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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2017, 12:23:39 am »
I was pretty young when my family lived in Victoria in the 1990s... I wasn't an astute follower of politics at the time.  But I recall that there was an ethics issue with Glen Clark, and I recall that the Fast Ferries program was quite a boondoggle.

As well, I recall the general sense that while the rest of the country was growing, BC wasn't keeping up. I recall hearing some businessman talk-- and this might have been on Angry Old People talk radio, so it might not have been an unbiased account-- but he was talking to an interviewer about why he located his new facility in Alberta instead of BC.  He said he spent a couple of days in BC and met with a bunch of minor-league officials from government agencies. Someone from the labor department came and told him about diversity targets he'd be expected to meet. Someone from the environment office came and told him about environmental regulations he'd be required to meet.  Someone from municipal affairs came and told him about taxes and utility and infrastructure costs he'd be expected to pay. And so on. It was all about what they expected from him.   When he went to Alberta he got the exact opposite. Everybody talked about what they could do for him.   So of course he picked Alberta instead of BC.  This was an ongoing concern, if I recall-- "thousands of jobs every week are moving from BC to Alberta".  I don't know how much of that was real and how much was hype, but it certainly seemed to be a concern that was being talked about.

But that was 20 years ago... Glen Clark and Usual Dosage are long gone.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2017, 01:42:36 am »
Sure.  But please note that I referenced BCs poverty rate relative to the rest of Canada, not to the 1990s.  BC used to be at the national average, and lower than other provinces, but now is among the worst in terms of number of people living in poverty.


You brought up the '80's and the '90's in post #49 and also specifically the '90's in post # 55 so stop the cherry picking BS.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2017, 01:44:56 am »
They're only proposing a 1% increase in corporate tax rate bringing the province on par with the other provinces and eliminating tax cuts for the top 2%.

If you put your crystal ball of what they'll actually do aside for a minute and just debates the proposed increases, don't you agree it's more pro-middle class, and not at all anti-business?

Nope, I will trust a tax increase from the LP but from no one else. The NDP will increase them again and again and again because that is what they do as they have no fiscal discipline in this province.

Never have, never will.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2017, 02:07:34 am »
Those looking for consistency of data can play with the tables here: http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=2060041&pattern=&csid=

Requires the use of the add/remove data function and then select provinces, all people, all low income lines, percentage of persons in low income, and years 1992 - 2015. 
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2017, 02:23:40 am »
But that was 20 years ago... Glen Clark and Usual Dosage are long gone.

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« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2017, 09:52:46 am »
You brought up the '80's and the '90's in post #49 and also specifically the '90's in post # 55 so stop the cherry picking BS.

I said in #55:  Along with that we also have the second worst poverty rate in Canada, which includes children.   BC is the only province without a poverty reduction plan. 

You responded to that and asked for a cite relative to 90s, and I reiterated that I was comparing to the rest of Canada and not the 90s.  And then I provided cites for what I said, not what you thought I said.

Disagree if you want or provide alternate information; I may be swayed by your arguments because I don't consider myself all that politically savvy and I have always respected your knowledge whether I agree with your opinion or not.

But don't get snarky with me because you failed to read what I wrote. 


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« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2017, 09:56:50 am »
Those looking for consistency of data can play with the tables here: http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=2060041&pattern=&csid=

Requires the use of the add/remove data function and then select provinces, all people, all low income lines, percentage of persons in low income, and years 1992 - 2015.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2017, 12:07:01 pm »
Nope, I will trust a tax increase from the LP but from no one else. The NDP will increase them again and again and again because that is what they do as they have no fiscal discipline in this province.

Never have, never will.

I'm not asking you if you trust them -- it's obvious you don't. 

I'm asking you whether you think increasing corporate income tax by 1% and scrapping tax cuts for the top 2% is 'anti-business'?


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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2017, 12:09:54 pm »
I'm not asking you if you trust them -- it's obvious you don't. 

I'm asking you whether you think increasing corporate income tax by 1% and scrapping tax cuts for the top 2% is 'anti-business'?
Even if it is, fuck business. Public policy has been anti-worker for decades now.
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2017, 12:14:45 pm »
Yeah, I said the same thing earlier.  Businesses really need to start sharing more of the tax burden.  Middle/Upper Middle-class payroll employees are pretty much carrying this country.  It's not fair.

And it's BS that businesses will just up and leave unless we create a good environment for them.  If they can, they're leaving NOW, and they pay virtually no tax and minimum wage is a joke.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2017, 04:03:57 pm »


But don't get snarky with me because you failed to read what I wrote.

Not being snarky.

However, annoyed by this BS "can't talk about the 90's" meme throughout this thread.

History often repeats, or at least rhymes, especially when people of the same political persuasion are running under the same political party.

We all know that the BC Liberals are just the crooked Socreds, for example. Hell, that's why you brought them up and the 80's. 
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2017, 04:05:52 pm »

I'm asking you whether you think increasing corporate income tax by 1% and scrapping tax cuts for the top 2% is 'anti-business'?

I'm fine with it as long as it is the Liberals doing it.

If it's the NDP/GP then this will be the start of spiraling deficits and, therefore, spiraling taxes.
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2017, 04:23:55 pm »
Yeah, I said the same thing earlier.  Businesses really need to start sharing more of the tax burden.  Middle/Upper Middle-class payroll employees are pretty much carrying this country.  It's not fair.


I have a company and also happen to be a "Middle/Upper Middle-class" employee.

So, is it unfair for me as an employee to pay tax but that is being offset, somewhat (or is it entirely?), by my corporation which somehow makes me a "fat cat?"

Or is my total tax burden a combination of myself (employee) and myself (shareholder) and myself (corporation)? 

That is, how angry should I be at my fat cat self for the unfairness that my employee self is suffering?
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2017, 08:35:29 pm »
I have a company and also happen to be a "Middle/Upper Middle-class" employee.

So, is it unfair for me as an employee to pay tax but that is being offset, somewhat (or is it entirely?), by my corporation which somehow makes me a "fat cat?"

Or is my total tax burden a combination of myself (employee) and myself (shareholder) and myself (corporation)? 

That is, how angry should I be at my fat cat self for the unfairness that my employee self is suffering?

Oh sure.  You bring yourself up as an example.  A tax accountant who probably has the perfect threshold of salary and dividends while deferring the rest of your taxes through your corporation.  That's not the general population.

In reality, if your corporate self paid  a couple more percentage points in tax, your self-employed self and all your employees would benefit from a tax cut. 

That would be more fair.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #74 on: June 29, 2017, 07:34:26 pm »
44-42 to bring the government down.

I admit I am surprised that the GP/NDP did not try to arrange a vote of 43-42 so as to have the Speaker vote for the government.

But that probably is too clever for them. 
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