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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: YVR shooting
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2021, 05:08:15 pm »
The Indo-Canadian gangs have been shooting each other up at an alarming rate lately on the Lower Mainland.  The latest one was at the Vancouver International Airport in front of several witnesses, in broad daylight outside a relatively busy terminal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/burnaby-shooting-ihit-update-1.6020644

The police were shot at.  The criminals took off in a Honda Pilot, which the police failed in their attempts to stop, or even to follow.  They got away clean.  They found the vehicle several hours later burnt up.

What stellar police work.[/sarcasm]

It makes me realize the severe lack of security that is at our biggest airport where someone can shoot the place up and get virtually no resistance from the cops on site.  And the cops responding failed to come close to capturing them.   Iím pretty sure Vancouver has a police helicopter somewhere?  Maybe at YVR???


https://goo.gl/maps/5CGdMTsjjXVPxYYf7

There are very few ways in and out of Sea Island where YVR is located. 

Extremely pathetic law enforcement response.

Defunding the police should help this problem lol.

Airports are usually crawling with cops and border peeps with guns.  How do you shoot someone at an airport and get away?  It's laughable.  It's a mother effing airport, you'd think there would be, like, police helicopters or something around there.  I get that they didn't want to open fire and start a gun battle in a busy public but all you need is a copter.

I spent a July 4th once on the US west coast.  We went out to watch fireworks.  They had police helicopters roaming the skies in the city overhead anticipating bad stuff going down.  I thought it was pretty crazy, it also wasn't the safest area in the US.  It felt like a movie.  That's obviously not the society I want to live in either, but it goes to show how the US and Canada can go from one extreme to another in police enforcement.
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2021, 05:35:48 pm »
Little known 100% true fact about Graham:  I was once a gang member.

Myself and about 4 friends in my class formed the gang while we were in elementary school.  We didn't plan or commit any criminal activities, it was more like a social club.  We just thought it would be cool and impress the ladies (it didn't).  We had a gang name, and everyone had to do a specific non-criminal, non-sexual deed in order to gain entry as a member.

One time one of the guys in the gang was being as jerk so we kicked him out of the gang.  His feelings were hurt after being exiled.  Our teacher caught wind of it and made the decision to force us to break up the gang.  Our parents were informed.  The gang only existed for about a month in total.

Moral of the story:  join a gang, it's fun.
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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2021, 07:07:05 pm »
Defunding the police should help this problem lol.

Actually, it would.

Rather than chasing around minorities for minor infractions, and escalating these encounters so that it takes 5 or 6 cops, these same cops could be chasing actual criminals, or guarding the airport.
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Offline wilber

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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2021, 08:40:19 pm »
Actually, it would.

Rather than chasing around minorities for minor infractions, and escalating these encounters so that it takes 5 or 6 cops, these same cops could be chasing actual criminals, or guarding the airport.

Sure they would. Victoria bylaw officers won't go into parks with homeless people without a police escort.
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2021, 01:36:16 am »
When it comes to multiple firearms offences, public safety is at the bottom of the priority list.

in your statement you forgot to qualify the size of your blanket! In any case, your unqualified blanket statement is easy to state.

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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2021, 09:18:03 am »
in your statement you forgot to qualify the size of your blanket! In any case, your unqualified blanket statement is easy to state.

Police are constantly arresting people for breach of conditions only to re arrest them for breaching new conditions which no one expected them to keep in the first place. Itís the way out system works.
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2021, 10:43:51 am »
Sure they would. Victoria bylaw officers won't go into parks with homeless people without a police escort.
By the same token armed police probably shouldn't go anywhere like that without a psychiatric first-responder.  I'm pretty sure de-funding simply means allocating less funds towards conventional police so we can put money into something like the first-responder I mentioned.

I'd also like to see police cars being outfitted with surveillance drones that take off and hover above the scene of an arrest to provide a record from that perspective. 
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Offline wilber

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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2021, 11:29:06 am »
By the same token armed police probably shouldn't go anywhere like that without a psychiatric first-responder.  I'm pretty sure de-funding simply means allocating less funds towards conventional police so we can put money into something like the first-responder I mentioned.

I'd also like to see police cars being outfitted with surveillance drones that take off and hover above the scene of an arrest to provide a record from that perspective.

How much are you prepared to spend. I'm sure the police would like more drones as well.
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« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2021, 12:14:49 pm »
How much are you prepared to spend. I'm sure the police would like more drones as well.
How much are we spending after the fact in terms of investigations, inquiries, trials, preventing/putting down riots in the wake of policing disasters etc etc?

On another very related note I was calling for wearable police-cams about 20 years ago and pretty much calling for the same things for their political masters - our representatives IOW - for the very same reasons, transparency and accountability.  I suspect we would have moved a long way down the road of policing reforms by now if we'd done that too.  Our world would be a very very different and I think less dysfunctional place from our perspectives as governed people - people in power of course would have hated it at first.  By now though they'd be thinking little of it and taking it in stride the way police wearing cameras do.  Just about the most systemic wrong bar none in our society is the official avoidance of transparency and accountability on all levels and more so the higher up you go.  Police are just the tip of the inverted ice-berg parked above us.
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Re: YVR shooting
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2021, 12:56:57 pm »
How much are we spending after the fact in terms of investigations, inquiries, trials, preventing/putting down riots in the wake of policing disasters etc etc?

On another very related note I was calling for wearable police-cams about 20 years ago and pretty much calling for the same things for their political masters - our representatives IOW - for the very same reasons, transparency and accountability.  I suspect we would have moved a long way down the road of policing reforms by now if we'd done that too.  Our world would be a very very different and I think less dysfunctional place from our perspectives as governed people - people in power of course would have hated it at first.  By now though they'd be thinking little of it and taking it in stride the way police wearing cameras do.  Just about the most systemic wrong bar none in our society is the official avoidance of transparency and accountability on all levels and more so the higher up you go.  Police are just the tip of the inverted ice-berg parked above us.

Police are buried in paperwork to get charges even when things go right. Our whole system is one of obstruction.

Lets talk about body cams. I think they are a good idea but there are also privacy concerns that have to be addressed for everyone who might appear in recordings who weren't part of the incident. When will they be turned on and how long will the video be kept? Will video just be used in court or will it also be used for investigations etc?
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