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« Reply #345 on: February 27, 2020, 02:23:31 pm »
You know what's proof that this was an actual obstruction of the track?

CN and VIA cancelled service!!! You think they'd do it for **** and giggles just to stick it to the public opinion of FN people?

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« Reply #346 on: February 27, 2020, 08:23:32 pm »
You know what's proof that this was an actual obstruction of the track?

CN and VIA cancelled service!!! You think they'd do it for **** and giggles just to stick it to the public opinion of FN people?

Stop promoting a lie. If you'd paid attention at the time, you would know this fact.

Ask CN why they stopped the trains.
Ask CN police why they had to park their own car on the tracks and take a photo of it in order to get an injunction.  Lol
Ask OPP why they only monitored the protest: Hint - because there was nothing on the tracks that needed to be removed.  Lol

Google images from Tyendinaga before the arrests and check them all carefully.

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« Reply #347 on: February 27, 2020, 08:53:25 pm »
Stop promoting a lie. If you'd paid attention at the time, you would know this fact.

Ask CN why they stopped the trains.
Ask CN police why they had to park their own car on the tracks and take a photo of it in order to get an injunction.  Lol
Ask OPP why they only monitored the protest: Hint - because there was nothing on the tracks that needed to be removed.  Lol

Google images from Tyendinaga before the arrests and check them all carefully.

What was this all about then?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tyendinaga-train-fire-mohawk-freight-1.5476708
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« Reply #348 on: February 27, 2020, 09:56:44 pm »
What was this all about then?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tyendinaga-train-fire-mohawk-freight-1.5476708

Lighting fires on the side of the track is peaceful protest.  Fire is speech. 

Many of the protestors don't even acknowledge the legitimacy of government court injunctions (and fire laws) because of colonialism.
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« Reply #349 on: February 28, 2020, 07:51:16 am »
Stop promoting a lie. If you'd paid attention at the time, you would know this fact.

Ask CN why they stopped the trains.
Ask CN police why they had to park their own car on the tracks and take a photo of it in order to get an injunction.  Lol
Ask OPP why they only monitored the protest: Hint - because there was nothing on the tracks that needed to be removed.  Lol

Google images from Tyendinaga before the arrests and check them all carefully.

Are you alleging some conspiracy? If you, you'll have to provide some evidence beyond isolated images. Because there are other images that show the contrary.

You have scant anecdotal evidence that there was NO, blockade and don't really have a theory as to why rail traffic would be shut down if there wasn't a public safety risk.
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« Reply #350 on: February 28, 2020, 09:20:15 am »
Lighting fires on the side of the track is peaceful protest.  Fire is speech. 

Many of the protestors don't even acknowledge the legitimacy of government court injunctions (and fire laws) because of colonialism.


They were putting burning pallets on the tracks and trying to burn the ties with gasoline.
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« Reply #351 on: February 28, 2020, 05:47:53 pm »
They were putting burning pallets on the tracks and trying to burn the ties with gasoline.

That's an act of terrorism.  If trains were derailed that would be not good.

Read a story of protestors laying on the tracks but the train didn't stop, they had to jump off the tracks at the last moment.  A lot of these protestors are young people, and if some keep getting out of hand like this somebody is going to get killed, and that wouldn't be good.
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« Reply #352 on: February 29, 2020, 09:20:54 pm »
Why do we need court injunctions to remove people off the highway? 

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/b-c-supreme-court-issues-injunction-against-protesters-blocking-victoria-highway-1.4829063

Who are these people?  Don't they have jobs?  Shouldn't they be in school?
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« Reply #353 on: February 29, 2020, 09:31:46 pm »
Why do we need court injunctions to remove people off the highway? 

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/b-c-supreme-court-issues-injunction-against-protesters-blocking-victoria-highway-1.4829063

Who are these people?  Don't they have jobs?  Shouldn't they be in school?

Has to do with "you interfere with my land rites, I'll interfere with yours". A tad more complicated than that, but just to give you an idea.
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« Reply #354 on: February 29, 2020, 09:34:49 pm »
Grand daughter is playing in a Canada West 7's tournament at UVIC this weekend. She better be able to get back to UBC tomorrow. Real students have exams coming.
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« Reply #355 on: March 01, 2020, 07:05:44 pm »
What was this all about then?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tyendinaga-train-fire-mohawk-freight-1.5476708

That was a bit of outrage by young people AFTER the arrests.

Read it.

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« Reply #356 on: March 01, 2020, 07:22:02 pm »
Are you alleging some conspiracy? If you, you'll have to provide some evidence beyond isolated images. Because there are other images that show the contrary.

You have scant anecdotal evidence that there was NO, blockade and don't really have a theory as to why rail traffic would be shut down if there wasn't a public safety risk.

For 19 days the Tyendinaga Mohawks protested peacefully BESIDE the tracks, BEHIND the train barrier, on the shoulder of the road and camped in a farmer's field. NOTHING was blocking the tracks or the road.

CN voluntarily stopped the trains due to safety concerns.
Then CN got an injunction.
The OPP monitored for 19 days, but did not have reason to intervene because the conditions of the injunction were being met.

Then Trudeau gave his speech (directing the operations of the police ... illegally), and the OPP dispersed or arrested the Mohawks.

There have been some young people playing dangerous games for a few days since, protesting the violent arrests.

But for 19 days there was only peaceful protest and NOTHING blocking the tracks.
Except the Minister of Indigenous Services when he came to talk to them.  Lol

Oh ... and the sneaky CN police parked their car on the tracks in the middle of the night and took a picture of it ... then magically got an injunction the next day.   Lol

The Tyendinaga Mohawks have blocked the tracks in the past, so CN took precautions.

I thought their strategy was absolutely brilliant this time.

I was disturbed by the video of the arrests, by tactical cops, very disrespectful and violent. It was just a few young people who stayed upfront and confronted police - the rest stepped back - and the youth were still speaking, trying to educate police about their land rights.
Tyendinaga Mohawks have a federally validated treaty  claim below and above the tracks & the 401. (Simcoe Treaty)
They never gave permission for the railway or highway  to go through their land, never received any compensation.

I was also disturbed by the account of one Mohawk man that an OPP officer stood on his arm while another officer yelled at him to put his hands behind his back. He couldn't, then they yelled "Stop resisting!" , and several cops started kicking him in the head.  That kind of illegal police brutality happens to Indigenous people all the time, and it is disgusting.
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« Reply #357 on: March 01, 2020, 07:53:31 pm »
Grand daughter is playing in a Canada West 7's tournament at UVIC this weekend. She better be able to get back to UBC tomorrow. Real students have exams coming.

There's going to be a pipeline put through your yard. This is your only notice,  so be glad I was nice enough to tell you. Machines arrive at 6 am.  Lol

I remember back 10 years or so, people in a very wealthy country area outside of Ottawa woke up to find machines and workers slashing through their bush, cutting down a swathe of mature trees, yanking out the roots, making a horrible mess of their pristine woodland view.
It was a prospecting company with permits. They can go anywhere, even on private property (you have no mineral rights), just to look and drill and see if they can find something worth mining.

The rich people RAN to the local Aboriginal community for help. A standoff ensued, but they lost and the damage was already done.

It can happen to ANYBODY, even on your own property.

Another community RAN to the local Aboriginal community for help when a huge landfill was to be put on top of the aquifer that provided their very clean water. A standoff ensued. They won!
Now they're fighting a huge gravel quarry on the moraine that filters the water that feeds the aquifer.

It can happen to YOU!
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« Reply #358 on: March 01, 2020, 08:41:20 pm »
Why do we need court injunctions to remove people off the highway? 

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/b-c-supreme-court-issues-injunction-against-protesters-blocking-victoria-highway-1.4829063

Who are these people?  Don't they have jobs?  Shouldn't they be in school?

That's a sick old refrain.

(From my strike days I know that the ones yelling ignorant things like that and throwing garbage at you are the rich ones with the really expensive cars.
WTF do they have to complain about? Unbelievable. Until then I believed in the goodness in everyone. No more. There are some really sick f*cks with lots of money who lead miserable lives, just because they choose to be a**h*les. Sucks to be them.)

Protests are usually pretty fluid. People come and go as they are able. Have you never heard of shift work? Not everybody works days. And students have flexible schedules.
 Indigenous Elders are always there to protest.


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« Reply #359 on: March 01, 2020, 09:17:14 pm »
There's going to be a pipeline put through your yard. This is your only notice,  so be glad I was nice enough to tell you. Machines arrive at 6 am.  Lol

I remember back 10 years or so, people in a very wealthy country area outside of Ottawa woke up to find machines and workers slashing through their bush, cutting down a swathe of mature trees, yanking out the roots, making a horrible mess of their pristine woodland view.
It was a prospecting company with permits. They can go anywhere, even on private property (you have no mineral rights), just to look and drill and see if they can find something worth mining.

The rich people RAN to the local Aboriginal community for help. A standoff ensued, but they lost and the damage was already done.

It can happen to ANYBODY, even on your own property.

Another community RAN to the local Aboriginal community for help when a huge landfill was to be put on top of the aquifer that provided their very clean water. A standoff ensued. They won!
Now they're fighting a huge gravel quarry on the moraine that filters the water that feeds the aquifer.

It can happen to YOU!

This was negotiated with the band councils, there were no ultimatums.

The existing TMX passes about 2 km from us. Before we moved it was about 2 blocks from us for 23 years. I know people who are happy it was coming through their property because KM was going to give them a bunch of money for the inconvenience then replace fences and anything else they had to disturb with brand new stuff. The expansion runs through the city owned Ledgeview golf course which is getting a new clubhouse out of the deal.
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