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Canadian Politics / Re: TECK FRONTIER pulls out
« Last post by John Mark Taylor on Today at 01:32:52 pm »
The $13 billion figure is not per capita, and provinces contributing more than they receive is ambiguous.

OLO

Correct - individual taxpayers make the contributions.  Equalization transfers come from all of us.
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Canadian Politics / Re: TECK FRONTIER pulls out
« Last post by ?Impact on Today at 01:28:21 pm »
You mean the differences between apples and apples per capita? lol

The $13 billion figure is not per capita, and provinces contributing more than they receive is ambiguous.

OLO
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Provincial and Local Politics / Re: BC v Wet'suet'en
« Last post by ?Impact on Today at 01:25:26 pm »
There have been many protests, and they all have been different. From what I understand, the ones in Ontario started in early February and the injunction was obtained a few days later. I also understand that the Ontario protests in the early days did not actually block the rail line, but were beside it on the public road allowance. I don't know the date they started a physical blockade, and how long before the police issued their warning. I believe it was only a day or two at the most between the OPP issuing the warning and actually enforcing the injunction.

If were are trying to tie events together, like Trudeau making his statement that the injunctions must be respected, then lets make sure we are tying all other events as well. Doing something in a vacuum does not prove anything. I haven't really paid close attention to this entire mess, and it is happening in at least 4 places across the country all with different parameters.
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Canadian Politics / Re: TECK FRONTIER pulls out
« Last post by MAGA Graham on Today at 01:21:32 pm »
You mean the differences between apples and apples per capita? lol
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Provincial and Local Politics / Re: BC v Wet'suet'en
« Last post by waldo on Today at 01:14:25 pm »
whaaaa! Surely angryAndy couldn't have been aware of this - and why would he be trusted with it!

Behind CN, CP's quiet deal to skirt railway blockades and keep Canada's vital goods moving

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Quiet talks brokered by a government desperate to stop a growing economic threat led to two rail rivals coming together with a workaround to bypass the Tyendinaga blockade site.

Since last week, Canada's two largest railways — CN and Canadian Pacific — have been quietly sharing their rail lines to transport essential supplies to communities in need, according to multiple government, CN and industry sources.
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Canadian Politics / Re: TECK FRONTIER pulls out
« Last post by ?Impact on Today at 01:10:23 pm »
Quebec receives 13 billion in equalization. Per capita it receives about $2000 more from Ottawa than it contributes in revenues. Only four provinces contribute more than they receive, Ontario, Alberta, BC and Saskatchewan. Per capita, Albertans contribute the most by far, about $5000.

Do you really think I can't tell the difference between apples and oranges?
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Canadian Politics / Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Last post by John Mark Taylor on Today at 01:07:36 pm »
So because they make the most money their concerns, like losing jobs, are illegitimate?  There's been a lot of people all over Canada who have moved to AB for jobs the last couple of decades.

Who said that their concerns are illegitimate?  Actually, many of them are.  They're acting as if they live in some dystopian wasteland.  They're acting as if they're not still the wealthiest province.  If they have a government revenue problem, they have an option that every other province has taken up in the form of a PST.

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I also don't see how any of the economic hits they've taken is self-inflicted.  They had a 7% unemployment rate in the last month of 2019, Manitoba was 5% and Canada overall was 5.6%.

They relied primarily on one industry.  That industry is sun-setting at the price point that it requires to operate in Alberta.  Albertans have to deal with reality.
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Provincial and Local Politics / Re: BC v Wet'suet'en
« Last post by waldo on Today at 12:06:05 pm »
member Granny, speaking of the internal divisiveness within the Wet'suet'en, let's not have this waldoGem buried too deep before you get a chance to comment on it... cause surely you weren't ignoring it, right?  ;D

12 part twitter thread unrolled: "It's factually inaccurate to say the {Wet'suet'en} hereditary system is universally opposed {to the CGL gas pipeline}"


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Provincial and Local Politics / Re: BC v Wet'suet'en
« Last post by wilber on Today at 12:05:26 pm »
Waldo, if you expect me to take your comments seriously - increasingly unlikely - you have to stop saying ridiculous things.

A provincial injunction can always be appealed to the appellate court, and to the Supreme Court of Canada to determine it's constitutionality.

That wasn't done by the Wet'suet'en,  but it could have been.

Constitutionality always takes precedence.

Your statement, "nothing to do with the Constitution" is absurd.

Breaking the law is not constitutional. The courts ruled and until that ruling is changed, it is the law. Rather than appealing the ruling the Wet'suet'en are choosing to break the law. If they are not prepared to follow the law, the existing law needs to be enforced.
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Provincial and Local Politics / Re: BC v Wet'suet'en
« Last post by waldo on Today at 12:02:32 pm »
Waldo, if you expect me to take your comments seriously - increasingly unlikely - you have to stop saying ridiculous things.

A provincial injunction can always be appealed to the appellate court, and to the Supreme Court of Canada to determine it's constitutionality.

That wasn't done by the Wet'suet'en,  but it could have been.

Constitutionality always takes precedence.

Your statement, "nothing to do with the Constitution" is absurd.

 ;D considering all the focus had been on protestors interfering with the national/provincial economies, how surprising is it you deflect from the rail blockades, from the port blockades... back on over to the Wet'suet'en blockades that have, effectively, been given short-shrift throughout this thread! Nice try though! But hey, if you think the rail/port blocking protestors can take their cases to the SCOC seeking remedy to allow them to keep messin' with Canada's national/provincial economies, good on ya! I mean, who should be surprised at anything you say after your most gleeful statement emphasizing, as you did, "how easy it is to shut down Canada". 

as for the Wet'suet'en blockade and the B.C. court injunction granted to CGL... that reads, "The defendants may genuinely believe in their rights under Indigenous law to prevent the plaintiff from entering Dark House territory, but the law does not recognize any right to blockade and obstruct the plaintiff from pursuing lawfully authorized activities"

of course what you're not transparent about in your personal 'unfair dealings' is that a prior interim injunction had already been in place for "a year or so"... and the RCMP were stationed there in proximity enforcing that interim injunction. More about that judges order granting the most recent injunction:

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The judge's order confirms an interim injunction that has been in place for the last year, and includes an order providing RCMP with the power to enforce it.

"In the face of the interim injunction order, the defendants refused to voluntarily comply with the order and enforcement action by the RCMP, as well as ongoing RCMP presence, was required to ensure compliance," Church wrote.

The judge said the company has all the necessary permits and authorizations, and had met the legal tests for an injunction.

and as I read/interpret, it's the same 2 hereditary chiefs involved in CGL seeking the prior interim injunction as were served with the latest injunction. The same 2 hereditary chiefs with the "loudest voices" drowning out all the other hereditary chiefs in favour of the CGL pipeline... drowning out the Band Chiefs in favour of the CGL pipeline... drowning out the Band Councils in favour of the CGL pipeline... drowning out the very majority of the Wet'suet'en people who are in favour of the CGL pipeline.
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