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Title: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on July 30, 2020, 07:55:15 pm
British GP is this weekend.  Sergio Perez, driver for Racing Point, has tested positive for COVID.  Hopefully it hasn't spread.

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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 30, 2020, 09:38:48 pm
Oh Oh, The British GP is one of the highlights of the season. One of the best tracks and the site of the first F1 world championship race in 1950.
Watching the cars go flat out through Maggots and Becketts is mind bending.

Wonder if he went home to Mexico during the two weak break.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 31, 2020, 01:03:49 pm
Hulkenberg taking over from Perez for British GP. Good to see him back, hopefully he can get that podium at last.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on July 31, 2020, 06:31:41 pm
Lance Stroll had the fastest time in practice...  hope that translates to the qualifying and race!

Good Canadian kid...

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on July 31, 2020, 10:52:50 pm
Lance Stroll had the fastest time in practice...  hope that translates to the qualifying and race!

Good Canadian kid...
The Racing Point is fast, it is basically last yearís Mercedes. Expect Hamilton to crank it up tomorrow but Stroll should do well.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on August 01, 2020, 02:39:25 pm
The Racing Point is fast, it is basically last yearís Mercedes. Expect Hamilton to crank it up tomorrow but Stroll should do well.

Stroll qualified well, but a bit below expectations.  Hope the race goes well for him.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2020, 10:11:01 pm
Third row is pretty good. Noris continues to impress and Hamilton makes everyone else look average. Again.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2020, 11:39:33 pm
Love Lando's new helmet, designed by a six year old fan

(https://www.thedrive.com/content/2020/07/lando-norris-helmet.jpg?quality=85)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: kimmy on August 02, 2020, 12:36:26 pm
vrooooom!

 -k
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 03, 2020, 01:19:20 pm
Mercedes running away with it again until Bottas has a tire failure two laps before the end and winds up 11th, Hamilton has the same tire fail on the last lap with a 30 second lead but manages to still cross the line 5 seconds ahead.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on August 03, 2020, 06:27:55 pm
Mercedes running away with it again until Bottas has a tire failure two laps before the end and winds up 11th, Hamilton has the same tire fail on the last lap with a 30 second lead but manages to still cross the line 5 seconds ahead.
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Quite a dull race, until the last 5 laps!   That was interesting.  There was a bunch of chatter about the tyres not being good enough that Pirelli put out, but who says the hard tyres have to last 50 laps.  It's better for the fans if they do wear out.  Apparently, the tyre compounds are going to be softer across the board for the next race, so it will make it interesting.

As much as Mercedes is far and away the better car this year, it's still very interesting with the rest of the pack.

Poor Ferrari....  ugh.  :'(
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 06, 2020, 04:51:34 pm
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Quite a dull race, until the last 5 laps!   That was interesting.  There was a bunch of chatter about the tyres not being good enough that Pirelli put out, but who says the hard tyres have to last 50 laps.  It's better for the fans if they do wear out.  Apparently, the tyre compounds are going to be softer across the board for the next race, so it will make it interesting.

As much as Mercedes is far and away the better car this year, it's still very interesting with the rest of the pack.

Poor Ferrari....  ugh.  :'(

For sure this weekends race will be a two stop which is great as far as I'm concerned. I wish they all were. Watching Mercedes win is getting a bit old. Really wish we could see Hamilton and Verstappen go head to head in equal cars. Hopefully the big changes for 2022 will even things up a bit, too bad Covid put them back a year. McLaren going back to Mercedes power might make things interesting.

Tyres eh. Is that the Brit in you or are you just speaking F1?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 08, 2020, 06:42:15 pm
Mercedes swap places on the grid and stand in Hulkenberg gets his neck in shape and qualifies the pink Mercedes third. Hope he can finally get that podium.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on August 08, 2020, 10:44:19 pm
Mercedes swap places on the grid and stand in Hulkenberg gets his neck in shape and qualifies the pink Mercedes third. Hope he can finally get that podium.

Not good for Stroll....   he better step up his game.  Right now, he looks far from one of the elite drivers on the grid.

Should be a good race tomorrow... from 3rd to 12th that is.  Mercedes is so far ahead of everyone else.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 09, 2020, 11:51:19 am
Verstappen and Red Bull make Mercedes look vulnerable. Great strategy and a great driver.
Stroll is fine, his dad owns the team.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on August 09, 2020, 01:46:56 pm
Verstappen and Red Bull make Mercedes look vulnerable. Great strategy and a great driver.

Vulnerable is a strong word. 

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Stroll is fine, his dad owns the team.

Not talking about his place on the team.  I want the Canadian kid to be a great driver....   

He had a decent race today, but not outstanding.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 09, 2020, 04:12:12 pm
Vulnerable is a strong word. 

Not talking about his place on the team.  I want the Canadian kid to be a great driver....   

He had a decent race today, but not outstanding.
They certainly look vulnerable when it comes to tire degradation. Hamilton had fewer laps ont his tires at the end but they were completely trashed compared  to Verstappenís

I would like to see Stroll do well too. He has shown he can drive and won championships in F3 but moving up to F1 is like going from junior to the NHL and this is his third season in F1.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on August 13, 2020, 05:01:48 pm
Spanish GP is this weekend from Barcelona.  Not the best track generally, but given the heat and Mercedesí issues with their tyres in hotter temps, it should make for a good race.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/13/later-date-for-spanish-grand-prix-means-three-hot-days-ahead/

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 14, 2020, 11:41:00 am
Spanish GP is this weekend from Barcelona.  Not the best track generally, but given the heat and Mercedesí issues with their tyres in hotter temps, it should make for a good race.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/13/later-date-for-spanish-grand-prix-means-three-hot-days-ahead/

Not my favourite track either but better than Paul Ricard and it's stupid painted off zones.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on August 16, 2020, 12:57:40 pm
Not a bad race..  not the most exciting.... 

Great start and result for the Canadian Lance Stroll. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 16, 2020, 01:25:08 pm
Mercedes tyre troubles were supposed to give Red Bull an advantage today, didn't happen. After Verstappen's Red Bull, Racing Point the best of the rest. Solid race for Stroll. Finally a good race for Vettel.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on August 16, 2020, 05:42:56 pm
"Stroll is the son of billionaire Canadian businessman Lawrence Stroll "

Just thinking some nepotism may be involved here...  :o
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 16, 2020, 07:10:35 pm
"Stroll is the son of billionaire Canadian businessman Lawrence Stroll "

Just thinking some nepotism may be involved here...  :o
Of course, he owns a good share of the team and is the chairman of Aston Martin. The team will b rebranded Aston Martin.

The kid is a good driver though. It takes big bucks to get into F1 unless you are taken on as a development driver by one of the big buck teams. Strolls teammate Perez is sponsored by a couple of Mexican telecom companies.  Nicholas Latifi is the son another Montreal billionaire, the owner of Sofina foods. His dad also owns a chunk of McLaren.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 23, 2020, 09:17:30 pm
Williams sold to Dorilton Capital. Will retain the name but the end of an era. A sad end to the last family owned F! team. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on August 29, 2020, 01:15:59 pm
Spa this weekend, the world's greatest road course.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on September 01, 2020, 10:02:54 pm
Italian Grand Prix from the historic Monza track is this weekend.    I bet Ferrari are happy not to have fans at the track this year given their ineptitude. 

Great track though that usually offers up some great racing. 



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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 01, 2020, 10:07:37 pm
The first race where teams have to use the same engine mode for the whole weekend. No more party modes for qualifying and it will be interesting to see how it affects the grids. Renault looked quite strong last weekend and Monza is another high speed track.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on September 01, 2020, 11:52:44 pm
The first race where teams have to use the same engine mode for the whole weekend. No more party modes for qualifying and it will be interesting to see how it affects the grids. Renault looked quite strong last weekend and Monza is another high speed track.

Iím of the opinion that there should be A LOT less electronics, drive modes, etc in F1 cars.  Itís crazy.  I think they should get rid of tire sensors...  make them manage the race by driver feel.  Race engineers telling drivers when to do every little thing is getting ridiculous, imo.

Not to take away from Norrisí last 2 laps of this race, since every driver is coached like this probably, but this video shows how ridiculous it is now...

https://youtu.be/XgXo0509S28
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: MH on September 02, 2020, 08:40:22 am
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 02, 2020, 09:07:51 am
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 02, 2020, 09:19:52 am
Iím of the opinion that there should be A LOT less electronics, drive modes, etc in F1 cars.  Itís crazy.  I think they should get rid of tire sensors...  make them manage the race by driver feel.  Race engineers telling drivers when to do every little thing is getting ridiculous, imo.

Not to take away from Norrisí last 2 laps of this race, since every driver is coached like this probably, but this video shows how ridiculous it is now...

https://youtu.be/XgXo0509S28

Going to a single engine mode will probably get rid of a lot of that, no party modes or push to pass but letís face it, these are the most advance hybrid systems in existence.  As long as the tires they are using are so critical, I think they need tire monitoring. Wish they would go back to the days when tires went the whole race. You could still have a mandatory stop for a tire change and teams could adjust their strategy to get the best out of them. Maybe it isnít possible with the downforce these cars generate.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 02, 2020, 09:21:47 am
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 04, 2020, 11:44:01 pm
Norris has a pizza helmet for Monza.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: kimmy on September 05, 2020, 03:23:38 pm
Norris has a pizza helmet for Monza.

I know what all of those words mean, but I still can't parse that sentence.

 -k
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 05, 2020, 10:44:26 pm
I know what all of those words mean, but I still can't parse that sentence.

 -k

His helmet is painted up as a pepperoni pizza. He says pizza is his favourite thing about Italy

The went through his qualifying lap compared to his teammate Sainz and the tiny things that make so much difference The difference between the two was 0.13 seconds. That 0.13 seconds was the difference between third and sixth on the grid. The difference between pole and second was 0.069 seconds.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: kimmy on September 06, 2020, 01:53:31 pm
His helmet is painted up as a pepperoni pizza. He says pizza is his favourite thing about Italy

Oh okay, now it all makes sense. First I was picturing something like the cheese wedges that Packers fans wear on their heads.  Then I was thinking maybe the Pizza Helmet was an honorary thing, kind of like the Yellow Jersey in bicycle racing.

The went through his qualifying lap compared to his teammate Sainz and the tiny things that make so much difference The difference between the two was 0.13 seconds. That 0.13 seconds was the difference between third and sixth on the grid. The difference between pole and second was 0.069 seconds.

I just did some quick math...  these cars can apparently go up to 340 km/h, and at that speed 0.13 seconds is a gap of 12 meters, which is about 2.5 car lengths.  So if they were racing next to each other it would look like a big difference.

 -k
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on September 06, 2020, 07:46:01 pm
That was a very entertaining race!   The underdogs came 1st, 2nd and 3rd in a topsey-Turkey race that had a bit of everything. 

Poor Ferrari...  they were dismal.

Great to see Canadian Lance Stroll on the podium in 3rd.  Unfortunately, he blew the re-start that occurred after the race was stopped by a big crash, otherwise he might have won it!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 06, 2020, 09:34:12 pm
Oh okay, now it all makes sense. First I was picturing something like the cheese wedges that Packers fans wear on their heads.  Then I was thinking maybe the Pizza Helmet was an honorary thing, kind of like the Yellow Jersey in bicycle racing.

I just did some quick math...  these cars can apparently go up to 340 km/h, and at that speed 0.13 seconds is a gap of 12 meters, which is about 2.5 car lengths.  So if they were racing next to each other it would look like a big difference.

 -k

Norris is becoming  known for his different helmets. At the British Grand Prix it was the one designed by the six year old.

Remember, it is a road course, not a straight line or oval, The fastest qualifying speed was 264 KPH average and that 0.13 seconds is the difference over a distance of 5.8 km. The difference between pole and second was seven one hundreds of a second.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 06, 2020, 09:39:07 pm
That was a very entertaining race!   The underdogs came 1st, 2nd and 3rd in a topsey-Turkey race that had a bit of everything. 

Poor Ferrari...  they were dismal.

Great to see Canadian Lance Stroll on the podium in 3rd.  Unfortunately, he blew the re-start that occurred after the race was stopped by a big crash, otherwise he might have won it!

Happy something good happened for Gasly but McLaren were the big losers. By allowing cars the cars that hadn't stopped to change tires during the red flag, they really penalized those who had stopped during the previous yellow. The race should have been a McLaren one two with Gasly third.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on September 07, 2020, 01:19:09 pm
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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on September 10, 2020, 03:29:04 pm
Perez is out next year at Racing Point (Aston Martin) while 4-time champ, Seb Vettel, is in.  Perez will land on his feet.  Haas maybe?  He brings a lot of Mexican sponsorship dollars, and Haas, being an American team, may like that. 

Whatís also going to be great is another historic marque being in F1 starting next year in the form of Aston Martin.  They had a very limited run decades ago, so they donít have much history with F1.   

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Aston_Martin_DBR4_Mallory_Park.JPG)

What a gorgeous race car from simpler times!  (Much less safe times too....)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 10, 2020, 03:53:09 pm
That's interesting, I'm glad Vettel will still be in F1, I like Seb.  He has his moments but is a no BS kind of guy and a thinker. Haas or Williams for Perez would be my guess. The new owners of Williams might have different ideas about drivers. My guess is Russell would be safe because he is a Mercedes development driver and has done a good job in a terrible car. I also think he has another year on his contract.

Aston Martin didn't have much of a F1 history but the cars sure were pretty. So were the sports cars that did win at LeMans.

(https://img.hmn.com/fit-in/900x506/filters:upscale()/stories/2012/06/AstonMartinDBR1_1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 10, 2020, 05:32:47 pm
Prognosticators are mentioning Alfa Romeo as a possibility for Perez. Will Kimi retire or will they replace him? I don't see an Italian team getting rid of Giovinazzi, the only Italian driver currently in F1.

Racing Point (Aston Martin) must be rolling in cash if they can afford to dump a driver who brings big sponsorship bucks for a driver who demands millions in salary. An interesting fact about Vettel, he is one of the few (maybe the only) high profile athlete who doesn't do endorsement deals.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on September 10, 2020, 06:05:55 pm
Prognosticators are mentioning Alfa Romeo as a possibility for Perez. Will Kimi retire or will they replace him? I don't see an Italian team getting rid of Giovinazzi, the only Italian driver currently in F1.

Kimi is likely to retire.  I think Haas would be a better fit for Perez, but Iím sure any F1 team will do!

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Racing Point (Aston Martin) must be rolling in cash if they can afford to dump a driver who brings big sponsorship bucks for a driver who demands millions in salary. An interesting fact about Vettel, he is one of the few (maybe the only) high profile athlete who doesn't do endorsement deals.

Stroll is a billionaire with billionaire backers.  He bought Aston Martin to get the marque into F1.  Aston Martin wasnít equipped to do anything like this until Stroll came along. 

I had no idea that Vettel didnít do endorsements.  (Other than team obligations to their sponsors probably, right?).  Iíve always liked Vettel as a driver. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 10, 2020, 09:50:14 pm
Kimi is likely to retire.  I think Haas would be a better fit for Perez, but Iím sure any F1 team will do!

Stroll is a billionaire with billionaire backers.  He bought Aston Martin to get the marque into F1.  Aston Martin wasnít equipped to do anything like this until Stroll came along. 

I had no idea that Vettel didnít do endorsements.  (Other than team obligations to their sponsors probably, right?).  Iíve always liked Vettel as a driver.

Apparently Stroll owns 17% of Aston Martin but that probably makes him the largest shareholder. I found out about Vettel not doing endorsements in an article about the world highest paid athletes. He and Hamilton were the only ones in the top 40 although Verstappen and Leclerc will probably be on the next one .
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on September 13, 2020, 02:53:02 pm
Massive shunt by Stroll when his tyre blew!  *ouch*.  Lucky he walked away from that...   He was set for a podium too....  damn.

Very entertaining race again.  Great track.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on September 14, 2020, 12:47:25 pm
Crazy race, fantastic track. Awesome watching them go flat through that section between turns 6 and 9 with the G meter bouncing off of 5 during qualifying and well over 4 during the race. Hope they go back.

Stroll's shunt and the rolling restart mess were scary. Lucky no one was hurt.
I was really looking forward to the possibility of Max getting in amongst the Mercedes, but it wasn't to be.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 01:17:34 pm
Honda leaving F1 at the end of next year. What will Red Bull do for engines, back to Renault with McLaren going to Mercedes?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54383259
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 02, 2020, 02:26:31 pm
One of the world's most boring sports to watch now that it's been made relatively safe. Gone is the anticipation of seeing a huge accident with body parts strewn over the track.
However, the possibility is always there that the boredom can be broken for the faithful who persevere.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 02, 2020, 02:48:26 pm
Honda leaving F1 at the end of next year. What will Red Bull do for engines, back to Renault with McLaren going to Mercedes?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54383259

Well, if they donít get a deal with Merc or Ferrari, then Renault is obligated to supply them with engines as they are the engine supplier with the least amount of teams on the grid using their engines.

At least, thatís my understanding from what Iíve heard.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 03:09:51 pm
One of the world's most boring sports to watch now that it's been made relatively safe. Gone is the anticipation of seeing a huge accident with body parts strewn over the track.
However, the possibility is always there that the boredom can be broken for the faithful who persevere.

There are still plenty of crashes, just not lethal ones.

I grew up watching the likes of Jim Clark, Bruce McLaren, Lorenzo Bandini, Ronnie Peterson etc. Trust me, I don't miss the killer years at all. There were 29 F1 drivers killed in the sixties and 18 in the seventies even though there were half the races in a season. Stewart had two team mates killed in one season and that is what prompted him to retire at the top of his game, even though he could have won a couple more championships. He knew he was on borrowed time. If that is what you are looking for, you aren't a fan of motor racing anyway.

I do miss the fact it was an era when privateers like Tyrrel could win championships with drivers like Stewart. Frank Williams was the last but their last championship was 23 years ago. Tyrrell and Stewart never had a written contract, just a handshake. Same with Moss and Rob Walker.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 03:20:28 pm
Well, if they donít get a deal with Merc or Ferrari, then Renault is obligated to supply them with engines as they are the engine supplier with the least amount of teams on the grid using their engines.

At least, thatís my understanding from what Iíve heard.

Renault has really picked up their game when it comes to power and reliability. Let's hope so.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 02, 2020, 04:39:25 pm
Renault has really picked up their game when it comes to power and reliability. Let's hope so.

For sure Renault have improved.....   the last few races have been a good showing for them, especially Ricciardo. 

It just would be a bit ironic given the acrimony between Red Bull and Renault at the end of their time together.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 02, 2020, 05:35:26 pm
For sure Renault have improved.....   the last few races have been a good showing for them, especially Ricciardo. 

It just would be a bit ironic given the acrimony between Red Bull and Renault at the end of their time together.

The Renault was pretty bad the first few years of this formula. Red Bull had a lot of engine caused DNF's and they were down on power. Now they look like a threat. I wonder if McLaren is having second thoughts about going to Mercedes next year. The cars will be basically the same so McLaren vs Racing Point (Aston Martin) and Renault will be interesting.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 02, 2020, 07:39:41 pm
No way anyone will have regrets with going to Merc. 

It would be interesting to see McLaren get to their old form and beat Mercedes while using Mercedes engines.  Maybe with the price controls coming to F1, this can happen now. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 04, 2020, 11:54:27 am
A ridiculous sport that has values that run contrary to the decent priorities of the world in this 21st. century. A virtual insult to those who can't feed their children enough to keep the children alive!

And perhaps the favourite sport of the extreme right!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 04, 2020, 02:00:03 pm
A ridiculous sport that has values that run contrary to the decent priorities of the world in this 21st. century. A virtual insult to those who can't feed their children enough to keep the children alive!

And perhaps the favourite sport of the extreme right!

If that is your criteria, what professional sport isn't?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 04, 2020, 02:43:02 pm
If that is your criteria, what professional sport isn't?

Some others but less so than car racing. Golf, but not in an active way.

Professional sports usually detract from the real meaning of 'sports'.

American football and basketball being especially egregious demonstrations of physical size the factor that makes the athlete. And hockey now being corrupted to make it the same.
That became necessary for hockey when Russians and Europeans started to be better at the game than Canadians.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 04, 2020, 03:08:47 pm
Some others but less so than car racing. Golf, but not in an active way.

Professional sports usually detract from the real meaning of 'sports'.

American football and basketball being especially egregious demonstrations of physical size the factor that makes the athlete. And hockey now being corrupted to make it the same.
That became necessary for hockey when Russians and Europeans started to be better at the game than Canadians.

How less so than auto racing?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 04, 2020, 03:44:16 pm
How less so than auto racing?

We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 04, 2020, 04:17:43 pm
F1ís carbon footprint is only 0.4% from the cars themselves.  Most of it comes from the transportation of all the cars/equipment to the tracks around the world.

THey have a plan to go carbon neutral, apparently...  would that satisfy your need for less emissions Montgomery?

And to say that auto racing, in particular F1 is a ďright-wingĒ sport as if that somehow detracts from its value is asinine.  As long as the racing is entertaining, I donít really care about the political stance of the people watching, or participating. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: bcsapper on October 04, 2020, 04:40:25 pm
We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.

The amount of chemicals required to achieve that distressing metamorphosis is a good enough reason to see the sport banned for all.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 04, 2020, 06:23:30 pm
We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.

F1 powerplants are the most efficient ICE systems in existence, over 50% thermal efficiency. If you drive a car, it is probably less than 30% efficient. F1's plan is to transition to synthetic fuels derived from recaptured CO2 combined with hydrogen.

As far as other emissions are concerned, they are probably less for 22 events a year than they are for hockey, basketball or baseball leagues playing over 80 games a year.

PS. There are 31 NHL teams that play 80 regular season games a year. That's 1240 games a year that involved an away team travelling to each one of them.

Plus playoffs.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 05, 2020, 12:23:56 pm
F1 powerplants are the most efficient ICE systems in existence, over 50% thermal efficiency. If you drive a car, it is probably less than 30% efficient. F1's plan is to transition to synthetic fuels derived from recaptured CO2 combined with hydrogen.

As far as other emissions are concerned, they are probably less for 22 events a year than they are for hockey, basketball or baseball leagues playing over 80 games a year.

PS. There are 31 NHL teams that play 80 regular season games a year. That's 1240 games a year that involved an away team travelling to each one of them.

Plus playoffs.

You're just trying to dodge the issue. That's not something I'm going to spend time debated with you because I see it wouldn't be worth the effort.


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Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 12:55:44 pm


What issue am I dodging? I have pointed out to you that F1 is at the leading edge of technology with by far the most thermally efficient ICE powerplants in existence, with the intention of running them on synthetic carbon neutral fuels in the near future. I have also pointed out that because of the limited number of events it is likely much more carbon friendly than many other professional sports. You can put the entire F1 circus on a single 747 freighter to move it anywhere in the world for a race. All ten teams are located in three European countries, six of them in the UK so it ls not like they are coming from all over.

If you have an issue with facts, that's your problem, not mine.

There are many sports that don't particularly interest me and some that I just don't like but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, or that others shouldn't be allowed to enjoy them.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 05, 2020, 03:00:55 pm

What issue am I dodging? I have pointed out to you that F1 is at the leading edge of technology with by far the most thermally efficient ICE powerplants in existence, with the intention of running them on synthetic carbon neutral fuels in the near future. I have also pointed out that because of the limited number of events it is likely much more carbon friendly than many other professional sports. You can put the entire F1 circus on a single 747 freighter to move it anywhere in the world for a race. All ten teams are located in three European countries, six of them in the UK so it ls not like they are coming from all over.

If you have an issue with facts, that's your problem, not mine.

There are many sports that don't particularly interest me and some that I just don't like but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, or that others shouldn't be allowed to enjoy them.

Wilburrr, not burning fossil fuels for sport is always going to be more environmentally friendly than burning them in any manner. But otherwise I agree that they are clean burning engines because of efficiency/weight concerns.

However, I have offered up golf as being an environmentallly unfriendly sport as a runner-up to car racing. A clever person could maybe even turn that into the worst sport from an environmentally friendly POV.

But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 05, 2020, 03:07:38 pm
But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!

What a ridiculous comment.  Please provide some evidence for this.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 06:26:44 pm
Wilburrr, not burning fossil fuels for sport is always going to be more environmentally friendly than burning them in any manner. But otherwise I agree that they are clean burning engines because of efficiency/weight concerns.

However, I have offered up golf as being an environmentallly unfriendly sport as a runner-up to car racing. A clever person could maybe even turn that into the worst sport from an environmentally friendly POV.

But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!

!240 NHL games are played by visiting NHL teams every year. Those teams don't fly commercial, they use charters so that is 1240 extra flights a year to play NHL hockey. That also goes for major league football, baseball and basketball teams. Don't give me a bunch of bullshit about emissions from 20 cars doing 22 under two hour races a year. 20 cars with the most efficient hybrid systems in existence.

Do you believe in climate change science or not?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 05, 2020, 07:12:48 pm
!240 NHL games are played by visiting NHL teams every year. Those teams don't fly commercial, they use charters so that is 1240 extra flights a year to play NHL hockey. That also goes for major league football, baseball and basketball teams. Don't give me a bunch of bullshit about emissions from 20 cars doing 22 under two hour races a year. 20 cars with the most efficient hybrid systems in existence.

Do you believe in climate change science or not?

Then the NHL isn't environmentally friendly either, if you like? And yes, I believe in AGW but do you?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 08:13:50 pm
Then the NHL isn't environmentally friendly either, if you like? And yes, I believe in AGW but do you?

Sure I do but there are far more environmentally unfriendly sports than F1 racing, why don't you want to ban those too?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Omni on October 05, 2020, 08:20:50 pm
Trying to think of a more boring topic.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 05, 2020, 08:34:41 pm
Trying to think of a more boring topic.
Ya well, your obsession with Trump can get a little old too.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 06, 2020, 12:15:08 pm
Ya well, your obsession with Trump can get a little old too.

It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 06, 2020, 12:43:56 pm
It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!

Formula 1 is extremely popular world-wide.  It gets Super Bowl-like TV audience worldwide every week or two for each race. 

471 million viewers on TV in 2019.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/480129/cable-or-broadcast-tv-networks-formula-one-f1-racing-watched-within-the-last-12-months-usa/

F1 Will change with the times....   itís technology has always trickled down to road cars, at least somewhat.  It will eventually change to EV probably....   or perhaps another renewable fuel that still makes a lot of noise through an ICE.  Auto racing will always be around, even if folks like yourself donít care for it.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 06, 2020, 12:56:19 pm
It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!


So you are about image, not reality?



You don't like golf but golf courses have the same environmental impact as an urban park and many of them are in urban areas. Would it be better to convert them all into more housing and commercial properties?

Skiing. How many thousands of hectares of forrest are cut down to provide ski runs in remote areas that can only be accessed by motor vehicles?

There are many sports that don't directly use fossil fuels which have bigger carbon footprints.

The world wide TV audience for F1 in 2019 was 1.9 billion people with 471 million unique viewers. Their social media followers were up 32% and their app had over 700 million views. 62% of new fans were under 35.

Racing will be popular as long as people drive their own vehicles. Face it, people will race anything, even lawnmowers.  Formula E is also gaining popularity and will continue to do so as more people buy EV's but battery technology doesn't yet allow hybrid or ICE performance over anything other than short races. All except two of its races are on street circuits, not proper race tracks.

I do agree that the more old school types of racing such as NASCAR and Indy Car will need to embrace new technologies to remain relevant.

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: Montgomery on October 06, 2020, 01:32:38 pm

So you are about image, not reality?



You don't like golf but golf courses have the same environmental impact as an urban park and many of them are in urban areas. Would it be better to convert them all into more housing and commercial properties?

Skiing. How many thousands of hectares of forrest are cut down to provide ski runs in remote areas that can only be accessed by motor vehicles?

There are many sports that don't directly use fossil fuels which have bigger carbon footprints.

The world wide TV audience for F1 in 2019 was 1.9 billion people with 471 million unique viewers. Their social media followers were up 32% and their app had over 700 million views. 62% of new fans were under 35.

Racing will be popular as long as people drive their own vehicles. Face it, people will race anything, even lawnmowers.  Formula E is also gaining popularity and will continue to do so as more people buy EV's but battery technology doesn't yet allow hybrid or ICE performance over anything other than short races. All except two of its races are on street circuits, not proper race tracks.

I do agree that the more old school types of racing such as NASCAR and Indy Car will need to embrace new technologies to remain relevant.

Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 06, 2020, 01:51:42 pm
Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.

I never brought you into this.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 06, 2020, 03:08:53 pm
Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.

Then perhaps stop responding?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 07, 2020, 12:06:49 pm
squid. Don't you miss the scream of a 3L V10 at 20,000 RPM? I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqaJKTRs-Kg
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 07, 2020, 07:24:59 pm
squid. Don't you miss the scream of a 3L V10 at 20,000 RPM? I do.

Yeah, the V10s sounded incredible.  Do you recall the HP compared to the current turbo V6s?

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 07, 2020, 07:37:27 pm
Yeah, the V10s sounded incredible.  Do you recall the HP compared to the current turbo V6s?

Around 900 I think, so about the same as the combined gas and electric motors on current cars. The electric motors and turbo chargers give the new cars a lot more low end torque and HP than the old normally aspirated engines.

How about this one from 1953.
1.5L V16 600 HP. When it ran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNoRlLlsD8

Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 03:54:11 pm
Hamilton sets record, 92 wins. Who would have thunk Schumacher's record would ever been broken.

Like that Algarve circuit. Relentless, the corners just keep coming, lots of elevation changes with blind rises where they can't see the road in front of them. It must be really tiring to drive.

One thing about Covid and having to do almost all of the season in Europe. it means we have seen some great tracks that we don't normally see. It would be great if they could race at Algarve and Mugello more often.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 25, 2020, 05:35:23 pm
Hamilton sets record, 92 wins. Who would have thunk Schumacher's record would ever been broken.

Like that Algarve circuit. Relentless, the corners just keep coming, lots of elevation changes with blind rises where they can't see the road in front of them. It must be really tiring to drive.

One thing about Covid and having to do almost all of the season in Europe. it means we have seen some great tracks that we don't normally see. It would be great if they could race at Algarve and Mugello more often.

Lots of corners, but still some good passing and side-by-side racing.  Entertaining race.  Too bad Stroll blew it...  I know dad owns the team....  but I'm starting to think they might be getting rid of the wrong driver... 

Albon is not long at Red Bull anymore...  he is way too far behind Max.  Perez maybe?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 08:51:53 pm
Lots of corners, but still some good passing and side-by-side racing.  Entertaining race.  Too bad Stroll blew it...  I know dad owns the team....  but I'm starting to think they might be getting rid of the wrong driver... 

Albon is not long at Red Bull anymore...  he is way too far behind Max.  Perez maybe?

Perez has shown himself to be a top driver. He and Hulkenberg should both still be in F1. Perez should get a ride somewhere considering his talent and how much money he brings to the table. Stroll has had a rough few weeks with Covid and some DNF's that weren't his fault. The jury is still out but Perez is in a different league right now.

The Red Bull looks like a difficult car to drive and only Max seems able to tame it. Should Gasly get another shot? He sure is doing well in the AlphaTauri but can he tame the Red Bull? Perez and Max might be a really good pairing but I think Red Bull will be reluctant to give up on their young drivers. Perez at Williams maybe? Russell is their best driver and shows real promise but Latifi brings big bucks. On the other hand, Russell is a Mercedes protege and how much say do they have. The silly season is sillier than usual this year.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 25, 2020, 09:22:35 pm
Perez has shown himself to be a top driver. He and Hulkenberg should both still be in F1. Perez should get a ride somewhere considering his talent and how much money he brings to the table. Stroll has had a rough few weeks with Covid and some DNF's that weren't his fault. The jury is still out but Perez is in a different league right now.

The Red Bull looks like a difficult car to drive and only Max seems able to tame it. Should Gasly get another shot? He sure is doing well in the AlphaTauri but can he tame the Red Bull? Perez and Max might be a really good pairing but I think Red Bull will be reluctant to give up on their young drivers. Perez at Williams maybe? Russell is their best driver and shows real promise but Latifi brings big bucks. On the other hand, Russell is a Mercedes protege and how much say do they have. The silly season is sillier than usual this year.

If Merc were smart, theyíd ditch Bottas in favour of Russell. Heís a great kid, great driver.  Bottas has proven to be a good wing-man.   Unfortunately, I donít think Merc cares about having a great 2nd driver as long as they get the Constructorís and driverís championships.  They wonít want a great driver until Hamilton retires.  Very conservative, but they have a winning formula.  Look at todayís response to Bottas wanting to to switch to the soft tyre to try and  race Hamilton...  they kiboshed that idea on the pit-wall.

I am still holding out hope for Stroll.  I really hope heíll be a great driver.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 09:38:53 pm
If Merc were smart, theyíd ditch Bottas in favour of Russell. Heís a great kid, great driver.  Bottas has proven to be a good wing-man.   Unfortunately, I donít think Merc cares about having a great 2nd driver as long as they get the Constructorís and driverís championships.  They wonít want a great driver until Hamilton retires.  Very conservative, but they have a winning formula.  Look at todayís response to Bottas wanting to to switch to the soft tyre t race Hamilton...  they kiboshed that idea on the pit-wall.

I am still holding out hope for Stroll.  I really hope heíll be a great driver.

Bottas is in a tough spot. He is in the same position the team mates of any great driver. Being Hamiltonís or Verstappenís teammate right now is like being Schumacherís teammate back when he was winning five straight. Nico Rosberg was a heck of a driver but he only reason he beat Hamilton in 2016 was Hamilton had some really bad luck. I would like to see Russell at Mercedes though.

I give credit to Bottas for wanting softs, he knew he had to try something different. It means he hadnít given up.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 09:42:17 pm
Iím looking forward to Ricciardo and Norris being on the same team. They are two of the biggest characters in the sport. Interviews with the two of them together should be fun.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on October 25, 2020, 09:43:31 pm
Bottas is in a tough spot. He is in the same position the team mates of any great driver. Being Hamiltonís or Verstappenís teammate right now is like being Schumacherís teammate back when he was winning five straight. Nico Rosberg was a heck of a driver but he only reason he beat Hamilton in 2016 was Hamilton had some really bad luck. I would like to see Russell at Mercedes though.

I give credit to Bottas for wanting softs, he knew he had to try something different. It means he hadnít given up.

You forget, Rosberg also raced Hamilton hard enough that he would run into him, or force Hamilton to make mistakes...  Rosberg had no qualms of running Hamilton off the road, if necessary.    HUGE difference in how Rosberg raced him vs Bottas. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 09:54:20 pm
You forget, Rosberg also raced Hamilton hard enough that he would run into him, or force Hamilton to make mistakes...  Rosberg had no qualms of running Hamilton off the road, if necessary.    HUGE difference in how Rosberg raced him vs Bottas.

True, they grew up friends but that ended a year or so after they became teammates.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on October 25, 2020, 11:57:27 pm
Back in the seventies, Edmonton had a road course on the north side of town, Edmonton International Speedway that hosted Can Am and Formula Atlantic races among others. I watched Gilles Villeneuve and Nicoís dad Keke Rosberg race against each other in Formula Atlantic before they made it to F1. It was great, back in the day when you could pull right up beside the track and watch from your car.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 14, 2020, 02:20:45 pm
Holy Moly, Stroll on poll in Turkey. The kid can drive in the rain. Perez P3. Good day for Racing Point.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on November 14, 2020, 08:14:46 pm
Holy Moly, Stroll on poll in Turkey. The kid can drive in the rain. Perez P3. Good day for Racing Point.

That was awesome!  Way to go Lance!  Wow!!  That should put a lot of the doubts to bed...  he needs to find consistency, but he can definitely bring it.... 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 15, 2020, 01:43:19 pm
That was awesome!  Way to go Lance!  Wow!!  That should put a lot of the doubts to bed...  he needs to find consistency, but he can definitely bring it....

Awesome race. Another Hamilton master drive, good to see Perez and Vettel on the podium again. Wrong tires at the wrong time really cost Stroll, he was so strong when it was still raining. That Turkish F-16 put on the best pre race airshow ever.

Sounds like Hamilton wants to go for eight. Would anyone bet against him?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on November 15, 2020, 07:50:24 pm
Awesome race. Another Hamilton master drive, good to see Perez and Vettel on the podium again. Wrong tires at the wrong time really cost Stroll, he was so strong when it was still raining. That Turkish F-16 put on the best pre race airshow ever.

Sounds like Hamilton wants to go for eight. Would anyone bet against him?

WTF???   That was awful for Stroll.  Bad call by the team.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 15, 2020, 07:59:23 pm
WTF???   That was awful for Stroll.  Bad call by the team.

A bad call cost Perez a podium in the last race, maybe that will bode well for Stroll in the next.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 29, 2020, 12:57:28 pm
WTF???   That was awful for Stroll.  Bad call by the team.

Damon Hill interview of Stroll. They couldn't figure out why he was so slow after the pit stop in Turkey. After the race they found a piece of front wing missing that they couldn't see while the the car was on the track.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on November 29, 2020, 08:35:24 pm
Damon Hill interview of Stroll. They couldn't figure out why he was so slow after the pit stop in Turkey. After the race they found a piece of front wing missing that they couldn't see while the the car was on the track.

Yeah.  Poor Lance.  Bad luck.

He was upside down today!! 

Not as bad as Grosjean splitting his car in half in a massive fireball!   Lucky heís alive!!   

Crazy race today.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 29, 2020, 09:27:56 pm
Yeah.  Poor Lance.  Bad luck.

He was upside down today!! 

Not as bad as Grosjean splitting his car in half in a massive fireball!   Lucky heís alive!!   

Crazy race today.

Ya, bad break for Lance but at least he will be racing next week. Wouldn't be surprised if Hulkenberg is in a Haas next race.

An unbelievable testament to the safety of today's cars. That would not have been survivable a few years ago, the halo protected him from decapitation, the Hanns device allowed him to absorb 50+G deceleration without breaking his neck and the capsule kept him from breaking both legs. He managed to crawl out of a fireball and climb over a barrier with nothing more than second degree burns on his hands and a leg and a some broken ribs. That was the scariest crash I have seen in years. My first thought was, ****, no one is walking away from this one. A huge sigh of relief when I watched him walk to the ambulance.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 30, 2020, 03:28:03 pm
Apparently Grosjean's only injuries were burns to his hands. He hit the barrier at 137 MPH and sustained 53G.

Interest BBC article if you haven't already seen it.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55124967
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on November 30, 2020, 08:45:01 pm
Apparently Grosjean's only injuries were burns to his hands. He hit the barrier at 137 MPH and sustained 53G.

Interest BBC article if you haven't already seen it.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55124967

Informative article, but a bit of a sensational headline.  There is no ďsoul searchingĒ to be done... 

All there is to be done is analysis and improvement in the barriers. 

Itís an inherently dangerous sport.  Thereís just no getting around that.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on November 30, 2020, 08:49:29 pm
Informative article, but a bit of a sensational headline.  There is no ďsoul searchingĒ to be done... 

All there is to be done is analysis and improvement in the barriers. 

Itís an inherently dangerous sport.  Thereís just no getting around that.

Ya, I agree the headline was a bit over the top but a good article none the less.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 01, 2020, 02:20:53 pm
Hamilton tested positive for Covid, won't be racing this weekend.

Should be a very interesting race. Hope they draft Hulkenberg to fill his seat and he finally gets a podium.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on December 01, 2020, 02:54:38 pm
Hamilton tested positive for Covid, won't be racing this weekend.

Should be a very interesting race. Hope they draft Hulkenberg to fill his seat and he finally gets a podium.

Bottas might actually beat his teammate this weekend....  or at least, heís better!!!
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 01, 2020, 08:04:56 pm
Bottas might actually beat his teammate this weekend....  or at least, heís better!!!

They are just using the outer track this weekend. Long straights, not many corners.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 04, 2020, 12:18:30 am
Russell getting a shot with Mercedes this weekend. Hope the kid nails it.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on December 04, 2020, 03:21:52 pm
This track is going to be very interesting....

(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/Bahrain-Outer-Track/Sakhir-gp.png)
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 04, 2020, 06:07:16 pm
Mini Monza?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on December 04, 2020, 06:14:35 pm
Mini Monza?

Remember the old Hockenheim where they would drive for what seemed like miles out into the forest?  That was a great track.... 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 04, 2020, 07:03:07 pm
Remember the old Hockenheim where they would drive for what seemed like miles out into the forest?  That was a great track....

Yes but I always think of that track as the place Jim Clark died.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on December 04, 2020, 08:21:03 pm
Yes but I always think of that track as the place Jim Clark died.

Almost every older track has that sort of history....   Imola - Senna and Ratzenberger....

Rindt and Petersen at Monza...

Bianchi at Suzuka...

I would take the risk if I was good enough to be an F1 driver...  It's not good they died, and it's a bit macabre to think about them dying for our entertainment...   but they did die doing something they were all passionate about. 
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 05, 2020, 12:46:12 pm
Did you watch Brundle's interview of Grosjean? Spine tingling how he processed the event as it was happening.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 06, 2020, 03:32:39 pm
What a wacky race. Fantastic for Checo. Nice to see a completely different podium. Mercedes team usually functions like a machine but when the wheels fall off, they go big.
Looks like Russell is no longer a star of the future, he's arrived.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on December 06, 2020, 05:36:38 pm
What a wacky race. Fantastic for Checo. Nice to see a completely different podium. Mercedes team usually functions like a machine but when the wheels fall off, they go big.
Looks like Russell is no longer a star of the future, he's arrived.

Yeah, that was nuts.  Good race. 

Bottas must be massively concerned...   a replacement driver kicked his ass.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 06, 2020, 05:57:53 pm
Yeah, that was nuts.  Good race. 

Bottas must be massively concerned...   a replacement driver kicked his ass.

Bottas keeps blowing starts and putting himself behind the eight ball at the beginning. He might have walked away with it if he had a good start and the pit crews didn't royally screw it up.

If Hamilton retires, what do you think about Perez and Russell in the Mercedes for 2022?
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: the_squid on December 07, 2020, 01:53:02 pm
Bottas keeps blowing starts and putting himself behind the eight ball at the beginning. He might have walked away with it if he had a good start and the pit crews didn't royally screw it up.

If Hamilton retires, what do you think about Perez and Russell in the Mercedes for 2022?

I want someone in Merc while Hamilton is still there who has the potential to actually beat him.  Merc doesnít want that though...   they have the best of combination for them...  Hamilton the clear favourite, but with a wingman fast enough to help get them the Constructorís. 

I like both those drivers a lot though!!  Perez deserves to stay in F1 with a big team, and Russell deserves something better than Williams.
Title: Re: Auto Racing
Post by: wilber on December 11, 2020, 10:13:58 am
Alonso takes his old Renault around Yas Marina this weekend. Boy do I miss those cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgv1iN9HR8