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« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2019, 07:39:04 pm »
Compensation paid to BC for what? BC isn't paying for it.

Maybe the feds own it but if BC thinks it can dictate what comes out of the pipe,  Alberta can certainly dictate what goes into it.

Damage to the economy from an unconstitutional act.
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« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2019, 07:43:06 pm »
Damage to the economy from an unconstitutional act.
Based on that logic Alberta should get compensation from any group that advocates breaking the law to obstruct legally approved projects. That would include the Green Party of Canada.
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« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2019, 08:04:28 pm »
Based on that logic Alberta should get compensation from any group that advocates breaking the law to obstruct legally approved projects. That would include the Green Party of Canada.

If BC passed legislation that hurts Alberta and is deemed unconstitutional, then yes, there should be reparations.

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« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2019, 08:17:10 pm »
If BC passed legislation that hurts Alberta and is deemed unconstitutional, then yes, there should be reparations.

The federal greens could already be in trouble on that score. Elizabeth May was arrested for violating a court order.
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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2019, 08:18:42 pm »
The federal greens could already be in trouble on that score. Elizabeth May was arrested for violating a court order.

Not at all.  That would be a civil case.  Nothing like that has been started, as far as iím aware.

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« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2019, 08:23:12 pm »
Not at all.  That would be a civil case.  Nothing like that has been started, as far as iím aware.

Kenney says he is still enacting the turn off the taps legislation on the 30th. The question is when and if he will use it. Shutting down the TM would have the BC economy on its knees in a week. It would take a lot longer to harm Alberta.
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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2019, 09:34:27 pm »
Kenney says he is still enacting the turn off the taps legislation on the 30th. The question is when and if he will use it. Shutting down the TM would have the BC economy on its knees in a week. It would take a lot longer to harm Alberta.
We will get a chance to see if Trudeau can rise to the occasion be a leader that can broker a compromise or whether he is just going to continue to dither and hope the courts make the problem goes away.

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« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2019, 10:09:53 pm »
Kenney says he is still enacting the turn off the taps legislation on the 30th. The question is when and if he will use it. Shutting down the TM would have the BC economy on its knees in a week. It would take a lot longer to harm Alberta.

Important to note that enacting the legislation on the 30th doesn't mean that they'll start restricting permits on the 30th.

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« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2019, 10:28:22 pm »
When did Horgan ever say he wouldnít talk?  Reaction?  He got congratulated and an invitation to talk about the issues. 

Horgan might be willing to talk, but if the only thing he's willing to say is "no", then it'll be a short talk.  The BC government has participated in numerous court actions to stop the pipeline, BC argued his constitutional case before the courts last month to obtain the right to prevent bitumen from being shipped through the pipeline, and he's vowed to use "every tool in the toolbox" to stop the pipeline.  It doesn't really sound like he has much to talk about; could be a very brief conversation.

It would be completely unconstitutional for BC to stop Alberta from using the ports, obviously.   Despite the fact that this hasnít gone through the courts, even our resident pretend internet lawyer would say so.   

But BC will simply take Alberta to court, win, and get reparations.  Canít let bullies get their way.

We don't know that Alberta's law is unconstitutional.  If Horgan wins his constitutional case, it probably means that Alberta's law is constitutional as well.

If Horgan doesn't win his constitutional case, then his "toolbox" is probably out of tools and there's no reason for Kenney to retaliate against BC.

I am looking forward to less Alberta tourists with their slow RVs clogging up my roads...  threats of a BC boycott, blah, blah...   but there will be just as many Albertans vacationing in BC as ever...   they either vacation here, or move here.   Most of Kim City is populated by Albertans these days. 

It won't take a boycott to kill tourism; skyrocketing gas prices will do that on their own. Skyrocketing fuel costs are going to deeply cut into the profits of most of BC's other major industries too.

Maybe if there was more pipeline capacity from Alberta, and more refining capacity here in BC, we wouldn't be so dependent on buying gas from Washington state. Might be something for Vancouverites to consider next time they look at the gas station signs.

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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2019, 11:35:30 pm »
Important to note that enacting the legislation on the 30th doesn't mean that they'll start restricting permits on the 30th.

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I would be very surprised if they did. He said the legislation would be passed immediately, he never said when he might use it. Using it would be a huge escalation, it wouldnít be smart to rush into it.

It wonít just be Alberta tourism high gas prices will kill, it will keep Americans away as well unless they are just on their way to Alaska.

If B.C. wants more refining capacity and lower prices it will probably have to build its own refinery. I donít see an existing oil company spending billions on a new refinery just so they can get less money for their product. As long as the NDP and Greens are in power there is no chance of a refinery being built on B.C. soil anyway.



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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #85 on: April 18, 2019, 12:10:22 am »
No one checks gas prices before they go on vacation...   ::)
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« Reply #86 on: April 18, 2019, 01:49:06 am »
No one checks gas prices before they go on vacation...   ::)

Thanks for the expert analysis, TravelGuru.com.  ::)

Perhaps you and Mrs Squid and the little Squids aren't affected by fuel prices, but for most people it's a big factor. Especially for communities outside the Vancouver/Victoria area where everything arrives by road.

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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #87 on: April 18, 2019, 08:13:42 am »
No one checks gas prices before they go on vacation...   ::)

Gas Buddy. You can check prices anywhere and yes they do.
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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #88 on: April 18, 2019, 08:15:52 am »
Thanks for the expert analysis, TravelGuru.com.  ::)

Perhaps you and Mrs Squid and the little Squids aren't affected by fuel prices, but for most people it's a big factor. Especially for communities outside the Vancouver/Victoria area where everything arrives by road.

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For people inside Vancouver, everything arrives by road. How do they think stuff gets to stores?
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Re: Alberta provincial election
« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2019, 09:50:12 am »
Not at all.  That would be a civil case.  Nothing like that has been started, as far as iím aware.
It is only a civil case because the BC government is refusing to prosecute criminally. This is one more example of the BC government obstructionism which more than justifies a more forceful response from Alberta.