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« Reply #180 on: October 08, 2020, 06:33:54 pm »
Assuming that party in power let her.  Horgan can probably attribute a lot of good political will to having the sense to give Dr Henry the sway she's had.  A lot of other politicians might feel threatened by her influence and make her feel like moving on, which would be a real loss.

I don't think that's true in this case. Conservative governments in Alberta and Ontario haven't got in the way of their public health officers when it comes to Covid. There is no objective reason to think they would in BC, only partisan reasons.
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« Reply #181 on: October 09, 2020, 08:26:16 am »
I don't think that's true in this case. Conservative governments in Alberta and Ontario haven't got in the way of their public health officers when it comes to Covid. There is no objective reason to think they would in BC, only partisan reasons.

I doubt BC has had or, under Dr Henry and a NDP government, will have a headline like this:

https://www.cp24.com/news/premier-ford-s-cabinet-meeting-today-to-discuss-more-public-health-recommendations-1.5139205

I think there is a reason why strip clubs were spreading Covid so effectively in ON and it was not because of public health officials.
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« Reply #182 on: October 09, 2020, 09:21:09 am »
I doubt BC has had or, under Dr Henry and a NDP government, will have a headline like this:

https://www.cp24.com/news/premier-ford-s-cabinet-meeting-today-to-discuss-more-public-health-recommendations-1.5139205

I think there is a reason why strip clubs were spreading Covid so effectively in ON and it was not because of public health officials.

Sure they did.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/07/09/b-c-not-considering-closing-nightclubs-strip-clubs-after-positive-covid-19-cases-health-minister/

Night clubs an strip clubs have also been a source of spread in BC.
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« Reply #183 on: October 09, 2020, 01:31:10 pm »
I don't think that's true in this case. Conservative governments in Alberta and Ontario haven't got in the way of their public health officers when it comes to Covid. There is no objective reason to think they would in BC, only partisan reasons.
I think the reason for that is the shit-show that US conservatives have put on display. Our conservative politicians seem to have a better sense of the danger of not subscribing to science and expert advice and that Canadians are not in the mood for any overt divisiveness according to the standard tenets of right/left politicization and I applaud them for that.
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« Reply #184 on: October 09, 2020, 03:20:27 pm »
I think the reason for that is the shit-show that US conservatives have put on display. Our conservative politicians seem to have a better sense of the danger of not subscribing to science and expert advice and that Canadians are not in the mood for any overt divisiveness according to the standard tenets of right/left politicization and I applaud them for that.

I will suggest that our Conservatives are completely and totally onboard with the Trump agenda but are afraid to come out with it. I'm thinking about stopping abortion completely and destroying our universal health care. On other minor issues the Conservatives don't even bother to pretend.
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« Reply #185 on: October 09, 2020, 07:07:17 pm »
I will suggest that our Conservatives are completely and totally onboard with the Trump agenda but are afraid to come out with it.

Please provide evidence of this.  From what I have seen, the evidence points in the opposite direction for the most part.  (88% of BCers would vote from Biden)
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« Reply #186 on: October 10, 2020, 11:15:02 am »
Please provide evidence of this.  From what I have seen, the evidence points in the opposite direction for the most part.  (88% of BCers would vote from Biden)

True squid, and that speaks loudly for B.C. voters. The Conservative faction would be as low as 12% now because Trump represents their ideals.

What is in the Conservative agenda that still stands intact in Canada. Do they even have a position on health care? Abortion?
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« Reply #187 on: October 10, 2020, 11:31:15 am »
What is in the Conservative agenda that still stands intact in Canada. Do they even have a position on health care? Abortion?

The desire to pay lower taxes and have less governmental oversight.  I think that resonates with a lot of people.

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« Reply #188 on: October 10, 2020, 12:02:49 pm »
The desire to pay lower taxes and have less governmental oversight.  I think that resonates with a lot of people.

One way of looking at it is health care is a provincial responsibility. Decreasing federal taxes gives provinces more room to tax. The only real issue is having enough money for transfers that enable an equal level of care for all provinces.
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« Reply #189 on: October 10, 2020, 12:46:19 pm »
One way of looking at it is health care is a provincial responsibility. Decreasing federal taxes gives provinces more room to tax. The only real issue is having enough money for transfers that enable an equal level of care for all provinces.

The desire to pay lower taxes is not the property of the Conservatives alone. It's pretty well universal with some qualifications. For instance, we shouldn't just demand to be able to stop paying taxes without due considerations. If the decision to eliminate a tax is rational then all political persuasions will be on board with that decision.

Having said that, there's little doubt that one's political priorities will be what causes an individual's decision on any specific taxation. That's where the debate on 'socially responsible' government begins. Can you suggest some tax that should be eliminated according to a Conservative's agenda?
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« Reply #190 on: October 10, 2020, 12:50:54 pm »
The desire to pay lower taxes and have less governmental oversight.  I think that resonates with a lot of people.

I've already covered the 'desire to pay lower taxes' but you could expand on 'less government oversight'?

Otherwise it just comes across as a hot button buzz phrase.

Canadians want good socially responsible government and so the Conservatives are going to have to spell out what they have to offer. You haven't done that yet.
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Re: BC provincial election
« Reply #191 on: October 10, 2020, 01:55:49 pm »
The desire to pay lower taxes is not the property of the Conservatives alone. It's pretty well universal with some qualifications. For instance, we shouldn't just demand to be able to stop paying taxes without due considerations. If the decision to eliminate a tax is rational then all political persuasions will be on board with that decision.

Having said that, there's little doubt that one's political priorities will be what causes an individual's decision on any specific taxation. That's where the debate on 'socially responsible' government begins. Can you suggest some tax that should be eliminated according to a Conservative's agenda?

I don't speak for a Conservative agenda. Personally I am more concerned about spending than taxes right now. The Bank of Canada is buying back over 200 billion of Canada's debt this year.
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« Reply #192 on: October 12, 2020, 01:50:01 pm »
I've already covered the 'desire to pay lower taxes' but you could expand on 'less government oversight'?

Otherwise it just comes across as a hot button buzz phrase.

Canadians want good socially responsible government and so the Conservatives are going to have to spell out what they have to offer. You haven't done that yet.

Yes, I think it is a hot-button phrase most of the time.  On the other hand, I work in Government and I get calls and emails from people who think the government is too involved in our daily life, everything is a tax grab, etc. and I regularly read stuff from people unhappy with the government regulations, number of government workers and how much they're compensated - from health care workers to teachers.

I think government could be run more efficiently, but that doesn't necessarily mean smaller, imo.  In the department I'm in, we are losing millions in revenue (not tax revenue) because the government does not provide the resources needed to collect the revenue.  They don't do so because "small government" means something to a certain segment of the population, so hiring more "overpaid government workers with gold-plated pensions" is not politically advantageous.   

Of course, this is a personal anecdote and I admit that I'm pretty politically nave relative to most posters here.  It's why I post much less than I read.

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« Reply #193 on: October 12, 2020, 03:52:08 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/thornthwaite-comments-bowinn-ma-1.5759112

Anyone following this story about Jane Thornthwaite and Bowinn Ma?  I watched the video, ready to be outraged, but I don't see anything of what she said as a dig at Ma.  She was jabbing Ralph Sultan for thinking with the wrong head.

Am I just losing my progressive cred?

ETA - in a professional setting it'd be inappropriate to make those remarks about your colleagues, agreed -- but I still see the dig at Sultan, not Ma.
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« Reply #194 on: October 12, 2020, 04:04:31 pm »
I watched the video, ready to be outraged,

Yeah. I saw the headline yesterday, started watching the video, and started rolling my eyes that this was a controversy. 

Is this the result of a few decades of "gotcha" style politics?  Is it "political correctness run amok"? Are people just too fucking fragile?

I feel like there's a huge world of difference between the content of the video and the kind of gendered slurs that many female politicians face on a frequent basis. I feel like if we get up in arms over something as innocuous as this incident, it just undermines real actual sexism in politics.

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