How someone looks has no bearing on whether they pose a safety risk or not? You're conflating "discomfort with someone who doesn't look feminine enough" with a threat to safety.
When you say " I's not whether women have the right to know they're in the presence of a trans individual they can't detect, it's whether they have the right to object when some obviously male person wanders in" you're acknowledging that the issue is one of perception based on looks and not the probability of harm.
If some modest number of trans women can "stealth" their way through women's spaces, that's one thing. Few male people (especially those who aren't highly dedicated) are going to be able to do that. Creepy Joe down the street isn't going to be able to pull off a Blaire White no matter how much lipstick he buys. It's still a women's space even if Blaire White was born male.
But if the bar gets set so low that any male can enter without objection, then there isn't actually any such thing as women's spaces anymore. That's a negative for women.
When 99.9% of this stuff has no bearing or impact on the world at large, it's impossible to see terfs as anything buts an obsessive subculture with a victim fetish, the kind of people who elevate Tumblr posts into the next great existential threat to civilization. But hey at least they offer community, but then so does QAnon.
You said TERFs only care about trans stuff, I told you they don't. Now you say that TERFs only care about unimportant stuff and Tumblr posts, and that isn't true either. At this point it's starting to feel like arguing with an 8 year old.
If you're more concerned about being called transphobic than you are about your personal safety, you're probablynot all that concerned about your safety.
You asked why women don't complain about creeps. Were you suggesting they file these complaints while they're in the shower with creeps? Obviously she gets herself out of that situation as quickly and safely as possible. We were talking about what she does AFTER that.
And once her immediate safety is taken care of, she has to decide what to do next. And yeah: between engaging in a likely futile and potentially dangerous attempt to "help weed out creeps" or taking her business elsewhere, it's an easy choice.
I didn't see anything indicating they changed their policy on genitals so it doesn't seem like the trans witch hunters are very effective.
My recollection is that the Body Blitz spa changed their policy to allow trans women in, and also to change their clothing-optional policy to a bottoms mandatory policy.
The exact same battle was fought this past week in Australia at the McIver Ladies Baths, soon to be the McIver Are Dongs Welcome Baths.
And because of that, your solution is to discriminate against all trans people, so you can see the problem
We discriminate against men too. Most men aren't creeps or predators, but we don't let men into women's spaces either. Most men seem to understand that this discrimination is for women's benefit and don't take it as a personal slight.
-k
Home
Contact
Login
Register
Recent Posts