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Offline segnosaur

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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2022, 04:23:24 pm »
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Anyone associated with the Wynne and McGuinty governments should not be elected Premier.
You want to clean house of all MPPs ?
Its not just that Del Duca was an MPP going back to the time of Wynn's government. Its that he was a member of the cabinet, and thus would have been a bit more privy to the scandals going on at the time.

A backbench MPP is largely a trained seal... its easy to minimize their role in various scandals.

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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2022, 04:46:27 pm »
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Removing rent controls is always hard. There's no painless way to do it. But its like pulling off a bandage... sometime its a painful thing that has to be done.
Why exactly?
To make more housing AVAILABLE, so that people have more options when they chose where to live?

To correct situations where landlords actually overcharge, because they realize that because of rent controls, they won't be able to INCREASE rents, so they instead charge more on day 1?

To ensure that the units that they are in are actually properly maintained?
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So that the poor can pay the rich is the best reason I can find.
You do realize (as I mentioned before) that not landlords are 'rich'. Many are middle class people, who may have renovated part of their house to rent to people for extra cash, or bought a house to renovate and rent out. And even the larger landlords are often owned by shareholders (who are often middle-class people who hold stock in real estate in their retirement portfolios.)
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The poor are ABSOLUTELY being squeezed here.  My friends have gone from paying 20-25% of wage on rent to 50% and still have had to leave the city.
Doug ford did not eliminate rent controls. He tinkered with them, but many/most units are still covered under rent controls. If your friends had to "leave the city", it is doubtful that "Greedy landlords profiting from no rent controls" is a major factor. The fact is, many people have to leave cities even when rent control exists.... simply because there aren't enough units available to them.

From: https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RentControl.html
Economists are virtually unanimous in concluding that rent controls are destructive. In a 1990 poll of 464 economists published in the May 1992 issue of the American Economic Review, 93 percent of U.S. respondents agreed, either completely or with provisos, that “a ceiling on rents reduces the quantity and quality of housing available.”1 Similarly, another study reported that more than 95 percent of the Canadian economists polled agreed with the statement. The agreement cuts across the usual political spectrum.... Swedish economist (and socialist) Assar Lindbeck asserted, “In many cases rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city-except for bombing."
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Economists have shown that rent control diverts new investment, which would otherwise have gone to rental housing...They have demonstrated that it leads to housing deterioration, fewer repairs, and less maintenance. For example...29 percent of rent-controlled housing in the United States was deteriorated, but only 8 percent of the uncontrolled units were in such a state of disrepair.


So most economists (be they left wing or right wing) have decided "rent control is bad", but for some reason the Liberals and NDP think somehow they are smarter than the people who actually study economics for a living.



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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2022, 05:51:35 pm »
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You do realize (as I mentioned before) that not landlords are 'rich'. Many are middle class people, who may have renovated part of their house to rent to people for extra cash, or bought a house to renovate and rent out. And even the larger landlords are often owned by shareholders (who are often middle-class people who hold stock in real estate in their retirement portfolios.)

MH thinks that anyone outside the GTA who don’t have to spend 60% of their income on housing are rich.  If he had a bit more equity built up, I am guessing he wouldn’t be in favour of the government taking everyone’s property away. 

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2022, 07:53:48 pm »
You want to clean house of all MPPs ?

For the Liberals, why not?  At least anyone in cabinet.
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2022, 07:57:07 pm »
Doesn't Toronto have very strong rent controls where a landlord can only up the rent on an annual basis by around 1.5% for a returning tenant?

The rent situation is a fallout of the housing situation.  If the apartment you're staying in is worth more I assume you're going to pay more rent.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2022, 03:53:24 pm »
That's a fallacy, nipples.  Lots of housing is being produced, and as far as I can tell more than enough to account for population growth.

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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2022, 08:46:50 pm »
That's a fallacy, nipples.  Lots of housing is being produced, and as far as I can tell more than enough to account for population growth.

I think I made a counter-argument to your thesis a couple months ago on the other board.
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2022, 08:27:02 am »
That's a fallacy, nipples.  Lots of housing is being produced, and as far as I can tell more than enough to account for population growth.

Can I be the nerd and ask for a cite on that?

Lots of development is happening, but it's not the type of housing that someone who's interested in renting may be able to live in.

I was able to rent affordably because the family that I rented from owned the Condo outright. But if you're buying a home as an investment property you have to make a profit above an beyond

1) A mortgage
2) Taxes
3) Likely Condo Fees

It can make renting more expensive.

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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2022, 10:01:31 am »
Can I be the nerd and ask for a cite on that?

Lots of development is happening, but it's not the type of housing that someone who's interested in renting may be able to live in.

I was able to rent affordably because the family that I rented from owned the Condo outright. But if you're buying a home as an investment property you have to make a profit above an beyond

1) A mortgage
2) Taxes
3) Likely Condo Fees

It can make renting more expensive.

Discussion is here - April 7th and 8th

https://repolitics.com/forums/topic/42058-capital-gains-tax-on-primary-residences/page/3/#comment-1493417

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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2022, 02:46:18 pm »
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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2022, 04:00:05 pm »
Your cite is the forum most of us are banned from?  LOL

Well, yeah...

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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2022, 08:08:02 am »
Del Duca used the Thunder Storm in Ontario to try and score political points. Saying that he was "suspending" his campaign to survey the damage. Then proceeds to have a press conference criticizing the premiere.

During a Blizzard in the Toronto area, this winter, DoFo was helping people who were stuck in the snow. He was also criticized for this.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

Del Duca is totally cringe.

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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2022, 11:50:45 pm »
Who’s winning?

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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2022, 05:58:42 am »
Who’s winning?

Looking like a Ford majority
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Re: 2022 Ontario Election
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2022, 10:08:38 am »
Del Baldy might lose his seat.

Is their precedent for a party being able to form a government, but their leader not being elected?