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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #225 on: October 24, 2020, 12:06:02 pm »
With the pandemic accelerating he goes AWOL for nearly two months and leaves Dr. Bonnie holding the bag. There is something wrong with being rewarded for that.
Given the example of so many politicians doing the opposite in the world I'm wondering where the real downside is here. I'll take experts over politicians 7 day a week and twice on Sunday thanks. Horgan didn't need to call an election and I'm also put off by Horgan's opportunism and like a good number of other voters I'm happier when politicians have to cooperate as opposed to having absolute power. That said I voted for our NDP representative because I've worked with and known her for many years.  She's also a scientist so...
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #226 on: October 24, 2020, 12:23:28 pm »
Given the example of so many politicians doing the opposite in the world I'm wondering where the real downside is here. I'll take experts over politicians 7 day a week and twice on Sunday thanks. Horgan didn't need to call an election and I'm also put off by Horgan's opportunism and like a good number of other voters I'm happier when politicians have to cooperate as opposed to having absolute power. That said I voted for our NDP representative because I've worked with and known her for many years.  She's also a scientist so...

Henry needs the government to be there to back her up. Horgan broke his word and a signed agreement to disappear and pursue his own interests during a crisis. If that's his idea of leadership, i'm not impressed.
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #227 on: October 24, 2020, 12:38:20 pm »
Henry needs the government to be there to back her up. Horgan broke his word and a signed agreement to disappear and pursue his own interests during a crisis. If that's his idea of leadership, i'm not impressed.
I can't think of a time I've ever said to myself 'boy do I ever need a leader to follow'.  Maybe that's why I feel like such an outlier when it comes to politics, so much of it fails to impress on too many levels perhaps.
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #228 on: October 24, 2020, 12:53:33 pm »
I can't think of a time I've ever said to myself 'boy do I ever need a leader to follow'.  Maybe that's why I feel like such an outlier when it comes to politics, so much of it fails to impress on too many levels perhaps.

So why have a parliament at all? Just hire a bunch of civil servants and leave everything to them, including making and enforcing laws.

Who does Henry turn to for needed legislation if there is no government in place to provide it and all the politicians are out campaigning?
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #229 on: October 24, 2020, 06:22:59 pm »
So why have a parliament at all?
To authorize the experts. Parliament should be a citizen's assembly drafted from the general public the way jurists are.

A better question is why have politicians at all?

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #230 on: October 24, 2020, 06:44:34 pm »
To authorize the experts. Parliament should be a citizen's assembly drafted from the general public the way jurists are.

A better question is why have politicians at all?

Drafted by who using what qualifications?

How many people would be able to leave their jobs and careers for four years to serve on this assembly?

Politics and politicians are everywhere, not just in government.
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« Reply #231 on: October 24, 2020, 07:52:37 pm »
Drafted by who using what qualifications?
I suppose they'd be drafted by whoever was in charge of administering the government department responsible for doing so.  We're basically just talking about randomly drawing names from a hat so how hard can that be? As for vetting and confirming slates of drafted representatives these could be put to a fairly conventional election at the riding level.  In fact I'd suggest drafting, vetting and electing within ridings could also be randomized so new fresh ideas and perspectives on current events were introduced into the mix. There'd still be plenty for politicians to do if there was always an impending election.

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How many people would be able to leave their jobs and careers for four years to serve on this assembly?
Out of millions of potential candidates? Plenty I suspect. Are jurists hard to come by or something, are employers permitted to fire them if they accept the honour/duty?  The cases they deal with sometimes drag on for years too so...there are also provisions for jurists opting so there's no reason why that shouldn't be the case for representatives.

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Politics and politicians are everywhere, not just in government.
That's fine, they'd still be free to organize themselves and influence people's thinking this way or that as always.
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #232 on: October 24, 2020, 09:16:19 pm »
To authorize the experts. Parliament should be a citizen's assembly drafted from the general public the way jurists are.

A better question is why have politicians at all?

I haven't heard you float this idea before.  Sounds something like one I have posted so of course I love it  :D

Seriously, this is an interesting take.  I suspect something like this will happen eventually.  The system we have is rigid and top-down, not responsive.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #233 on: October 24, 2020, 10:16:55 pm »
But how do we have government departments, do they just make themselves out of nothing? I think what you are getting at is the end of party politics. That would be nice to see but won't hold my breath. Politics will always be with us.
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #234 on: October 24, 2020, 11:03:18 pm »
As of writing of this post a handful of ridings have been called but CBC called it for the NDP a few minutes ago and 338 called it for NDP hours ago.   :D 

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #235 on: October 24, 2020, 11:07:16 pm »
GVRD is looking very orange so far.  Woot woot.

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« Reply #236 on: October 24, 2020, 11:09:18 pm »
Aaaaand my MLA just won re-election.  Yay.

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #237 on: October 24, 2020, 11:33:26 pm »
Greens projected to take 4 seats.  I love my province. 

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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #238 on: October 25, 2020, 12:19:39 am »
Holy poop, West Van Sea to Sky went from Lib to Green!!
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #239 on: October 25, 2020, 12:21:55 am »
Fin Donnelly gets his second pension.  Congrats.