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oh my!

So apparently O'Toole is trying to boot Derek Sloan from the party for accepting a donation of $131 from a known white supremacist who has chummed with neo-nazis:

Elections Canada records show a 'Frederick P. Fromm' donated $131 to Sloan in August 2020... one of some ~ 13,000 separate donations made to Sloan's campaign run for the leadership of the CPC. Sloan states he wasn't aware, highlights the name distinction (not Paul Fromm) and puts a degree of onus on 'his team' for not recognizing the donor name.

Quote from: Blustering and outraged CPC leader, Erin O'Toole
Derek Sloan's acceptance of a donation from a well-known white supremacist is far worse than a gross error of judgment or failure of due diligence.

Sloan also emphasizes the CPC's expectation of an excessive standard of donor scrutiny; one the CPC doesn't even have as it:
=> accepted 10% of the donation
=> accepted the donor's party membership request / granted the donor membership in the CPC
=> allowed the donor to vote in the CPC  leadership election

 ;D
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Chretien brought in an unpopular, but very effective, way of publicly funding political parties.  It took away corporate and union donations and limiting single donations to a very small amount.  It worked very well at minimal cost to taxpayers, but Harper got rid of it. 

Harper strengthened the donation rules, thankfully. He was actually the one that lowered the personal donation limit to $1000 (indexed to inflation) per person. Chretien was the one that got rid of corporate and union donations, and slashed limits to $5000.

On the other hand, Harper selfishly got rid of the per vote subsidy for political parties. It was a great way for every vote to count, even in a FPTP system.

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Canadian Politics / Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Last post by Gorgeous Graham on January 18, 2021, 09:14:03 pm »
Chretien brought in an unpopular, but very effective, way of publicly funding political parties.  It took away corporate and union donations and limiting single donations to a very small amount.  It worked very well at minimal cost to taxpayers, but Harper got rid of it. 

I think Harper was of the opinion that money should do the talking in politics.    I think that’s still the CPC position and also the Liberal position these days.

I looked at my the list of political donations to my local city counselor.  It was filled with people connected to real estate development.  I guess when housing developers want to obtain the green light to develop more land for it pays to grease the palms a bit.  Donations were limited too but CEOs would put donations through all their family members.
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Canadian Politics / Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Last post by the_squid on January 18, 2021, 08:40:20 pm »
So apparently O'Toole is trying to boot Derek Sloan from the party for accepting a donation of $131 from a known white supremacist who has chummed with neo-nazis:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7584508/derek-sloan-erin-otoole/

I think the boot is arguably reasonable, assuming Sloan indeed knew he received this donation from a white supremacist with neo-nazi ties, which Sloan is denying per above.  Maybe this is just the last straw and Sloan has been a thorn in their side for a while.

After the crazy crap from this guy, they’re now looking for any excuse to give him the boot...   if it was the normal batshit crazy religious/conspiracy nonsense from this guy, the CPC would look like they weren’t “accepting of other views”, and may alienate some of their batshit crazy supposrters.

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I'm just wondering why politicians aren't raked over the coals more for all sorts of corrupt and dirty donations they receive all the time from various sources.

Chretien brought in an unpopular, but very effective, way of publicly funding political parties.  It took away corporate and union donations and limiting single donations to a very small amount.  It worked very well at minimal cost to taxpayers, but Harper got rid of it. 

I think Harper was of the opinion that money should do the talking in politics.    I think that’s still the CPC position and also the Liberal position these days.
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Canadian Politics / Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Last post by Gorgeous Graham on January 18, 2021, 07:46:54 pm »
So apparently O'Toole is trying to boot Derek Sloan from the party for accepting a donation of $131 from a known white supremacist who has chummed with neo-nazis:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7584508/derek-sloan-erin-otoole/

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Conservative Party Leader Erin O’Toole says he has initiated the process to remove MP Derek Sloan from the party’s caucus after he accepted a donation from a “well-known white supremacist,” Paul Fromm.
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“Racism is a disease of the soul, repugnant to our core values,” O’Toole said.  “It has no place in our country. It has no place in the Conservative Party of Canada. I won’t tolerate it.”
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In a series of tweets, Sloan said he became aware of the donation Monday afternoon, saying Fromm, “a person with known connections to racist groups, donated $131 to my campaign.”  Sloan said, “at no time was I ever aware of this donation,” adding that his campaign received over 13,000 separate donations, which were handled by volunteers.

I think the boot is arguably reasonable, assuming Sloan indeed knew he received this donation from a white supremacist with neo-nazi ties, which Sloan is denying per above.  Maybe this is just the last straw and Sloan has been a thorn in their side for a while.

I'm just wondering why politicians aren't raked over the coals more for all sorts of corrupt and dirty donations they receive all the time from various sources.
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The World / Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Last post by JMT on January 18, 2021, 05:05:51 pm »
Might have to do with retooling the Belgium plant.

It seems they're retooling the plant to increase the ability to deliver vaccines in Q2. It might mean that after this delay, we're able to get our allotment faster.
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The World / Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Last post by JMT on January 18, 2021, 05:05:02 pm »
Alberta is out of vaccine today or tomorrow.

Unfortunately, there doesn't yet seem to be firm data from Pfizer. Alberta is going a bit too fast for the pre February supply. This will make it more stop/start.
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The World / Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Last post by the_squid on January 18, 2021, 03:59:53 pm »
Alberta is out of vaccine today or tomorrow.
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Canadian Politics / Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Last post by waldo on January 18, 2021, 12:21:08 pm »
Kenney 'slightly' dusting off the ethical oil position... while also threatening legal avenues. Kenney has no qualms in speaking for, "a country that takes the challenges of climate change seriously", while also positioning to extend upon his UCP government's rescind of the decades-old policy that banned open-pit coal mines in Rockies and Foothills

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The World / Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Last post by cybercoma on January 18, 2021, 12:18:28 pm »
Some disappointing news. Yesterday, they talked about up to 20M people being vaccinated by May - June, but today they're talking about 13M people. I'm not sure what's up with that.
Might have to do with retooling the Belgium plant.
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