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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2019, 01:26:52 am »
Some people want to see more progress towards clean(er) energy, while others rely on the production of traditional (dirty) energy to pay their bills. Both valid points. There will be an end to fossil fuels somewhere down the road so we need to deal with that. Throwing stones across provincial borders isn't the way so hopefully cooler heads will prevail so we can make a smoother, sensible transition.

It will never happen. By the time it does, it will be too late. The USA is moving backwards, in regards to fossil fuels, and I suggest we should not even try, since inevitably people are selfish, and one day a catastrophe will happen. Then war and a mass genocide will likely occur. I just hope this occurs when I am dead in 40 years.

Why should Canada be singled out?
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2019, 05:34:56 am »
... since inevitably people are selfish.


People are not inextricably selfish, nor are they selfless either.  The models of governance work best when they harness the energy of the tension between those two human traits. 

Even selfish people are going to have to deal with running out of oil at some point.

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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2019, 06:20:13 am »

People are not inextricably selfish, nor are they selfless either.  The models of governance work best when they harness the energy of the tension between those two human traits. 

Even selfish people are going to have to deal with running out of oil at some point.

Not talking about oil.  I'm referring to dramatic changes in the climate of the Earth.  People will have two options once hundreds of millions are displaced:

1) come together and change for the better
2) War and genocide

I would like to think that we could get together and solve problems.  However, I believe we can predict history from past events. In that case, war and genocide are almost a certainty.
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2019, 08:39:19 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/1.5100085
Oilpatch hopes investment flows back to Alberta after big Kenney win
"Kenney's promise of setting up a "war room" to defend the sector against misinformation and attacks on social media and elsewhere is important, said Tristan Goodman, president of the Explorers and Producers Association of Canada, as well as a fresh approach on getting pipelines built."

I guess we can expect more paid oil trolls on discussion boards ... paid for by Albertans taxes. 

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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2019, 09:01:53 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/1.5100085
Oilpatch hopes investment flows back to Alberta after big Kenney win
"Kenney's promise of setting up a "war room" to defend the sector against misinformation and attacks on social media and elsewhere is important, said Tristan Goodman, president of the Explorers and Producers Association of Canada, as well as a fresh approach on getting pipelines built."

The Conservative victory is not only a victory for Alberta, it is a victory for all of Canada.  A healthy and prosperous petroleum industry benefits all Canadians, directly and indirectly. 
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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2019, 09:12:33 am »
I guess we can expect more paid oil trolls on discussion boards ... paid for by Albertans taxes.
Why is it that left zealots can't understand that people can have a different opinion than them without being paid or having some financial interest? I guess it comes from the general assumption that anyone who disagrees with far left radicals is evil and should be silenced by the state.
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2019, 09:19:11 am »
Hmm, I never realize quite how intense the tensions are sometimes between BC and AB.  I guess the tensions make sense, given what's been happening.

Wasnít always that way.
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2019, 09:24:14 am »
The Conservative victory is not only a victory for Alberta, it is a victory for all of Canada.  A healthy and prosperous petroleum industry benefits all Canadians, directly and indirectly.

Good luck with that but I think the problems run far deeper than just who rules in Edmonton.
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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2019, 09:44:45 am »
Well, I guess we just elected a party with 4 active RCMP investigations into corruption......

Albertans can't seem to get enough of being raped by the PCs.  In the heyday of oil, where did all that money go?  Not to infrastructure, not to education, not to healthcare.  It lined the pockets of fat, old white men and Albertans seem happy with the few crumbs that they allow to fall from their table.

What a difference in the 2 speeches at the end of the night.
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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2019, 09:57:03 am »
Albertans can't seem to get enough of being raped by the PCs.  In the heyday of oil, where did all that money go?  Not to infrastructure, not to education, not to healthcare.  It lined the pockets of fat, old white men and Albertans seem happy with the few crumbs that they allow to fall from their table.
Notley might have won if BC and Quebec were not filled with hypocritical jerks that refused to cooperate with her climate action for pipelines compromise. Now we get a confrontational approach which may not be any more successful but it will ultimately undermine the federation.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2019, 10:09:13 am »
Wasnít always that way.

Itís not now....    Iíve never heard anyone in BC talk about tensions between Alberta and B.C.    itís just not a thing here.  Itís a made up issue to stoke fear and resentment against someone...  anyone....   to draw attention away from actual issues in Alberta. 

The resource sector is boom and bust...   always has been.  Alberta has mismanaged it for decades.  They need someone to blame. 
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2019, 10:14:12 am »
The resource sector is boom and bust...   always has been.  Alberta has mismanaged it for decades.  They need someone to blame.
In this case, BC and deserves a lot of blame. There is no excuse for obstructing the development of pipelines since free movement of goods is the entire purpose of confederation. I hope Kenny creates a fuel crisis here in Vancouver so the SOBs can feel some of the pain that their self centered obstructionism is imposing on people who are supposed to be partners in confederation.

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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2019, 10:47:17 am »
In this case, BC and deserves a lot of blame. There is no excuse for obstructing the development of pipelines since free movement of goods is the entire purpose of confederation. I hope Kenny creates a fuel crisis here in Vancouver so the SOBs can feel some of the pain that their self centered obstructionism is imposing on people who are supposed to be partners in confederation.


LOL

You said contradictory things over two sentences. 

Difference being one Province is working through the courts in a legal way, the other, not so much.   I can disagree with the stance BC has taken, and we will see who will be correct through the courts.   Cutting off gas (which Alberta canít do anyway) is rhetoric and completely asinine.

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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2019, 11:06:43 am »
Itís not now....    Iíve never heard anyone in BC talk about tensions between Alberta and B.C.    itís just not a thing here.  Itís a made up issue to stoke fear and resentment against someone...  anyone....   to draw attention away from actual issues in Alberta. 

The resource sector is boom and bust...   always has been.  Alberta has mismanaged it for decades.  They need someone to blame.

Yes, all British Columbians are experts on the Alberta economy. Not.
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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2019, 11:10:00 am »
Difference being one Province is working through the courts in a legal way, the other, not so much.
Using the courts to obstruct is still obstruction. Don't try to pretend it is reasonable or moral.
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