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The World / Re: Outbreak Culture
« Last post by the_squid on Today at 02:55:43 am »
More than Ontario though?  They have twice the cases as ON.

Ontario is lagging behind the country in testing for the virus, so don’t put too much stock in the lower numbers.  The low numbers are due to Ford gov’t incompetence in actually knowing what’s happening...   except he’s being pretty honest about the situation. 

 
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As Ontario announced 426 more cases of COVID-19 on Wednesday, a 22 per cent daily increase, officials in the province offered stark warnings of what is coming. “There’s very little separating what we will face here in Ontario from the devastation we’ve seen in Italy and Spain,” said Ontario Premier Doug Ford. “We know a surge is coming.”


In Ontario, politicians and public health experts are facing increased criticism, in part because, while the number of cases surge, the province’s low rate of testing is far short of Alberta and British Columbia on a per capita basis, and nearly half that of Canada as a whole. On Monday, the province removed the statistic on its testing backlog from its public website, only to return it after an outcry on social media. (It is down to about 3,000 from more than 10,000 in the last few days.)


https://www.macleans.ca/society/health/coronavirus-in-canada-these-charts-show-how-our-fight-to-flatten-the-curve-is-going/
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Canadian Politics / Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Last post by John Mark Taylor on Today at 01:16:31 am »
Interesting, I thought they had put in for September for unlimited budget power, but I guess that was just a proposal.  I'd be ok with September.  Or at least like 3 months, and then extend it if need be.

The powers they ended up with were very narrow And until June.  It’s all the Conservatives would agree to.  The Bloc was willing to go with all spending and taxing power until September.  Now the Conservatives are blaming the government for writing a narrow bill.  You can’t make it up.
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The World / Re: Outbreak Culture
« Last post by Spectre of Graham on April 01, 2020, 10:32:46 pm »
significant ties to New York and France; after Feb 28 as last school day, thousands of Quebec spring-breakers drove into the U.S. and flew to Europe/Caribbean on holiday

More than Ontario though?  They have twice the cases as ON.

Did Quebec cancel schooling on Feb 28 you're saying?
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Canadian Politics / Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Last post by Spectre of Graham on April 01, 2020, 10:24:46 pm »

More evidence that having government own the utilities, like electrical power, is beneficial for society as a whole, rather than for-profit corporate ownership.

Alberta is going to allow for deferral of electrical bills...   sounds great, right?  Well...   you’ll still owe money to the electrical company, you just will be able to defer the costs until later.   That for-profit company is still going to be paid.

BC owns the electrical company and will be giving 3 months relief to many people and businesses.  These costs will be absorbed by taxpayers as a whole, to spread out the pain, so to speak.

I’m not going full Marxist here....   but clearly, there are benefits to government ownership of resources, utilities, etc.   Unfortunately, the last BC Liberal (conservative) government reversed some of these.  I think we are going to need to be going the other way again in a big way after this crisis.

What's the difference in that and people not making rent/mortage or their car payments etc?

I think there's pros and cons and I don't totally disagree with what you say.  Also consider that in Ontario, the government screwed up the province's hydro system so bad that people will be paying out the nose for high rates for a long time.  As a result they're also producing a ton of extra electricity that isn't needed.  They also wasted billions on a canceled power plant due to corruption.

In cases now, if people don't pay the bills government can loan the hydro companies money or give people the money.
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Canadian Politics / Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Last post by Spectre of Graham on April 01, 2020, 10:15:21 pm »
Last week, if you recall, the CPC said that the Liberals were trying to grab power, with temporary measures that were seen as overreach.

This week, the Conservatives are all too happy to point out that Parliament needs to be recalled because the bill that was passed, in fact isn't broad enough.  It's almost as if the original bill was the one....

Interesting, I thought they had put in for September for unlimited budget power, but I guess that was just a proposal.  I'd be ok with September.  Or at least like 3 months, and then extend it if need be.
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The World / Re: Outbreak Culture
« Last post by wilber on April 01, 2020, 08:57:40 pm »
Interesting that a Hasidic Jewish community in Montreal is under quarantine.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/boisbriand-releases-plan-to-enforce-quarantine-among-tosh-community/
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Canadian Politics / Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Last post by John Mark Taylor on April 01, 2020, 07:59:09 pm »
Last week, if you recall, the CPC said that the Liberals were trying to grab power, with temporary measures that were seen as overreach.

This week, the Conservatives are all too happy to point out that Parliament needs to be recalled because the bill that was passed, in fact isn't broad enough.  It's almost as if the original bill was the one....

I hate Conservatives.  Never again will I vote Conservative.  This crisis is beyond politics, and they are, beyond petty.
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The World / Re: Outbreak Culture
« Last post by waldo on April 01, 2020, 07:57:05 pm »
Does anyone know why Quebec's numbers are so high?

I thought maybe they're testing more but they seem to have the same criteria as ROC.

significant ties to New York and France; after Feb 28 as last school day, thousands of Quebec spring-breakers drove into the U.S. and flew to Europe/Caribbean on holiday
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The World / Re: Outbreak Culture
« Last post by Spectre of Graham on April 01, 2020, 07:55:55 pm »
They aren't stopping illegal border crossings - the US has simply agreed to take them back on a temporary basis.  But, all of this likely breaks international law.

It might, this is pretty grey area.  Forcing people to quarantine, stopping travel, and forcing businesses to close en masse isn't exactly constitutional either.
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Canadian Politics / Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Last post by the_squid on April 01, 2020, 07:53:44 pm »
Interesting....  I hope some folks smarter than me will look at the system we have and improve on it....   a capitalist system, minus the things that make it less useful in a time like this.  I was listening on the radio that up to a third of businesses in some areas will go under because they are so heavily indebted.  People borrow so much money to start a business where the margins are so small that they take years or decades to get out of debt.

And some strike it rich.

Both those things need to be more balanced.  There shouldn’t be grossly rich people and there shouldn’t be a need to go into mass debt to try and make money.   And governments will need a lot more money to provide services so that when emergencies happen, people don’t just lose everything when they can’t make money for 1 or 2 months.


More evidence that having government own the utilities, like electrical power, is beneficial for society as a whole, rather than for-profit corporate ownership.

Alberta is going to allow for deferral of electrical bills...   sounds great, right?  Well...   you’ll still owe money to the electrical company, you just will be able to defer the costs until later.   That for-profit company is still going to be paid.

BC owns the electrical company and will be giving 3 months relief to many people and businesses.  These costs will be absorbed by taxpayers as a whole, to spread out the pain, so to speak.

I’m not going full Marxist here....   but clearly, there are benefits to government ownership of resources, utilities, etc.   Unfortunately, the last BC Liberal (conservative) government reversed some of these.  I think we are going to need to be going the other way again in a big way after this crisis.
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