work ??  ??? Sounds like a bad idea.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2019, 03:05:52 pm »
They're one-issue fruitopians.

What an ignorant statement.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2019, 12:50:27 pm »
I read their website and their policy PDF, and everything that's not related to environmentalism or aboriginals is handled in the most vague hand-waving manner possible.  They talk about shifting workers from non-renewable resources to renewable resources, but no idea how it's going to happen. They want more use of renewable energy, but they also want to stop the Site C dam because the government shouldn't be in the business of building megaproducts to produce all this clean energy that people are going to be using. They have 2 pages about wild salmon and 2 sentences about "clean growth".  Affordability? They're in favor of affordability and they want to help people. Addictions? They're against addictions and they want to help people.   I gather that in the future, the "knowledge economy" will employ all the people displaced from all of these awful environment-destroying industries that are critical to every area of this province outside the lower mainland.

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Re: BC votes to keep FPP
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2019, 02:57:49 pm »
everything that's not related to environmentalism or aboriginals is handled in the most vague hand-waving manner possible

That is kind of like the federal Conservatives: everything not related to transfer of wealth from the people to the elite is handled in the most vague hand-waving manner possible.
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