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Title: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 30, 2020, 07:55:15 pm
British GP is this weekend.  Sergio Perez, driver for Racing Point, has tested positive for COVID.  Hopefully it hasn't spread.

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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 30, 2020, 09:38:48 pm
Oh Oh, The British GP is one of the highlights of the season. One of the best tracks and the site of the first F1 world championship race in 1950.
Watching the cars go flat out through Maggots and Becketts is mind bending.

Wonder if he went home to Mexico during the two weak break.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 31, 2020, 01:03:49 pm
Hulkenberg taking over from Perez for British GP. Good to see him back, hopefully he can get that podium at last.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 31, 2020, 06:31:41 pm
Lance Stroll had the fastest time in practice...  hope that translates to the qualifying and race!

Good Canadian kid...

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 31, 2020, 10:52:50 pm
Lance Stroll had the fastest time in practice...  hope that translates to the qualifying and race!

Good Canadian kid...
The Racing Point is fast, it is basically last year’s Mercedes. Expect Hamilton to crank it up tomorrow but Stroll should do well.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 01, 2020, 02:39:25 pm
The Racing Point is fast, it is basically last year’s Mercedes. Expect Hamilton to crank it up tomorrow but Stroll should do well.

Stroll qualified well, but a bit below expectations.  Hope the race goes well for him.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2020, 10:11:01 pm
Third row is pretty good. Noris continues to impress and Hamilton makes everyone else look average. Again.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2020, 11:39:33 pm
Love Lando's new helmet, designed by a six year old fan

(https://www.thedrive.com/content/2020/07/lando-norris-helmet.jpg?quality=85)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: kimmy on August 02, 2020, 12:36:26 pm
vrooooom!

 -k
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 03, 2020, 01:19:20 pm
Mercedes running away with it again until Bottas has a tire failure two laps before the end and winds up 11th, Hamilton has the same tire fail on the last lap with a 30 second lead but manages to still cross the line 5 seconds ahead.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 03, 2020, 06:27:55 pm
Mercedes running away with it again until Bottas has a tire failure two laps before the end and winds up 11th, Hamilton has the same tire fail on the last lap with a 30 second lead but manages to still cross the line 5 seconds ahead.
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Quite a dull race, until the last 5 laps!   That was interesting.  There was a bunch of chatter about the tyres not being good enough that Pirelli put out, but who says the hard tyres have to last 50 laps.  It's better for the fans if they do wear out.  Apparently, the tyre compounds are going to be softer across the board for the next race, so it will make it interesting.

As much as Mercedes is far and away the better car this year, it's still very interesting with the rest of the pack.

Poor Ferrari....  ugh.  :'(
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 06, 2020, 04:51:34 pm
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Quite a dull race, until the last 5 laps!   That was interesting.  There was a bunch of chatter about the tyres not being good enough that Pirelli put out, but who says the hard tyres have to last 50 laps.  It's better for the fans if they do wear out.  Apparently, the tyre compounds are going to be softer across the board for the next race, so it will make it interesting.

As much as Mercedes is far and away the better car this year, it's still very interesting with the rest of the pack.

Poor Ferrari....  ugh.  :'(

For sure this weekends race will be a two stop which is great as far as I'm concerned. I wish they all were. Watching Mercedes win is getting a bit old. Really wish we could see Hamilton and Verstappen go head to head in equal cars. Hopefully the big changes for 2022 will even things up a bit, too bad Covid put them back a year. McLaren going back to Mercedes power might make things interesting.

Tyres eh. Is that the Brit in you or are you just speaking F1?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 08, 2020, 06:42:15 pm
Mercedes swap places on the grid and stand in Hulkenberg gets his neck in shape and qualifies the pink Mercedes third. Hope he can finally get that podium.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 08, 2020, 10:44:19 pm
Mercedes swap places on the grid and stand in Hulkenberg gets his neck in shape and qualifies the pink Mercedes third. Hope he can finally get that podium.

Not good for Stroll....   he better step up his game.  Right now, he looks far from one of the elite drivers on the grid.

Should be a good race tomorrow... from 3rd to 12th that is.  Mercedes is so far ahead of everyone else.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 09, 2020, 11:51:19 am
Verstappen and Red Bull make Mercedes look vulnerable. Great strategy and a great driver.
Stroll is fine, his dad owns the team.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 09, 2020, 01:46:56 pm
Verstappen and Red Bull make Mercedes look vulnerable. Great strategy and a great driver.

Vulnerable is a strong word. 

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Stroll is fine, his dad owns the team.

Not talking about his place on the team.  I want the Canadian kid to be a great driver....   

He had a decent race today, but not outstanding.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 09, 2020, 04:12:12 pm
Vulnerable is a strong word. 

Not talking about his place on the team.  I want the Canadian kid to be a great driver....   

He had a decent race today, but not outstanding.
They certainly look vulnerable when it comes to tire degradation. Hamilton had fewer laps ont his tires at the end but they were completely trashed compared  to Verstappen’s

I would like to see Stroll do well too. He has shown he can drive and won championships in F3 but moving up to F1 is like going from junior to the NHL and this is his third season in F1.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 13, 2020, 05:01:48 pm
Spanish GP is this weekend from Barcelona.  Not the best track generally, but given the heat and Mercedes’ issues with their tyres in hotter temps, it should make for a good race.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/13/later-date-for-spanish-grand-prix-means-three-hot-days-ahead/

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 14, 2020, 11:41:00 am
Spanish GP is this weekend from Barcelona.  Not the best track generally, but given the heat and Mercedes’ issues with their tyres in hotter temps, it should make for a good race.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/13/later-date-for-spanish-grand-prix-means-three-hot-days-ahead/

Not my favourite track either but better than Paul Ricard and it's stupid painted off zones.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 16, 2020, 12:57:40 pm
Not a bad race..  not the most exciting.... 

Great start and result for the Canadian Lance Stroll. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 16, 2020, 01:25:08 pm
Mercedes tyre troubles were supposed to give Red Bull an advantage today, didn't happen. After Verstappen's Red Bull, Racing Point the best of the rest. Solid race for Stroll. Finally a good race for Vettel.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on August 16, 2020, 05:42:56 pm
"Stroll is the son of billionaire Canadian businessman Lawrence Stroll "

Just thinking some nepotism may be involved here...  :o
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 16, 2020, 07:10:35 pm
"Stroll is the son of billionaire Canadian businessman Lawrence Stroll "

Just thinking some nepotism may be involved here...  :o
Of course, he owns a good share of the team and is the chairman of Aston Martin. The team will b rebranded Aston Martin.

The kid is a good driver though. It takes big bucks to get into F1 unless you are taken on as a development driver by one of the big buck teams. Strolls teammate Perez is sponsored by a couple of Mexican telecom companies.  Nicholas Latifi is the son another Montreal billionaire, the owner of Sofina foods. His dad also owns a chunk of McLaren.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 23, 2020, 09:17:30 pm
Williams sold to Dorilton Capital. Will retain the name but the end of an era. A sad end to the last family owned F! team. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 29, 2020, 01:15:59 pm
Spa this weekend, the world's greatest road course.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 01, 2020, 10:02:54 pm
Italian Grand Prix from the historic Monza track is this weekend.    I bet Ferrari are happy not to have fans at the track this year given their ineptitude. 

Great track though that usually offers up some great racing. 



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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 01, 2020, 10:07:37 pm
The first race where teams have to use the same engine mode for the whole weekend. No more party modes for qualifying and it will be interesting to see how it affects the grids. Renault looked quite strong last weekend and Monza is another high speed track.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 01, 2020, 11:52:44 pm
The first race where teams have to use the same engine mode for the whole weekend. No more party modes for qualifying and it will be interesting to see how it affects the grids. Renault looked quite strong last weekend and Monza is another high speed track.

I’m of the opinion that there should be A LOT less electronics, drive modes, etc in F1 cars.  It’s crazy.  I think they should get rid of tire sensors...  make them manage the race by driver feel.  Race engineers telling drivers when to do every little thing is getting ridiculous, imo.

Not to take away from Norris’ last 2 laps of this race, since every driver is coached like this probably, but this video shows how ridiculous it is now...

https://youtu.be/XgXo0509S28
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on September 02, 2020, 08:40:22 am
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 02, 2020, 09:07:51 am
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 02, 2020, 09:19:52 am
I’m of the opinion that there should be A LOT less electronics, drive modes, etc in F1 cars.  It’s crazy.  I think they should get rid of tire sensors...  make them manage the race by driver feel.  Race engineers telling drivers when to do every little thing is getting ridiculous, imo.

Not to take away from Norris’ last 2 laps of this race, since every driver is coached like this probably, but this video shows how ridiculous it is now...

https://youtu.be/XgXo0509S28

Going to a single engine mode will probably get rid of a lot of that, no party modes or push to pass but let’s face it, these are the most advance hybrid systems in existence.  As long as the tires they are using are so critical, I think they need tire monitoring. Wish they would go back to the days when tires went the whole race. You could still have a mandatory stop for a tire change and teams could adjust their strategy to get the best out of them. Maybe it isn’t possible with the downforce these cars generate.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 02, 2020, 09:21:47 am
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 04, 2020, 11:44:01 pm
Norris has a pizza helmet for Monza.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: kimmy on September 05, 2020, 03:23:38 pm
Norris has a pizza helmet for Monza.

I know what all of those words mean, but I still can't parse that sentence.

 -k
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 05, 2020, 10:44:26 pm
I know what all of those words mean, but I still can't parse that sentence.

 -k

His helmet is painted up as a pepperoni pizza. He says pizza is his favourite thing about Italy

The went through his qualifying lap compared to his teammate Sainz and the tiny things that make so much difference The difference between the two was 0.13 seconds. That 0.13 seconds was the difference between third and sixth on the grid. The difference between pole and second was 0.069 seconds.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: kimmy on September 06, 2020, 01:53:31 pm
His helmet is painted up as a pepperoni pizza. He says pizza is his favourite thing about Italy

Oh okay, now it all makes sense. First I was picturing something like the cheese wedges that Packers fans wear on their heads.  Then I was thinking maybe the Pizza Helmet was an honorary thing, kind of like the Yellow Jersey in bicycle racing.

The went through his qualifying lap compared to his teammate Sainz and the tiny things that make so much difference The difference between the two was 0.13 seconds. That 0.13 seconds was the difference between third and sixth on the grid. The difference between pole and second was 0.069 seconds.

I just did some quick math...  these cars can apparently go up to 340 km/h, and at that speed 0.13 seconds is a gap of 12 meters, which is about 2.5 car lengths.  So if they were racing next to each other it would look like a big difference.

 -k
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 06, 2020, 07:46:01 pm
That was a very entertaining race!   The underdogs came 1st, 2nd and 3rd in a topsey-Turkey race that had a bit of everything. 

Poor Ferrari...  they were dismal.

Great to see Canadian Lance Stroll on the podium in 3rd.  Unfortunately, he blew the re-start that occurred after the race was stopped by a big crash, otherwise he might have won it!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 06, 2020, 09:34:12 pm
Oh okay, now it all makes sense. First I was picturing something like the cheese wedges that Packers fans wear on their heads.  Then I was thinking maybe the Pizza Helmet was an honorary thing, kind of like the Yellow Jersey in bicycle racing.

I just did some quick math...  these cars can apparently go up to 340 km/h, and at that speed 0.13 seconds is a gap of 12 meters, which is about 2.5 car lengths.  So if they were racing next to each other it would look like a big difference.

 -k

Norris is becoming  known for his different helmets. At the British Grand Prix it was the one designed by the six year old.

Remember, it is a road course, not a straight line or oval, The fastest qualifying speed was 264 KPH average and that 0.13 seconds is the difference over a distance of 5.8 km. The difference between pole and second was seven one hundreds of a second.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 06, 2020, 09:39:07 pm
That was a very entertaining race!   The underdogs came 1st, 2nd and 3rd in a topsey-Turkey race that had a bit of everything. 

Poor Ferrari...  they were dismal.

Great to see Canadian Lance Stroll on the podium in 3rd.  Unfortunately, he blew the re-start that occurred after the race was stopped by a big crash, otherwise he might have won it!

Happy something good happened for Gasly but McLaren were the big losers. By allowing cars the cars that hadn't stopped to change tires during the red flag, they really penalized those who had stopped during the previous yellow. The race should have been a McLaren one two with Gasly third.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 07, 2020, 01:19:09 pm
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 10, 2020, 03:29:04 pm
Perez is out next year at Racing Point (Aston Martin) while 4-time champ, Seb Vettel, is in.  Perez will land on his feet.  Haas maybe?  He brings a lot of Mexican sponsorship dollars, and Haas, being an American team, may like that. 

What’s also going to be great is another historic marque being in F1 starting next year in the form of Aston Martin.  They had a very limited run decades ago, so they don’t have much history with F1.   

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Aston_Martin_DBR4_Mallory_Park.JPG)

What a gorgeous race car from simpler times!  (Much less safe times too....)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 10, 2020, 03:53:09 pm
That's interesting, I'm glad Vettel will still be in F1, I like Seb.  He has his moments but is a no BS kind of guy and a thinker. Haas or Williams for Perez would be my guess. The new owners of Williams might have different ideas about drivers. My guess is Russell would be safe because he is a Mercedes development driver and has done a good job in a terrible car. I also think he has another year on his contract.

Aston Martin didn't have much of a F1 history but the cars sure were pretty. So were the sports cars that did win at LeMans.

(https://img.hmn.com/fit-in/900x506/filters:upscale()/stories/2012/06/AstonMartinDBR1_1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 10, 2020, 05:32:47 pm
Prognosticators are mentioning Alfa Romeo as a possibility for Perez. Will Kimi retire or will they replace him? I don't see an Italian team getting rid of Giovinazzi, the only Italian driver currently in F1.

Racing Point (Aston Martin) must be rolling in cash if they can afford to dump a driver who brings big sponsorship bucks for a driver who demands millions in salary. An interesting fact about Vettel, he is one of the few (maybe the only) high profile athlete who doesn't do endorsement deals.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 10, 2020, 06:05:55 pm
Prognosticators are mentioning Alfa Romeo as a possibility for Perez. Will Kimi retire or will they replace him? I don't see an Italian team getting rid of Giovinazzi, the only Italian driver currently in F1.

Kimi is likely to retire.  I think Haas would be a better fit for Perez, but I’m sure any F1 team will do!

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Racing Point (Aston Martin) must be rolling in cash if they can afford to dump a driver who brings big sponsorship bucks for a driver who demands millions in salary. An interesting fact about Vettel, he is one of the few (maybe the only) high profile athlete who doesn't do endorsement deals.

Stroll is a billionaire with billionaire backers.  He bought Aston Martin to get the marque into F1.  Aston Martin wasn’t equipped to do anything like this until Stroll came along. 

I had no idea that Vettel didn’t do endorsements.  (Other than team obligations to their sponsors probably, right?).  I’ve always liked Vettel as a driver. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 10, 2020, 09:50:14 pm
Kimi is likely to retire.  I think Haas would be a better fit for Perez, but I’m sure any F1 team will do!

Stroll is a billionaire with billionaire backers.  He bought Aston Martin to get the marque into F1.  Aston Martin wasn’t equipped to do anything like this until Stroll came along. 

I had no idea that Vettel didn’t do endorsements.  (Other than team obligations to their sponsors probably, right?).  I’ve always liked Vettel as a driver.

Apparently Stroll owns 17% of Aston Martin but that probably makes him the largest shareholder. I found out about Vettel not doing endorsements in an article about the world highest paid athletes. He and Hamilton were the only ones in the top 40 although Verstappen and Leclerc will probably be on the next one .
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 13, 2020, 02:53:02 pm
Massive shunt by Stroll when his tyre blew!  *ouch*.  Lucky he walked away from that...   He was set for a podium too....  damn.

Very entertaining race again.  Great track.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 14, 2020, 12:47:25 pm
Crazy race, fantastic track. Awesome watching them go flat through that section between turns 6 and 9 with the G meter bouncing off of 5 during qualifying and well over 4 during the race. Hope they go back.

Stroll's shunt and the rolling restart mess were scary. Lucky no one was hurt.
I was really looking forward to the possibility of Max getting in amongst the Mercedes, but it wasn't to be.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 01:17:34 pm
Honda leaving F1 at the end of next year. What will Red Bull do for engines, back to Renault with McLaren going to Mercedes?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54383259
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 02, 2020, 02:26:31 pm
One of the world's most boring sports to watch now that it's been made relatively safe. Gone is the anticipation of seeing a huge accident with body parts strewn over the track.
However, the possibility is always there that the boredom can be broken for the faithful who persevere.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 02, 2020, 02:48:26 pm
Honda leaving F1 at the end of next year. What will Red Bull do for engines, back to Renault with McLaren going to Mercedes?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54383259

Well, if they don’t get a deal with Merc or Ferrari, then Renault is obligated to supply them with engines as they are the engine supplier with the least amount of teams on the grid using their engines.

At least, that’s my understanding from what I’ve heard.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 03:09:51 pm
One of the world's most boring sports to watch now that it's been made relatively safe. Gone is the anticipation of seeing a huge accident with body parts strewn over the track.
However, the possibility is always there that the boredom can be broken for the faithful who persevere.

There are still plenty of crashes, just not lethal ones.

I grew up watching the likes of Jim Clark, Bruce McLaren, Lorenzo Bandini, Ronnie Peterson etc. Trust me, I don't miss the killer years at all. There were 29 F1 drivers killed in the sixties and 18 in the seventies even though there were half the races in a season. Stewart had two team mates killed in one season and that is what prompted him to retire at the top of his game, even though he could have won a couple more championships. He knew he was on borrowed time. If that is what you are looking for, you aren't a fan of motor racing anyway.

I do miss the fact it was an era when privateers like Tyrrel could win championships with drivers like Stewart. Frank Williams was the last but their last championship was 23 years ago. Tyrrell and Stewart never had a written contract, just a handshake. Same with Moss and Rob Walker.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 03:20:28 pm
Well, if they don’t get a deal with Merc or Ferrari, then Renault is obligated to supply them with engines as they are the engine supplier with the least amount of teams on the grid using their engines.

At least, that’s my understanding from what I’ve heard.

Renault has really picked up their game when it comes to power and reliability. Let's hope so.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 02, 2020, 04:39:25 pm
Renault has really picked up their game when it comes to power and reliability. Let's hope so.

For sure Renault have improved.....   the last few races have been a good showing for them, especially Ricciardo. 

It just would be a bit ironic given the acrimony between Red Bull and Renault at the end of their time together.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 05:35:26 pm
For sure Renault have improved.....   the last few races have been a good showing for them, especially Ricciardo. 

It just would be a bit ironic given the acrimony between Red Bull and Renault at the end of their time together.

The Renault was pretty bad the first few years of this formula. Red Bull had a lot of engine caused DNF's and they were down on power. Now they look like a threat. I wonder if McLaren is having second thoughts about going to Mercedes next year. The cars will be basically the same so McLaren vs Racing Point (Aston Martin) and Renault will be interesting.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 02, 2020, 07:39:41 pm
No way anyone will have regrets with going to Merc. 

It would be interesting to see McLaren get to their old form and beat Mercedes while using Mercedes engines.  Maybe with the price controls coming to F1, this can happen now. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 04, 2020, 11:54:27 am
A ridiculous sport that has values that run contrary to the decent priorities of the world in this 21st. century. A virtual insult to those who can't feed their children enough to keep the children alive!

And perhaps the favourite sport of the extreme right!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 04, 2020, 02:00:03 pm
A ridiculous sport that has values that run contrary to the decent priorities of the world in this 21st. century. A virtual insult to those who can't feed their children enough to keep the children alive!

And perhaps the favourite sport of the extreme right!

If that is your criteria, what professional sport isn't?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 04, 2020, 02:43:02 pm
If that is your criteria, what professional sport isn't?

Some others but less so than car racing. Golf, but not in an active way.

Professional sports usually detract from the real meaning of 'sports'.

American football and basketball being especially egregious demonstrations of physical size the factor that makes the athlete. And hockey now being corrupted to make it the same.
That became necessary for hockey when Russians and Europeans started to be better at the game than Canadians.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 04, 2020, 03:08:47 pm
Some others but less so than car racing. Golf, but not in an active way.

Professional sports usually detract from the real meaning of 'sports'.

American football and basketball being especially egregious demonstrations of physical size the factor that makes the athlete. And hockey now being corrupted to make it the same.
That became necessary for hockey when Russians and Europeans started to be better at the game than Canadians.

How less so than auto racing?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 04, 2020, 03:44:16 pm
How less so than auto racing?

We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 04, 2020, 04:17:43 pm
F1’s carbon footprint is only 0.4% from the cars themselves.  Most of it comes from the transportation of all the cars/equipment to the tracks around the world.

THey have a plan to go carbon neutral, apparently...  would that satisfy your need for less emissions Montgomery?

And to say that auto racing, in particular F1 is a “right-wing” sport as if that somehow detracts from its value is asinine.  As long as the racing is entertaining, I don’t really care about the political stance of the people watching, or participating. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: bcsapper on October 04, 2020, 04:40:25 pm
We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.

The amount of chemicals required to achieve that distressing metamorphosis is a good enough reason to see the sport banned for all.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 04, 2020, 06:23:30 pm
We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.

F1 powerplants are the most efficient ICE systems in existence, over 50% thermal efficiency. If you drive a car, it is probably less than 30% efficient. F1's plan is to transition to synthetic fuels derived from recaptured CO2 combined with hydrogen.

As far as other emissions are concerned, they are probably less for 22 events a year than they are for hockey, basketball or baseball leagues playing over 80 games a year.

PS. There are 31 NHL teams that play 80 regular season games a year. That's 1240 games a year that involved an away team travelling to each one of them.

Plus playoffs.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 05, 2020, 12:23:56 pm
F1 powerplants are the most efficient ICE systems in existence, over 50% thermal efficiency. If you drive a car, it is probably less than 30% efficient. F1's plan is to transition to synthetic fuels derived from recaptured CO2 combined with hydrogen.

As far as other emissions are concerned, they are probably less for 22 events a year than they are for hockey, basketball or baseball leagues playing over 80 games a year.

PS. There are 31 NHL teams that play 80 regular season games a year. That's 1240 games a year that involved an away team travelling to each one of them.

Plus playoffs.

You're just trying to dodge the issue. That's not something I'm going to spend time debated with you because I see it wouldn't be worth the effort.


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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 12:55:44 pm


What issue am I dodging? I have pointed out to you that F1 is at the leading edge of technology with by far the most thermally efficient ICE powerplants in existence, with the intention of running them on synthetic carbon neutral fuels in the near future. I have also pointed out that because of the limited number of events it is likely much more carbon friendly than many other professional sports. You can put the entire F1 circus on a single 747 freighter to move it anywhere in the world for a race. All ten teams are located in three European countries, six of them in the UK so it ls not like they are coming from all over.

If you have an issue with facts, that's your problem, not mine.

There are many sports that don't particularly interest me and some that I just don't like but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, or that others shouldn't be allowed to enjoy them.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 05, 2020, 03:00:55 pm

What issue am I dodging? I have pointed out to you that F1 is at the leading edge of technology with by far the most thermally efficient ICE powerplants in existence, with the intention of running them on synthetic carbon neutral fuels in the near future. I have also pointed out that because of the limited number of events it is likely much more carbon friendly than many other professional sports. You can put the entire F1 circus on a single 747 freighter to move it anywhere in the world for a race. All ten teams are located in three European countries, six of them in the UK so it ls not like they are coming from all over.

If you have an issue with facts, that's your problem, not mine.

There are many sports that don't particularly interest me and some that I just don't like but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, or that others shouldn't be allowed to enjoy them.

Wilburrr, not burning fossil fuels for sport is always going to be more environmentally friendly than burning them in any manner. But otherwise I agree that they are clean burning engines because of efficiency/weight concerns.

However, I have offered up golf as being an environmentallly unfriendly sport as a runner-up to car racing. A clever person could maybe even turn that into the worst sport from an environmentally friendly POV.

But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 05, 2020, 03:07:38 pm
But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!

What a ridiculous comment.  Please provide some evidence for this.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 06:26:44 pm
Wilburrr, not burning fossil fuels for sport is always going to be more environmentally friendly than burning them in any manner. But otherwise I agree that they are clean burning engines because of efficiency/weight concerns.

However, I have offered up golf as being an environmentallly unfriendly sport as a runner-up to car racing. A clever person could maybe even turn that into the worst sport from an environmentally friendly POV.

But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!

!240 NHL games are played by visiting NHL teams every year. Those teams don't fly commercial, they use charters so that is 1240 extra flights a year to play NHL hockey. That also goes for major league football, baseball and basketball teams. Don't give me a bunch of bullshit about emissions from 20 cars doing 22 under two hour races a year. 20 cars with the most efficient hybrid systems in existence.

Do you believe in climate change science or not?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 05, 2020, 07:12:48 pm
!240 NHL games are played by visiting NHL teams every year. Those teams don't fly commercial, they use charters so that is 1240 extra flights a year to play NHL hockey. That also goes for major league football, baseball and basketball teams. Don't give me a bunch of bullshit about emissions from 20 cars doing 22 under two hour races a year. 20 cars with the most efficient hybrid systems in existence.

Do you believe in climate change science or not?

Then the NHL isn't environmentally friendly either, if you like? And yes, I believe in AGW but do you?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 08:13:50 pm
Then the NHL isn't environmentally friendly either, if you like? And yes, I believe in AGW but do you?

Sure I do but there are far more environmentally unfriendly sports than F1 racing, why don't you want to ban those too?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Omni on October 05, 2020, 08:20:50 pm
Trying to think of a more boring topic.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 08:34:41 pm
Trying to think of a more boring topic.
Ya well, your obsession with Trump can get a little old too.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 06, 2020, 12:15:08 pm
Ya well, your obsession with Trump can get a little old too.

It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 06, 2020, 12:43:56 pm
It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!

Formula 1 is extremely popular world-wide.  It gets Super Bowl-like TV audience worldwide every week or two for each race. 

471 million viewers on TV in 2019.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/480129/cable-or-broadcast-tv-networks-formula-one-f1-racing-watched-within-the-last-12-months-usa/

F1 Will change with the times....   it’s technology has always trickled down to road cars, at least somewhat.  It will eventually change to EV probably....   or perhaps another renewable fuel that still makes a lot of noise through an ICE.  Auto racing will always be around, even if folks like yourself don’t care for it.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 06, 2020, 12:56:19 pm
It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!


So you are about image, not reality?



You don't like golf but golf courses have the same environmental impact as an urban park and many of them are in urban areas. Would it be better to convert them all into more housing and commercial properties?

Skiing. How many thousands of hectares of forrest are cut down to provide ski runs in remote areas that can only be accessed by motor vehicles?

There are many sports that don't directly use fossil fuels which have bigger carbon footprints.

The world wide TV audience for F1 in 2019 was 1.9 billion people with 471 million unique viewers. Their social media followers were up 32% and their app had over 700 million views. 62% of new fans were under 35.

Racing will be popular as long as people drive their own vehicles. Face it, people will race anything, even lawnmowers.  Formula E is also gaining popularity and will continue to do so as more people buy EV's but battery technology doesn't yet allow hybrid or ICE performance over anything other than short races. All except two of its races are on street circuits, not proper race tracks.

I do agree that the more old school types of racing such as NASCAR and Indy Car will need to embrace new technologies to remain relevant.

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 06, 2020, 01:32:38 pm

So you are about image, not reality?



You don't like golf but golf courses have the same environmental impact as an urban park and many of them are in urban areas. Would it be better to convert them all into more housing and commercial properties?

Skiing. How many thousands of hectares of forrest are cut down to provide ski runs in remote areas that can only be accessed by motor vehicles?

There are many sports that don't directly use fossil fuels which have bigger carbon footprints.

The world wide TV audience for F1 in 2019 was 1.9 billion people with 471 million unique viewers. Their social media followers were up 32% and their app had over 700 million views. 62% of new fans were under 35.

Racing will be popular as long as people drive their own vehicles. Face it, people will race anything, even lawnmowers.  Formula E is also gaining popularity and will continue to do so as more people buy EV's but battery technology doesn't yet allow hybrid or ICE performance over anything other than short races. All except two of its races are on street circuits, not proper race tracks.

I do agree that the more old school types of racing such as NASCAR and Indy Car will need to embrace new technologies to remain relevant.

Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 06, 2020, 01:51:42 pm
Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.

I never brought you into this.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 06, 2020, 03:08:53 pm
Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.

Then perhaps stop responding?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 07, 2020, 12:06:49 pm
squid. Don't you miss the scream of a 3L V10 at 20,000 RPM? I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqaJKTRs-Kg
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 07, 2020, 07:24:59 pm
squid. Don't you miss the scream of a 3L V10 at 20,000 RPM? I do.

Yeah, the V10s sounded incredible.  Do you recall the HP compared to the current turbo V6s?

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 07, 2020, 07:37:27 pm
Yeah, the V10s sounded incredible.  Do you recall the HP compared to the current turbo V6s?

Around 900 I think, so about the same as the combined gas and electric motors on current cars. The electric motors and turbo chargers give the new cars a lot more low end torque and HP than the old normally aspirated engines.

How about this one from 1953.
1.5L V16 600 HP. When it ran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNoRlLlsD8

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 03:54:11 pm
Hamilton sets record, 92 wins. Who would have thunk Schumacher's record would ever been broken.

Like that Algarve circuit. Relentless, the corners just keep coming, lots of elevation changes with blind rises where they can't see the road in front of them. It must be really tiring to drive.

One thing about Covid and having to do almost all of the season in Europe. it means we have seen some great tracks that we don't normally see. It would be great if they could race at Algarve and Mugello more often.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 25, 2020, 05:35:23 pm
Hamilton sets record, 92 wins. Who would have thunk Schumacher's record would ever been broken.

Like that Algarve circuit. Relentless, the corners just keep coming, lots of elevation changes with blind rises where they can't see the road in front of them. It must be really tiring to drive.

One thing about Covid and having to do almost all of the season in Europe. it means we have seen some great tracks that we don't normally see. It would be great if they could race at Algarve and Mugello more often.

Lots of corners, but still some good passing and side-by-side racing.  Entertaining race.  Too bad Stroll blew it...  I know dad owns the team....  but I'm starting to think they might be getting rid of the wrong driver... 

Albon is not long at Red Bull anymore...  he is way too far behind Max.  Perez maybe?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 08:51:53 pm
Lots of corners, but still some good passing and side-by-side racing.  Entertaining race.  Too bad Stroll blew it...  I know dad owns the team....  but I'm starting to think they might be getting rid of the wrong driver... 

Albon is not long at Red Bull anymore...  he is way too far behind Max.  Perez maybe?

Perez has shown himself to be a top driver. He and Hulkenberg should both still be in F1. Perez should get a ride somewhere considering his talent and how much money he brings to the table. Stroll has had a rough few weeks with Covid and some DNF's that weren't his fault. The jury is still out but Perez is in a different league right now.

The Red Bull looks like a difficult car to drive and only Max seems able to tame it. Should Gasly get another shot? He sure is doing well in the AlphaTauri but can he tame the Red Bull? Perez and Max might be a really good pairing but I think Red Bull will be reluctant to give up on their young drivers. Perez at Williams maybe? Russell is their best driver and shows real promise but Latifi brings big bucks. On the other hand, Russell is a Mercedes protege and how much say do they have. The silly season is sillier than usual this year.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 25, 2020, 09:22:35 pm
Perez has shown himself to be a top driver. He and Hulkenberg should both still be in F1. Perez should get a ride somewhere considering his talent and how much money he brings to the table. Stroll has had a rough few weeks with Covid and some DNF's that weren't his fault. The jury is still out but Perez is in a different league right now.

The Red Bull looks like a difficult car to drive and only Max seems able to tame it. Should Gasly get another shot? He sure is doing well in the AlphaTauri but can he tame the Red Bull? Perez and Max might be a really good pairing but I think Red Bull will be reluctant to give up on their young drivers. Perez at Williams maybe? Russell is their best driver and shows real promise but Latifi brings big bucks. On the other hand, Russell is a Mercedes protege and how much say do they have. The silly season is sillier than usual this year.

If Merc were smart, they’d ditch Bottas in favour of Russell. He’s a great kid, great driver.  Bottas has proven to be a good wing-man.   Unfortunately, I don’t think Merc cares about having a great 2nd driver as long as they get the Constructor’s and driver’s championships.  They won’t want a great driver until Hamilton retires.  Very conservative, but they have a winning formula.  Look at today’s response to Bottas wanting to to switch to the soft tyre to try and  race Hamilton...  they kiboshed that idea on the pit-wall.

I am still holding out hope for Stroll.  I really hope he’ll be a great driver.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 09:38:53 pm
If Merc were smart, they’d ditch Bottas in favour of Russell. He’s a great kid, great driver.  Bottas has proven to be a good wing-man.   Unfortunately, I don’t think Merc cares about having a great 2nd driver as long as they get the Constructor’s and driver’s championships.  They won’t want a great driver until Hamilton retires.  Very conservative, but they have a winning formula.  Look at today’s response to Bottas wanting to to switch to the soft tyre t race Hamilton...  they kiboshed that idea on the pit-wall.

I am still holding out hope for Stroll.  I really hope he’ll be a great driver.

Bottas is in a tough spot. He is in the same position the team mates of any great driver. Being Hamilton’s or Verstappen’s teammate right now is like being Schumacher’s teammate back when he was winning five straight. Nico Rosberg was a heck of a driver but he only reason he beat Hamilton in 2016 was Hamilton had some really bad luck. I would like to see Russell at Mercedes though.

I give credit to Bottas for wanting softs, he knew he had to try something different. It means he hadn’t given up.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 09:42:17 pm
I’m looking forward to Ricciardo and Norris being on the same team. They are two of the biggest characters in the sport. Interviews with the two of them together should be fun.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 25, 2020, 09:43:31 pm
Bottas is in a tough spot. He is in the same position the team mates of any great driver. Being Hamilton’s or Verstappen’s teammate right now is like being Schumacher’s teammate back when he was winning five straight. Nico Rosberg was a heck of a driver but he only reason he beat Hamilton in 2016 was Hamilton had some really bad luck. I would like to see Russell at Mercedes though.

I give credit to Bottas for wanting softs, he knew he had to try something different. It means he hadn’t given up.

You forget, Rosberg also raced Hamilton hard enough that he would run into him, or force Hamilton to make mistakes...  Rosberg had no qualms of running Hamilton off the road, if necessary.    HUGE difference in how Rosberg raced him vs Bottas. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 09:54:20 pm
You forget, Rosberg also raced Hamilton hard enough that he would run into him, or force Hamilton to make mistakes...  Rosberg had no qualms of running Hamilton off the road, if necessary.    HUGE difference in how Rosberg raced him vs Bottas.

True, they grew up friends but that ended a year or so after they became teammates.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 11:57:27 pm
Back in the seventies, Edmonton had a road course on the north side of town, Edmonton International Speedway that hosted Can Am and Formula Atlantic races among others. I watched Gilles Villeneuve and Nico’s dad Keke Rosberg race against each other in Formula Atlantic before they made it to F1. It was great, back in the day when you could pull right up beside the track and watch from your car.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 14, 2020, 02:20:45 pm
Holy Moly, Stroll on poll in Turkey. The kid can drive in the rain. Perez P3. Good day for Racing Point.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 14, 2020, 08:14:46 pm
Holy Moly, Stroll on poll in Turkey. The kid can drive in the rain. Perez P3. Good day for Racing Point.

That was awesome!  Way to go Lance!  Wow!!  That should put a lot of the doubts to bed...  he needs to find consistency, but he can definitely bring it.... 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 15, 2020, 01:43:19 pm
That was awesome!  Way to go Lance!  Wow!!  That should put a lot of the doubts to bed...  he needs to find consistency, but he can definitely bring it....

Awesome race. Another Hamilton master drive, good to see Perez and Vettel on the podium again. Wrong tires at the wrong time really cost Stroll, he was so strong when it was still raining. That Turkish F-16 put on the best pre race airshow ever.

Sounds like Hamilton wants to go for eight. Would anyone bet against him?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 15, 2020, 07:50:24 pm
Awesome race. Another Hamilton master drive, good to see Perez and Vettel on the podium again. Wrong tires at the wrong time really cost Stroll, he was so strong when it was still raining. That Turkish F-16 put on the best pre race airshow ever.

Sounds like Hamilton wants to go for eight. Would anyone bet against him?

WTF???   That was awful for Stroll.  Bad call by the team.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 15, 2020, 07:59:23 pm
WTF???   That was awful for Stroll.  Bad call by the team.

A bad call cost Perez a podium in the last race, maybe that will bode well for Stroll in the next.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 29, 2020, 12:57:28 pm
WTF???   That was awful for Stroll.  Bad call by the team.

Damon Hill interview of Stroll. They couldn't figure out why he was so slow after the pit stop in Turkey. After the race they found a piece of front wing missing that they couldn't see while the the car was on the track.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 29, 2020, 08:35:24 pm
Damon Hill interview of Stroll. They couldn't figure out why he was so slow after the pit stop in Turkey. After the race they found a piece of front wing missing that they couldn't see while the the car was on the track.

Yeah.  Poor Lance.  Bad luck.

He was upside down today!! 

Not as bad as Grosjean splitting his car in half in a massive fireball!   Lucky he’s alive!!   

Crazy race today.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 29, 2020, 09:27:56 pm
Yeah.  Poor Lance.  Bad luck.

He was upside down today!! 

Not as bad as Grosjean splitting his car in half in a massive fireball!   Lucky he’s alive!!   

Crazy race today.

Ya, bad break for Lance but at least he will be racing next week. Wouldn't be surprised if Hulkenberg is in a Haas next race.

An unbelievable testament to the safety of today's cars. That would not have been survivable a few years ago, the halo protected him from decapitation, the Hanns device allowed him to absorb 50+G deceleration without breaking his neck and the capsule kept him from breaking both legs. He managed to crawl out of a fireball and climb over a barrier with nothing more than second degree burns on his hands and a leg and a some broken ribs. That was the scariest crash I have seen in years. My first thought was, ****, no one is walking away from this one. A huge sigh of relief when I watched him walk to the ambulance.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 30, 2020, 03:28:03 pm
Apparently Grosjean's only injuries were burns to his hands. He hit the barrier at 137 MPH and sustained 53G.

Interest BBC article if you haven't already seen it.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55124967
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 30, 2020, 08:45:01 pm
Apparently Grosjean's only injuries were burns to his hands. He hit the barrier at 137 MPH and sustained 53G.

Interest BBC article if you haven't already seen it.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55124967

Informative article, but a bit of a sensational headline.  There is no “soul searching” to be done... 

All there is to be done is analysis and improvement in the barriers. 

It’s an inherently dangerous sport.  There’s just no getting around that.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 30, 2020, 08:49:29 pm
Informative article, but a bit of a sensational headline.  There is no “soul searching” to be done... 

All there is to be done is analysis and improvement in the barriers. 

It’s an inherently dangerous sport.  There’s just no getting around that.

Ya, I agree the headline was a bit over the top but a good article none the less.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 01, 2020, 02:20:53 pm
Hamilton tested positive for Covid, won't be racing this weekend.

Should be a very interesting race. Hope they draft Hulkenberg to fill his seat and he finally gets a podium.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 01, 2020, 02:54:38 pm
Hamilton tested positive for Covid, won't be racing this weekend.

Should be a very interesting race. Hope they draft Hulkenberg to fill his seat and he finally gets a podium.

Bottas might actually beat his teammate this weekend....  or at least, he’s better!!!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 01, 2020, 08:04:56 pm
Bottas might actually beat his teammate this weekend....  or at least, he’s better!!!

They are just using the outer track this weekend. Long straights, not many corners.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 04, 2020, 12:18:30 am
Russell getting a shot with Mercedes this weekend. Hope the kid nails it.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 04, 2020, 03:21:52 pm
This track is going to be very interesting....

(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/Bahrain-Outer-Track/Sakhir-gp.png)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 04, 2020, 06:07:16 pm
Mini Monza?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 04, 2020, 06:14:35 pm
Mini Monza?

Remember the old Hockenheim where they would drive for what seemed like miles out into the forest?  That was a great track.... 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 04, 2020, 07:03:07 pm
Remember the old Hockenheim where they would drive for what seemed like miles out into the forest?  That was a great track....

Yes but I always think of that track as the place Jim Clark died.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 04, 2020, 08:21:03 pm
Yes but I always think of that track as the place Jim Clark died.

Almost every older track has that sort of history....   Imola - Senna and Ratzenberger....

Rindt and Petersen at Monza...

Bianchi at Suzuka...

I would take the risk if I was good enough to be an F1 driver...  It's not good they died, and it's a bit macabre to think about them dying for our entertainment...   but they did die doing something they were all passionate about. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 05, 2020, 12:46:12 pm
Did you watch Brundle's interview of Grosjean? Spine tingling how he processed the event as it was happening.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 06, 2020, 03:32:39 pm
What a wacky race. Fantastic for Checo. Nice to see a completely different podium. Mercedes team usually functions like a machine but when the wheels fall off, they go big.
Looks like Russell is no longer a star of the future, he's arrived.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 06, 2020, 05:36:38 pm
What a wacky race. Fantastic for Checo. Nice to see a completely different podium. Mercedes team usually functions like a machine but when the wheels fall off, they go big.
Looks like Russell is no longer a star of the future, he's arrived.

Yeah, that was nuts.  Good race. 

Bottas must be massively concerned...   a replacement driver kicked his ass.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 06, 2020, 05:57:53 pm
Yeah, that was nuts.  Good race. 

Bottas must be massively concerned...   a replacement driver kicked his ass.

Bottas keeps blowing starts and putting himself behind the eight ball at the beginning. He might have walked away with it if he had a good start and the pit crews didn't royally screw it up.

If Hamilton retires, what do you think about Perez and Russell in the Mercedes for 2022?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 07, 2020, 01:53:02 pm
Bottas keeps blowing starts and putting himself behind the eight ball at the beginning. He might have walked away with it if he had a good start and the pit crews didn't royally screw it up.

If Hamilton retires, what do you think about Perez and Russell in the Mercedes for 2022?

I want someone in Merc while Hamilton is still there who has the potential to actually beat him.  Merc doesn’t want that though...   they have the best of combination for them...  Hamilton the clear favourite, but with a wingman fast enough to help get them the Constructor’s. 

I like both those drivers a lot though!!  Perez deserves to stay in F1 with a big team, and Russell deserves something better than Williams.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 11, 2020, 10:13:58 am
Alonso takes his old Renault around Yas Marina this weekend. Boy do I miss those cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgv1iN9HR8
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on January 26, 2021, 11:33:05 pm
Perez to Red Bull. All the seat changes should be interesting.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 26, 2021, 11:48:57 pm
Perez to Red Bull. All the seat changes should be interesting.

Some “minor” aero rule changes might make things interesting for 2021.    2022 will be a brand new formula....  which will be very interesting.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on January 27, 2021, 12:11:52 pm
Verstappen/Perez in the Red Bull could be real a problem for Mercedes this year. No one knows aero like Newey. Really looking forward to 2022.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 27, 2021, 12:30:26 pm
Verstappen/Perez in the Red Bull could be real a problem for Mercedes this year. No one knows aero like Newey. Really looking forward to 2022.

Plus, the massive budget restrictions are really going to change the sport and allow other teams to be more competitive.  2022 is going to be really interesting.

I read an article that said not to discount the aero changes for this year too....   they are bigger than they seem.  But the article wasn’t sure which teams it might favour or hurt.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on January 27, 2021, 12:47:45 pm
Expect Russell to be in a Mercedes seat in 2022, maybe even earlier if Hamilton doesn't re sign.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on February 17, 2021, 07:57:33 pm
Alonso questionable for season start. Fell off his bike and broke his jaw.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on February 18, 2021, 05:27:21 pm
Alonso questionable for season start. Fell off his bike and broke his jaw.

Ouch.  That was dumb.

McLaren livery was revealed.  It’s not bad.

(https://motorsport-magazine.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/15172407/McLaren-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on February 18, 2021, 07:48:07 pm
I've loved the McLaren orange since the Can Am cars of the sixties.
If I could afford one, I think it would have to be orange.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/9b/f9/2b9bf95dfc630157de23fe49c057c7a5.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on February 18, 2021, 08:57:09 pm
I've loved the McLaren orange since the Can Am cars of the sixties.
If I could afford one, I think it would have to be orange.

Afford a McLaren modern road car?  Or a CanAm racing Mclaren?

I like the orange too...  I almost purchased the orange Miata “Anniversary Edition”.  Not quite a McLaren, but I think they’re still cool!

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2019-mazda-mx-5-miata-30th-anniversary-rf-02-1549559241.jpeg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on February 18, 2021, 09:27:16 pm
Very nice. How do you like the retractable hard top? Does it leave you enough room for a set of golf clubs.

Road car.

There used to be a small race car museum near the U of T. They had one of the McLaren M8's. Quite tiny when you see them in person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9hQqFIRA3E
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on February 18, 2021, 09:33:24 pm
Very nice. How do you like the retractable hard top? Does it leave you enough room for a set of golf clubs.


I almost got one.   I used to have an older model Miata.  Soft top.  Loved it.  I decided to go with something that I could drive year-round. 

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Road car.

I could see you in one of those....  haha

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There used to be a small race car museum near the U of T. They had one of the McLaren M8's. Quite tiny when you see them in person.

Sweet!  Good link!  Mika Hakkinen was my favourite driver of his era!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on February 19, 2021, 12:06:43 pm
I would go for  a Spider. Sports cars should have removable tops.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 05, 2021, 06:28:07 pm
Haas F1 is being propped up with Russian money, going so far as to run a Russian flag livery!  Looks good...  but ugh.  F1 needs to be carful about the corruption that comes with dealing with Russia....  sad that they can’t find any American sponsors who want to be in F1.

2 rookie drivers.  No money for development.  They better hope their Ferrari engines are a lot better than last year. 

(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/0ZRomeR0/s6/haas-vf-21-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 05, 2021, 06:29:33 pm
Aston Martin’s 2021 livery looks fantastic!

(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/6zQW48jY/s6/formula-1-aston-martin-launch--6.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 05, 2021, 09:21:23 pm
The FIA now thinks Grosjean suffered 67G in his crash.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/56296858
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 05, 2021, 09:29:58 pm
Haas F1 is being propped up with Russian money, going so far as to run a Russian flag livery!  Looks good...  but ugh.  F1 needs to be carful about the corruption that comes with dealing with Russia....  sad that they can’t find any American sponsors who want to be in F1.

2 rookie drivers.  No money for development.  They better hope their Ferrari engines are a lot better than last year. 

(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/0ZRomeR0/s6/haas-vf-21-1.jpg)

It's getting interesting. That front wing is pretty clearly a Russian flag.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/haas-f1-cars-russian-livery-raises-a-red-flag-at-world-anti-doping-agency/ar-BB1eia4d

Their rookie Russian driver is in a bit of hot water as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/04/formula-one-nikita-mazepin-huge-mistake
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 07, 2021, 07:46:14 pm
End of an era!  Mercedes has been the safety car and medical car in F1 for as long as I can remember....

Half of the races will have Aston Martin cars.

(https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/racefansdotnet-21-03-08-00-07-24-1.jpg)
https://www.racefans.net/2021/03/08/racefans-round-up-08-03-4/

The Mercedes will be red in the other races, rather than typical silver. 

(https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/racefansdotnet-21-02-19-10-40-04-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 07, 2021, 08:01:35 pm
Good grief, a red Mercedes. Did they get bought by FCA or Ferrari?

The Aston Martins in proper BRG will be cool.

I wonder if they will have the same drivers.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 07, 2021, 08:06:24 pm
Good grief, a red Mercedes. Did they get bought by FCA or Ferrari?

The Aston Martins in proper BRG will be cool.

I wonder if they will have the same drivers.

Also, the advertising...   huge ad on the Merc safety car.  But none on the Aston.

Good question about the drivers.  I would think it would be the same driver...  they’ve used the same guy for many years!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 07, 2021, 08:30:57 pm
Testing starts Friday. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 13, 2021, 06:17:13 pm
Testing starts Friday. Should be interesting.

Is Mercedes sandbagging it so far?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 13, 2021, 06:25:52 pm
Is Mercedes sandbagging it so far?

Who knows it's testing. Bottas was quickest today and Hamilton was near the bottom. They made some big aero changes to their floor because of the new regs. What works in the wind tunnel doesn't always work on the road.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 26, 2021, 09:39:56 pm
First F1 race of the year this weekend. 

One thing I don’t like about F1 is their penchant to go to countries that are undemocratic and with poor human rights records.  This move to the Middle East, Russia, Azerbaijan shouldn’t be happening. 

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 26, 2021, 10:36:55 pm
I wonder how qualifying will compare to practice today. The Red Bull looked very composed and Verstappen was quickest. Hamilton was close behind but the Merc looks harder to drive. Norris was pretty speedy.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 27, 2021, 02:26:14 am
I wonder how qualifying will compare to practice today. The Red Bull looked very composed and Verstappen was quickest. Hamilton was close behind but the Merc looks harder to drive. Norris was pretty speedy.

Hard to say....   looking forward to it.  I really hope a couple teams have caught up to the Merc. 

What would be kind of amusing, and sad, would be to see Perez be as far behind Verstappen as Albon and Gasly were.  I think that’s what I am looking at the most in the first few races. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 27, 2021, 09:09:11 am
Hopefully it is just Perez getting used to a new car. He had been driving what was basically last years Merc. The RB must be a bit of a change. Hopefully we will see more from Alonso as well. Occon is quicker right now and the Alpine looks pretty squirrelly.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 27, 2021, 01:33:08 pm
Hopefully it is just Perez getting used to a new car. He had been driving what was basically last years Merc. The RB must be a bit of a change. Hopefully we will see more from Alonso as well. Occon is quicker right now and the Alpine looks pretty squirrelly.

That was bad for Perez.  Terrible.  They should’ve sent him out on softs though.

Max is killing it. 

Ferrari did ok....  better than expected, but not great. 

Aston is mid-pack.  I was hoping for better.

Tsunoda killed it in Q1, then disappeared in Q2.  That was a bummer.   Gasly in  the Alpha Tauri did very well though.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 27, 2021, 05:44:38 pm
Might be an interesting race tomorrow. Mercedes still has some work to do.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 27, 2021, 08:17:44 pm
The Honda engine seems to have the upper hand now, the RB and Alpha Tauri are very quick on the straights and Newey is the most gifted designer since Chapman. It's only qualifying for the first race but RB is looking awfully good.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 28, 2021, 12:41:07 pm
Great drive by Hamilton and oh-so-close for Max.  Great race. 

Bottas wasn’t happy after the race with race strategy;  Seems Merc wanted him to pick up the scraps, but not go for the win.

It’ll be an interesting year. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on March 28, 2021, 03:26:00 pm
Awesome race, might be the best season in years. Botas was snake bit again, Mercedes need to work on their pit stops, they are giving RB at least three seconds a race even when they don’t screw them up. He had four year to go head to head with Hamilton in the best car, now beating Red Bull is the priority.

Hamilton just showed he isn’t a multiple champion just because he had a great car.

I guess it is Sir Lewis  now.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 17, 2021, 05:25:36 pm
2nd F1 race of the season is shaping up to be a beauty.  Mercedes on poll followed closely by 2 Red Bulls. 

Norris was so close to being up there....  he kinda blew it with going outside track limits though.  But that McLaren looks fast.  What the heck happened to Ricciardo? 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzLc78AVkAYCoWI.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2021, 05:42:49 pm
Norris continues to shine. Riciardo was having a bit of a struggle today but he qualified well in the last race. Bottas too. Max messed up as well. Perez showing what he can do in a good car.  Should be fun tomorrow.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 19, 2021, 11:31:34 am
Great race.  Hamilton got lucky with the red flag right when he made his mistake.  He lost hardly any time because of the red flag.  He would have been way further behind.

Perez blew his race.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 19, 2021, 01:12:43 pm
It was a good race. Max made a great start and Hamilton damaging his car on the first lap put an end to any serious racing between the two. We still haven't seen them really go head to head. Hamilton getting his car out of the gravel without getting stuck took some finesse. He screws up so rarely and he was really lucky with the red flag. He should buy Bottas a bottle of really good single malt. Norris continues to shine, gambled on soft tires and made them last. Is he making the McLaren look better than it really is? Don't know what was going on with Perez and Bottas. Perez was fast but kept screwing up and Bottas was just slow. Did he have issues because he crashed while being passed by a Williams of all things.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 20, 2021, 08:49:19 pm
We still haven't seen them really go head to head.

I think we just did!  They were side by side into turn 1.  Hamilton shouldn’t have tried the outside.  That was never going to work. 

It’s going to be an interesting season, especially if Bottas and Perez get their **** together.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 20, 2021, 10:10:17 pm
I think we just did!  They were side by side into turn 1.  Hamilton shouldn’t have tried the outside.  That was never going to work. 

It’s going to be an interesting season, especially if Bottas and Perez get their **** together.


It might have worked in the dry but a bad move in the wet, Verstappen just understeered right into him.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 22, 2021, 06:28:19 pm
Racing in those conditions is tough!!  Crazy.

https://youtu.be/JbdASdGXBnM
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on April 24, 2021, 09:46:03 pm
538 ranks F1 drivers through history

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/formula-one-racing/
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 24, 2021, 10:04:35 pm
Grand Prix of St. Petersberg is on tomorrow (IndyCar). 

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 24, 2021, 10:07:11 pm
538 ranks F1 drivers through history

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/formula-one-racing/

Coulthard at #10.  No damn way. 

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 24, 2021, 10:30:59 pm
Clark at 12 and Stewart at 20. Hard to take this thing seriously.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on April 25, 2021, 05:51:17 am
Grand Prix of St. Petersberg is on tomorrow (IndyCar).

Ah... Jimmy Johnson...
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 25, 2021, 08:20:55 am
Ah... Jimmy Johnson...
Heard he was taking a stab at Indy racing. Could be interesting. Not a NASCAR fan so I don’t know what kind of record he had on the two road courses they use.

Interesting. The language nanny didn't like the gun but was OK with the knife.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on April 25, 2021, 09:12:03 am
Pretty much everyone including him is  acknowledging that this is just a lark, however he is a legend, so it will be interesting to see how he does. He finished second last his first time out. Last place guy had crashed out
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 25, 2021, 10:04:09 am
I'll have to have a look. No F1 this weekend.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 25, 2021, 04:14:30 pm
Looks like no one showed Jimmy how to put an Indy car in reverse.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: cybercoma on April 28, 2021, 08:56:09 am
I don't know if anyone has mentioned by Montreal has been cancelled this year. Rumour is Turkey may replace it.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 28, 2021, 11:05:57 am
I don't know if anyone has mentioned by Montreal has been cancelled this year. Rumour is Turkey may replace it.

Cancelled due to Covid apparently. Not financially viable without fans. It is being replaced by Turkey.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 28, 2021, 12:46:17 pm
Apparently the missing two years has been added to the contract so Canada is now contracted to have a GP until 2031 so there will be future GP's. Looking at the upside, the next GP will be with the new formula.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on April 28, 2021, 12:50:21 pm
Apparently the missing two years has been added to the contract so Canada is now contracted to have a GP until 2031 so there will be future GP's. Looking at the upside, the next GP will be with the new formula.

So... Formula... 2 ?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 28, 2021, 04:17:41 pm
So... Formula... 2 ?

No, big design change rules for F1 in 2022. It was supposed to happen this year but Covid delayed them. Mostly regarding aero. It is very hard to pass with the present cars because they lose so much downforce as soon as they get close to the car in front. The reason these cars are so fast is because of the downforce they generate. So much that theoretically they could drive on the roof of a tunnel when at speed. The new cars will be a bit slower but hopefully they will provide better racing.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 28, 2021, 09:50:01 pm
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/56893938

This should be interesting. I hope it isn't the first step in F1 going NASCAR gimmick racing.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 28, 2021, 10:57:21 pm
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/56893938

This should be interesting. I hope it isn't the first step in F1 going NASCAR gimmick racing.

Hmmm...   I’m not sure how I feel about it.  Will it make the racing worse on Sunday if 3 or 4 cars crash out on Saturday?  I think it’s a worthy experiment.  I like that they are trying it in 3 races this year.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 29, 2021, 11:33:22 am
Hmmm...   I’m not sure how I feel about it.  Will it make the racing worse on Sunday if 3 or 4 cars crash out on Saturday?  I think it’s a worthy experiment.  I like that they are trying it in 3 races this year.

I'm wondering what's in it for the bottom teams, how much cash do they get? Not much point having all the extra expense if you are starting at the back of the sprint race just so you can start at the back of the GP.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 29, 2021, 02:42:11 pm
I'm wondering what's in it for the bottom teams, how much cash do they get? Not much point having all the extra expense if you are starting at the back of the sprint race just so you can start at the back of the GP.

Yeah, I was trying to think if I was Haas, would I bother running my cars at all in the Saturday sprint race?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 29, 2021, 03:44:10 pm
Yeah, I was trying to think if I was Haas, would I bother running my cars at all in the Saturday sprint race?

Will we see Haas, Alfa and Williams do one lap and pit in the sprint race? If they don't think they will do any better than in Friday qualifying they might as well.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 30, 2021, 11:48:20 am
Will we see Haas, Alfa and Williams do one lap and pit in the sprint race? If they don't think they will do any better than in Friday qualifying they might as well.

Except, they all voted to try this....   and I guess the same thing can be said of the regular qualifying session....    so maybe this will be a smashing success.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 30, 2021, 12:09:30 pm
Except, they all voted to try this....   and I guess the same thing can be said of the regular qualifying session....    so maybe this will be a smashing success.

That's why I am wondering what's in it for them. The chances of them gaining points or grid position aren't very good so there must be enough cash involved to make it worth while. Hopefully it will spice up the weekend, Friday practice is usually pretty boring.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 30, 2021, 12:45:43 pm
That's why I am wondering what's in it for them. The chances of them gaining points or grid position aren't very good so there must be enough cash involved to make it worth while. Hopefully it will spice up the weekend, Friday practice is usually pretty boring.

Maybe what's in it is the long-term growth of the sport so that it doesn't become boring?  Maybe they are looking beyond "what's in it for my team right now"...   but I dunno.  It could also be that the F1 commercial rights holder threatened them with something too! 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on April 30, 2021, 01:41:42 pm
Maybe what's in it is the long-term growth of the sport so that it doesn't become boring?  Maybe they are looking beyond "what's in it for my team right now"...   but I dunno.  It could also be that the F1 commercial rights holder threatened them with something too!

F1 needs ten teams and it really needs to get its costs under control to keep the ones it has and hopefully attract some new blood.
F1 can't afford to lose teams it can't replace. 20 cars isn't exactly a huge grid for any race and the sport is so expensive no team is going to support three cars.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 07, 2021, 09:32:34 pm
Classy move by Toto to make good on his promise at Grosjean's home GP..

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/56993145
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 08, 2021, 12:37:28 pm
Interesting qualifying in Spain today.  Should be a close race.

Brundle mentioned track limits and the stupidity that can exist if they aren’t enforced.  Here’s the example he was talking about:

https://youtu.be/a8XzXMLVS4U
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 08, 2021, 01:38:36 pm
Interesting qualifying in Spain today.  Should be a close race.

Brundle mentioned track limits and the stupidity that can exist if they aren’t enforced.  Here’s the example he was talking about:

https://youtu.be/a8XzXMLVS4U

That's crazy. Maybe there should just be the track and then gravel.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 09, 2021, 04:03:45 pm
Quite the race. It must suck to be up against a Hamilton/Mercedes combo. They just keep finding ways to win regardless.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 09, 2021, 04:10:45 pm
Quite the race. It must suck to be up against a Hamilton/Mercedes combo. They just keep finding ways to win regardless.

Good race, particularly in the mid-field and for the win.

Not having their 2nd driver (Perez) in the mix up front is hurting them again this year.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 10, 2021, 12:19:29 am
Good race, particularly in the mid-field and for the win.

Not having their 2nd driver (Perez) in the mix up front is hurting them again this year.



Sounds like Perez was under the weather the last couple of days. They get a week off now.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 10, 2021, 01:21:01 pm



Sounds like Perez was under the weather the last couple of days. They get a week off now.

He was too slow in the previous races too. 

RBR really needs that 2nd car up there to get into the battle...  to at least hold up the Mercs occasionally.

I think both teams will need to relegate Bottas and Perez to ‘wingman’ status.  There are 2 clear number ones for those teams.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 10, 2021, 01:44:03 pm
He was too slow in the previous races too. 

RBR really needs that 2nd car up there to get into the battle...  to at least hold up the Mercs occasionally.

I think both teams will need to relegate Bottas and Perez to ‘wingman’ status.  There are 2 clear number ones for those teams.

He has done better than previous RB #2's and it has a reputation for not being the easiest car to drive. It can take time to adapt to a new car and Perez was with the same team for years before he came to RB. Button said drivers are different, some can adapt to a car very quickly but he wasn't one of them, he needed a car adapted for him.

Perez isn't Verstappen but I think he will get more out of the RB as the season goes on.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 10, 2021, 05:56:45 pm
He has done better than previous RB #2's and it has a reputation for not being the easiest car to drive. It can take time to adapt to a new car and Perez was with the same team for years before he came to RB. Button said drivers are different, some can adapt to a car very quickly but he wasn't one of them, he needed a car adapted for him.

Perez isn't Verstappen but I think he will get more out of the RB as the season goes on.

RBR team principle confirms what I’ve been saying...

https://www.planetf1.com/news/christian-horner-desperately-needs-sergio-perez/

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 10, 2021, 10:16:53 pm
RBR team principle confirms what I’ve been saying...

https://www.planetf1.com/news/christian-horner-desperately-needs-sergio-perez/

Sure but Vettel and Alonso are taking time getting used to new cars and they are multiple champions. Ricciardo is still getting to grips with the McLaren and he is a multiple race winner.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 26, 2021, 11:31:31 am
Another Monaco GP come and gone with nary a pass made....   the spectacle and history are great.  The racing absolutely sucks.  That said, a lot of interesting things still happened on track!  What a strange event this is.

Great to see Max win though and Lewis down the order!  Bottas ....   WTF?  The guy is slow, but still can’t catch a break! 

What is going on with Daniel Ricciardo??   Severely outclassed by his younger teammate so far this year.  And talk of him needing to get away from the car a bit before the next race...  he’s not in a good head-space it seems.

Poor Leclerc....   gets pole position and crashes in qualifying so badly that he couldn’t start the race.  His own doing, but still...  a Ferrari up there near the top was going to be awesome.  I felt bad for the guy.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 26, 2021, 12:15:01 pm
The championship just got a lot more interesting. Well deserved win by Max.

Bottas seems snake bit. He was fast during qualifying but along with Max lost a real chance at pole when Leclerc crashed and then a frozen wheel nut on his pit stop. He wouldn't have won but certainly would have had a podium. Can't seem to catch a break.

Hamilton just had a crap weekend, couldn't get the car working for him and Merc messing up the strategy cost him two places. Being the longest car in the field the Merc isn't that well suited to Monaco but the big difference between Bottas and Hamilton was a surprise.

Ferrari really screwed up by not finding that broken driveshaft, they could have fixed the car and not taken a grid penalty.

Norris and Sainz continue to impress.  Sad to see Riciardo in such a funk, he is a much better driver than he is showing right now and at a track he had dominated the last two races.

Very happy to see Vettel finally having a good day in a mediocre car. Shades of the old Vettel from one of the most interesting people in F1.

It will be interesting to watch the limbo wing saga shake out. They definitely seem to break the rule even if they pass existing scrutineering. Will Mercedes and McLaren protest the Baku race if Red Bull wins? F1 politics.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 26, 2021, 03:05:10 pm
I loved the Gulf livery for McLaren in Monaco.  Just awesome.

(https://e0.365dm.com/21/05/2048x1152/skysports-mclaren-f1-2021-lando-norris_5388558.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 28, 2021, 12:34:53 pm
In his third Indy road course start after almost dying in a F1 crash, Grosjean is on the pole at the Indy Grand Prix. Can't keep a good man down.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 28, 2021, 01:03:16 pm
In his third Indy road course start after almost dying in a F1 crash, Grosjean is on the pole at the Indy Grand Prix. Can't keep a good man down.

That’s awesome!  Amazing actually.   Glad to see it. 

He was so prone to crashing into people earlier in his F1 career... 

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on May 28, 2021, 01:22:06 pm
That’s awesome!  Amazing actually.   Glad to see it. 

He was so prone to crashing into people earlier in his F1 career...

So was Verstappen
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 28, 2021, 03:32:36 pm
So was Verstappen

For different reasons...
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 05, 2021, 09:12:35 pm
Great qualifying at Baku.  Ferrari on pole.  Wow.

I really like that street course!  Always entertaining!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 05, 2021, 11:23:23 pm
I like the course as well, scenic and a lot better racing than Monaco. Really looking forward to the race.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 06, 2021, 02:35:35 pm
What a race.  Crazy ending. Max must have been so relieved to see that Hamilton messed up and lost all his points. 

Poor Lance…. Tire failure after such a great race.   Vettel was fantastic as well. 

Alonso’s restart at the end was epic…. Gained 4 places!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 06, 2021, 04:25:55 pm
Another crazy Baku race. We need more like that. Hamilton was unlucky with the pit stop and then got a bit too greedy at the end. Verstappen just plain unlucky. Perez, cool and steady. Very happy for Vettel, hope it is a sign of things to come.  Scary high speed crashes.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 06, 2021, 04:45:36 pm
Sounds like Lewis accidentally hit the brake bias switch so all he had was front brakes going into that corner. Finger trouble.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 06, 2021, 10:16:03 pm
Bottas was awful today….   At a track where passing is possible, in the (supposedly) fastest car on the grid, he went backward from 10th.  Ugly, ugly result.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Boges on June 07, 2021, 09:45:14 am
So many people, I know, are huge F1 fans nowadays.

I've heard it's because of the Netflix Series.

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 07, 2021, 11:59:56 am
F1 has come a long way from when I anxiously waited for the latest issue of Road and Track with Rob Walker's account of the latest races.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 20, 2021, 01:13:27 pm
Very entertaining French Grand Prix today. 

Mercedes messed up…. They are so intent on not having Bottas beat Hamilton that they didn’t give Bottas a chance to win when he wanted to come in for a 2nd pitstop. 

Midfield race was great too.  Lots of passing.  Different strategies. 

Stroll had a GREAT race…. From the back to 10th and a final point.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 20, 2021, 09:02:47 pm
Mercedes blew it. After getting burned on the undercut they passed up a chance to do the same to RB. Hamilton was just a sitting duck out there on old tires.
Bottas must be really pissed, he told his engineer this was going to happen. Maybe Merc should listen to their drivers a bit more. Mercedes can't make these mistakes if the are going to beat RB this year.

Stroll done good, the team done good. Great day for McLaren as the best of the rest. Looks like Ricciardo, Vettel and Alonso are getting to grips with their new cars and staring to show their old form. 

This is going to be the most interesting year since Nico retired.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 20, 2021, 09:35:18 pm
Mercedes blew it. After getting burned on the undercut they passed up a chance to do the same to RB. Hamilton was just a sitting duck out there on old tires.
Bottas must be really pissed, he told his engineer this was going to happen. Maybe Merc should listen to their drivers a bit more. Mercedes can't make these mistakes if the are going to beat RB this year.

I think they maximized Hamilton’s points (2nd).  If they stopped Bottas twice, he had a good chance of beating Hamilton.  If they pitted them both twice, Max probably would’ve been in the lead anyway, as they pitted 1st. 

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Stroll done good, the team done good. Great day for McLaren as the best of the rest. Looks like Ricciardo, Vettel and Alonso are getting to grips with their new cars and staring to show their old form. 

This is going to be the most interesting year since Nico retired.

I was super stoked for Lance.  Great drive.  They din’t show any of his passes on TV, but he had to do a lot of on-track passing to get up there.

Ferrari did poorly….   They sure are suited to a very particular type of track!  From poll position to the bottom in 1 race! 

I sure like Nico as one of the talking-heads…. He’s great.  I always cheered for him when he drove.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 20, 2021, 10:15:44 pm
Jimmie Johnson sucks at Indycar.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on June 21, 2021, 09:46:18 am
Jimmie Johnson sucks at Indycar.

Sure, but ... is he getting better ? 

How exciting will your retirement hobbies be ?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 21, 2021, 11:38:01 am
Sure, but ... is he getting better ? 

How exciting will your retirement hobbies be ?

Expensive hobby but it's not my money.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 21, 2021, 11:43:09 am
I think they maximized Hamilton’s points (2nd).  If they stopped Bottas twice, he had a good chance of beating Hamilton.  If they pitted them both twice, Max probably would’ve been in the lead anyway, as they pitted 1st. 


But if they had two stopped the Mercedes at least they could have had a chance of racing at the end instead of just waiting to be picked off by Max and Cheko.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on June 21, 2021, 05:47:26 pm
Expensive hobby but it's not my money.
Not his either.  Actually, it's kind of yours if you buy the products that he's pushing on the side of his car
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Post by: wilber on June 21, 2021, 06:56:54 pm
Not his either.  Actually, it's kind of yours if you buy the products that he's pushing on the side of his car
I don’t really follow Indy Car. Not a big fan of ovals and street circuits. I don’t even know who he drives for.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 27, 2021, 09:23:48 pm
Great race today.  Very entertaining …. Lance Stroll had a good showing. 

Max is going to be tough to beat this year, as long as his Honda engine holds up. 

Bottas had another tough weekend…. Shooting himself in the foot with a penalty when he finally managed to beat Hamilton in qualifying.

Lando Norris continues to impress.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on June 29, 2021, 07:27:26 pm
Looks like Mercedes is basically ceding the championship to RB this year. Wolf said they will not be developing this years car beyond minor improvements in order to concentrate on next year. RB is still doing major upgrades to theirs.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 03, 2021, 01:19:43 pm
Lando P2,  0.04 seconds off pole. Is the McLaren that good or is it mostly Norris?  Russell puts Williams in Q3 for the first time since 2017 and on the medium tire. Is the Williams really improving or is it mostly Russell?

Mercedes P4 and P5, RB seems to be getting stronger. Not looking good for Merc.
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Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 03, 2021, 03:10:47 pm
Lando P2,  0.04 seconds off pole. Is the McLaren that good or is it mostly Norris?  Russell puts Williams in Q3 for the first time since 2017 and on the medium tire. Is the Williams really improving or is it mostly Russell?

Mercedes P4 and P5, RB seems to be getting stronger. Not looking good for Merc.

That was an entertaining qualifying. 

I think it’s a mix of Norris’ skill and the McLaren suiting particular tracks, like this one.  What this really points out to me is how poorly Ricciardo is doing. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Omni on July 03, 2021, 04:54:49 pm
I'm trying to think what the hell could be more boring than discussing auto racing. zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom,...... but carry on.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 03, 2021, 06:31:55 pm
I'm trying to think what the hell could be more boring than discussing auto racing. zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom,...... but carry on.

So don’t.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 03, 2021, 08:28:07 pm
So don’t.

I forgot to mention Russell!   Mega lap to get into the 3rd quali round!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 03, 2021, 10:04:46 pm
I forgot to mention Russell!   Mega lap to get into the 3rd quali round!

On the medium tyre as well.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 10, 2021, 01:33:13 pm
Good article on Lewis Hamilton.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/10/lewis-hamilton-everything-id-suppressed-came-up-i-had-to-speak-out
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 18, 2021, 02:43:05 pm
Entertaining race…. Except for Hamilton launching Max into the wall.  That was a bad move…. He was left enough space to stay on the inside, but was overly optimistic about a move at a corner where they’re going ~290km/hr

Then the penalty being so light wasn’t great to see.

Added:

Not sure what to think about the sprint-race qualifying format….   I think I like it, as free-practice is rather dull.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 18, 2021, 06:52:27 pm
Entertaining race…. Except for Hamilton launching Max into the wall.  That was a bad move…. He was left enough space to stay on the inside, but was overly optimistic about a move at a corner where they’re going ~290km/hr

Then the penalty being so light wasn’t great to see.

Added:

Not sure what to think about the sprint-race qualifying format….   I think I like it, as free-practice is rather dull.

I don't know, two guys going into a corner and neither willing to back out. Shades of the Lewis/Nico show. Also reminiscent of Schumacher.
Not the result you want to see but will make the rest of the season even more interesting.

Good to see Max has a clean bill of health and will be back for the next race. That was a scary hit.

140,000 in the stands, that must be a post Covid record crowd for anything so far.

I don't know about a race to determine grid position but it was an entertaining weekend. Friday was worth watching for a change.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 18, 2021, 07:45:34 pm
I don't know, two guys going into a corner and neither willing to back out. Shades of the Lewis/Nico show. Also reminiscent of Schumacher.
Not the result you want to see but will make the rest of the season even more interesting.

They did give him a penalty, so he was deemed to be at fault.  There was enough room on the inside for Hamilton. 

The commentary used to be “you have to give them room on the inside”.  Now, when Hamilton punts his rival into the wall the commentary is “neither driver was going to back down”. 

The commentary from the F1 shows is very biased towards Hamilton.   He got a penalty, albeit a light one.


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I don't know about a race to determine grid position but it was an entertaining weekend. Friday was worth watching for a change.

My thoughts exactly….
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 18, 2021, 08:30:45 pm
I agree the commentary isn't exactly balanced but they did show two instances of Max doing the same to Hamilton in other races with Lewis leaving the track and conceding the corner. Max initially gave him room and then for some reason turned in. If you watched the side by side cockpit footage you can see that Hamilton had quite a bit of lock on, it looked like he understeered into Verstappen, he didn't punt him. The point could be made that Hamilton shouldn't have been there in the first place and that's why he got the penalty.

Max is extremely talented driver but also an aggressive driver who is used to dominating opponents and that's one of the things that makes him great.

The gloves are off and Max now knows that Hamilton isn't going to always be the one to backs out in these situations. It will be interesting to watch the dynamic between them for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Boges on July 19, 2021, 10:34:29 am
Hamilton totally took Max out.

Isn't it pathetic that there are only really two teams that can even compete at winning a race? Give a Ferrari a gigantic head start and it'll still lose to a Mercedes that was in a crash.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 19, 2021, 11:08:11 am
Hamilton totally took Max out.

Isn't it pathetic that there are only really two teams that can even compete at winning a race? Give a Ferrari a gigantic head start and it'll still lose to a Mercedes that was in a crash.

Hamilton didn't reduce lock to move toward Verstappen, he held his line but shouldn't have tried that pass in the first place. He passed Leclerc in the same place at the end of the race.

I'm really hoping next year with the spending cap and different cars will make things more competitive.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 19, 2021, 04:43:27 pm
Hamilton totally took Max out.

Isn't it pathetic that there are only really two teams that can even compete at winning a race? Give a Ferrari a gigantic head start and it'll still lose to a Mercedes that was in a crash.

F1 has almost always been thus.  But we seem to be in an era where a team dominates for longer time spans.  I think it’s because of the money spent.  I agree with Wilber that the spending caps should help this somewhat.

During Schumacher’s reign, Ferrari and McLaren were the top teams with the other competitors significantly behind.  Then it switched to McLaren for a spell, with Ferrari close behind. 

Red Bull dominated significantly with Vettel for 4 years, before Merc took over for the last several seasons.

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 19, 2021, 06:21:11 pm
Williams was dominant for a long time. Before that Lotus, Tyrrell in the 70's with Jackie Stewart. But that was before the monster budgets. Back in the seventies Walter Wolfe said it cost about a million dollars to run a car with a top driver for one season. The damage to Verstappen's car alone will be a lot more than that.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 19, 2021, 06:26:15 pm
Interesting that Adrian Newey has designed championship wining cars for Williams, McLaren and Red Bull. Looks like he might have another winner this year.
His cars have also won Indy 500's and CART championships.


Some say he can see air.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 01, 2021, 02:32:59 pm
Great outcome of the Hungarian GP today!  Ocon winning was awesome! 

But what a foolhardy start by Bottas!  Takes out a McLaren and both Red Bulls to give his teammate what should’ve been an easy romp to the checkered flag.

If Mercedes gives him a seat next year, it’ll be shocking!

Stroll was equally as bad as Bottas with that start.

Alonso got his teammate the win by holding off Hamilton enough.  Great drive by Alonso!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2021, 06:27:04 pm
Awful beginning but some of the best racing of the year at a track where you don't expect it. Red Bull must be looking forward to the break after the last two races.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2021, 07:45:43 pm
Great result for Alpine all the way around. Ocon drove like a pro and Alonso holding off Hamilton was a treat to watch.

Great to see Vettel back on the podium, the most interesting driver in F1 IMO. I guess he is getting flack from the officials about wearing his rainbow tee shirt during the anthems. Said he doesn't give a crap.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2021, 08:00:50 pm
Vettel trivia.

He names all his cars after women. His current Aston Martin is called Honey Ryder, Ursula Andress's character in Dr. No.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 05, 2021, 02:04:06 pm
After a rain-out at Spa, a relatively entertaining race at Max’s home race in Netherlands in which he wins.  Interesting track, but not a very conducive track for passing. 

Usually the anthems are canned, but for the Dutch anthem, they had a live singer.  The woman who sang it did an amazing job…. I didn’t know Netherlands had such an interesting anthem.

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Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 12, 2021, 11:05:21 pm
Wow!  What a race.

McLaren 1-2. 

Total idiocy that Verstappen gets a 3 place grid penalty for the crash with Ha,intoned.  Not sure what the stewards are smoking.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 12, 2021, 01:26:31 pm
New champion in F1.  Stopping Hamilton’s streak at 7 in a row.

Congrats to Max Verstappen! 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on December 12, 2021, 03:20:03 pm
Is the seven championship limit a law of physics?

Petty
Earnhardt
Schumacher
Johnson
Hamilton
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 12, 2021, 08:05:23 pm
Max stops for new tires and the five cars between him and Hamilton are magically made to disappear. This was up there with the Spa farce. F1 has outsourced its officials to the WWE. Another Micheal Masi mess, Charlie Whiting must be rolling in his grave after watching this season. They better get rid of Masi before next year.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 12, 2021, 08:08:25 pm
New champion in F1.  Stopping Hamilton’s streak at 7 in a row.

Congrats to Max Verstappen!

Hamilton didn't have 7 in a row. He had one with McLaren and Rossberg beat him in 2016.
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Post by: Dia on December 12, 2021, 10:03:04 pm
That was a pretty exciting race, at the end.  My partner likes Verstappen, so was glad to see him win the Championship.  I like Norris, think he had some bad luck this year, looking forward to see what he does next year. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 13, 2021, 01:02:58 pm
Max stops for new tires and the five cars between him and Hamilton are magically made to disappear. This was up there with the Spa farce. F1 has outsourced its officials to the WWE. Another Micheal Masi mess, Charlie Whiting must be rolling in his grave after watching this season. They better get rid of Masi before next year.

No one, other than Mercedes, wanted the race to end as a parade for the final 5 laps.  They did the right thing to resolve the championship through actual racing.  Mercedes are a bunch of sore losers.  They’ve been on top for 8 years and seem to have forgotten how to lose.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 13, 2021, 10:09:31 pm
No one, other than Mercedes, wanted the race to end as a parade for the final 5 laps.  They did the right thing to resolve the championship through actual racing.  Mercedes are a bunch of sore losers.  They’ve been on top for 8 years and seem to have forgotten how to lose.

They didn't though. Mercedes accumulated an over 11 second lead by actual racing, then a result was contrived, five cars were made to disappear so they could engineer a result. Horner even admitted to pressuring Masi to let the lapped cars through. Team principals shouldn't be allowed to talk to officials while the race is in progress. I don't care which team it is. Should coaches and managers be able to talk to VR officials when they are making calls in football for hockey games? This is no better than NASCAR where everything is contrived to give a close finish no matter how well a team performed or how much of a lead they got during the rest of the race. This is a billion dollar sport with bush league officiating . It isn't just this race, we have seen it all year. I've been a fan of this sport since the sixties but I'm at the point where I think I might as well be watching the WWE. If Masi isn't gone before next season, I don't think I will be watching.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Boges on December 14, 2021, 10:24:26 am
They didn't though. Mercedes accumulated an over 11 second lead by actual racing, then a result was contrived, five cars were made to disappear so they could engineer a result. Horner even admitted to pressuring Masi to let the lapped cars through. Team principals shouldn't be allowed to talk to officials while the race is in progress. I don't care which team it is. Should coaches and managers be able to talk to VR officials when they are making calls in football for hockey games? This is no better than NASCAR where everything is contrived to give a close finish no matter how well a team performed or how much of a lead they got during the rest of the race. This is a billion dollar sport with bush league officiating . It isn't just this race, we have seen it all year. I've been a fan of this sport since the sixties but I'm at the point where I think I might as well be watching the WWE. If Masi isn't gone before next season, I don't think I will be watching.

You could say the same about DRS helping create drama. No one wants to watch precession races. And the FIA ruled in favour of Mercedes earlier in the race.

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 14, 2021, 12:23:16 pm
You could say the same about DRS helping create drama. No one wants to watch precession races. And the FIA ruled in favour of Mercedes earlier in the race.

DRS is the same for everyone, it is just part of the car like an engine or transmission and is enabled automatically. I don't see how they ruled in favour of Hamilton, he had no choice but to go off the track or Max would have gone into the side of him. The rules say you have to leave room when defending or passing. A collision would have given Max the championship even if they were both knocked out and he knew it. Schumacher either did or tried to do the same thing to opponents in the last race where championships were at stake. He did it to Hill and it worked and he tried to do it to Villeneuve and it almost worked. Who wants to watch a race that isn't decided on the track? You might as well watch WWE. The decision to allow the lapped cars by turned an 58 lap race into a one lap show by nullifying the first 57 laps and giving one competitor the decided advantage of a free pit stop plus a gain of track position at the same time. That's theatre, not racing.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Boges on June 13, 2022, 11:21:25 am
F1 comes back to Montreal this week.

I'm one of those people that have started following the sport 1) because family had gotten into it 2) Drive to Survive works very well as a promotional tool.

I'm looking forward to see how the World sees one of Canada's Great cities. Way more attention will come vs 2019.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 13, 2022, 11:45:52 am
F1 comes back to Montreal this week.

I'm one of those people that have started following the sport 1) because family had gotten into it 2) Drive to Survive works very well as a promotional tour.

I'm looking forward to see how the World sees one of Canada's Great cities. Way more attention will come vs 2019.

I went to the Montreal race years ago.  I also went to the GP when it was at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.  Both were terrific experiences.

I plan on attending Montreal again in the forthcoming years and maybe Spa-Francorchamps.

Ferrari… WTF?  Double DNF at Baku.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on June 13, 2022, 11:47:26 am
I've been to the Molson indy, dirt track races, and the Daytona 500 four times.

Daytona was the most exciting of all of these by far.