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Title: WE Scandal
Post by: Boges on July 27, 2020, 02:46:07 pm
Since this site is back.

Let's hear everyone say how JT isn't corrupt AF for sole sourcing 900 mil to this company.

Not to mention members of his family and finance minister getting freebies from the company.

Nothing to see here?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on July 27, 2020, 03:23:19 pm
Well, lots to see but... isn't it just typical Canadian Liberal skimming ? 

A trip here and there... You help me, I'll get your buddy a job later on... etc.

I'm not condoning it, but the poll numbers I saw still had Trudeau up against... (checks his notes)  wait Scheer is still here ?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 04:30:14 pm
I'm not condoning it

what is, as you say, "it"?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:05:56 pm
facts matter!

- the Canada Student Service Grant program was allocated a $900 million budget
- per the formal Contribution Agreement with the WE Charity Foundation of Canada, up to $500 million could have paid out in the form of grants to students across three cohorts of potential volunteers
- based on the actual number of student volunteers realized, up to $43.53 million would have been allocated to the WE Charity Foundation for administering the program
- of that potential $43.53 million administration amount, up to $8.75 million of that $43.53 million was eligible to be shared among the partnering charities and non-profit organizations that supervised the volunteers
- slimeball Pierre Poilievre has so easily shifted from his shrieking over $1 billion dollars down to the actual $500 million that could have been paid as grants to students; yet somehow PP et al are still nattering on about an admin payment range (for eligible expenses) to WE Charity of between $19.5 and $43 million... not properly factoring in payments to partnering charities & non-profits => actual range as between $14.2 and $34.18 million.

yes, facts matter!

JT... sole sourcing 900 mil to this company.

citation request that identifies your misinformation source
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:07:35 pm
what the lame-assed & ConMedia fails to adequately (if at all) present - public service recommendation!

=> thread reader roll-up of 11 related tweets from @IshatReza

(https://i.imgur.com/tOvvnHW.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:08:47 pm
Watch: weakAndy admits he's full of shyte! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1286688244575412231/pu/vid/1298x720/F-SJWi_A31SAfCRe.mp4?tag=10)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:09:34 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Hsy175R.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:12:11 pm

WE Charity Response to Finance Committee Hearing
(https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/we-charity-response-to-finance-committee-hearing-831890925.html)

Quote
- False Claim that WE is "part of the Liberal Party election machine" or shared its database with third-parties
- False Claim that the CSSG contribution agreement was made with WE Charity Foundation, "a real estate holding company"
- False Claim that WE Charity inappropriately owns real estate.
- False Claim that WE Charity was in a financial crisis prior to the CSSG
- False Claim: ME to WE Social Enterprise is inappropriate
- False Claim: Kielburger family real estate benefiting from WE Charity
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*Kate Bahen, lead of Charity Intelligence, was referenced at multiple times during the testimony. She has made multiple inaccurate statements to media over the over the past two weeks. Please see HERE (https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:c03a0163-d5d2-4a22-bd12-094b7252ba70#pageNum=1) for an open letter correcting the public record.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:13:25 pm
oh my... isn't this the same guy out there demanding a Morneau resignation?

per 2018 report from Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion: Pierre Poilievre, the current Conservative "Shadow Minister" for Finance, accepted over $21,600 worth of free travel for him and his girlfriend to visit Taiwan.

bigDiff: Morneau has repaid his travel cost... waddabout you, hey PP?  ;D
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:14:06 pm
oh my! Uhhh... hey member wilber, does this guy cast a... shadow?  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/8ZKKRsT.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 27, 2020, 05:35:29 pm
hey students... in the throes of the COVID-19 pandemic, under the pressures of limited time and per the recommendation of public servants at ESDC (Employment and Social Development Canada), the Liberal government had a plan/program for you - FOR YOU!

unfortunately FOR YOU, the CONDP (fueled by an obliging media), put an end to it!

(https://i.imgur.com/OhVvODQ.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 27, 2020, 09:00:11 pm
Wow, eight posts in a row by waldo. Struck a nerve there, right in the funny bone.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 12:37:44 am
oh my! ConPremier Moe, oh my!

(https://i.imgur.com/oG2Ac8K.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 12:53:02 am
et tu, O'Tool!  :o

(https://i.imgur.com/GQYQdBf.jpg)

Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on July 28, 2020, 01:21:21 am
Yes, lots of people used to be proud to be associated with WE until they came under scrutiny. Telus, Virgin Airlines, RBC, the Globe and Mail, Toronto public school board...

 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 01:28:39 am
Yes, lots of people used to be proud to be associated with WE until they came under scrutiny. Telus, Virgin Airlines, RBC, the Globe and Mail, Toronto public school board...

your "scrutiny": the bullshyte Canadaland article you linked to... oh ya, and the "testimony" of charlatan Krause!  ;D And, of course, add in the uber-partisanship of the CONDP (aided and abetted by an obliging media that, apparently, no longer has the chops to do actual investigations)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 01:34:15 am
The media is biased against the LPC.   ::)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on July 28, 2020, 01:36:20 am
It must be a conspiracy!  All the politicians and all the media-- even the Ceeb and the TorStar-- all in on it to bring down the Kielbergers and the Liberals!

 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 01:42:38 am
The media is biased against the LPC.   ::)

conMedia most assuredly is... (most of) the rest no longer have the resources, funding or inclination to do actual investigative journalism
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 01:50:03 am
It must be a conspiracy!  All the politicians and all the media-- even the Ceeb and the TorStar-- all in on it to bring down the Kielbergers and the Liberals!

as naive as you typically are, perhaps you could offer comment on why its taken this long for facts to begin to rise above the bullshyte being pedaled by CONDP'a weakAndy & Jugmeat along with the sorry-assed commentary from the likes of Akin, Goldstein, Vassy, Solomon, etc.!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 01:50:10 am
conMedia most assuredly is... (most of) the rest no longer have the resources, funding or inclination to do actual investigative journalism

Which is what?  That they all do it?  It still doesn't make it right.

At the very least Morneau needs to step down. 
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 01:51:30 am
At the very least Morneau needs to step down.

for what? Exactly... what?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on July 28, 2020, 01:52:09 am
Well, maybe Katie Telford can get out her Rolodex and line up some people to write some op-eds.

as naive as you typically are, perhaps you could offer comment on why its taken this long for facts to begin to rise above the bullshyte being pedaled by CONDP'a weakAndy & Jugmeat along with the sorry-assed commentary from the likes of Akin, Goldstein, Vassy, Solomon, etc.!

Only a king-sized putz would talk **** about Vassy.

 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 01:54:23 am
for what? Exactly... what?

For 'forgetting' the $40K tab.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on July 28, 2020, 01:56:30 am
For 'forgetting' the $40K tab.

The dog ate his homework.

 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 02:01:41 am
Well, maybe Katie Telford can get out her Rolodex and line up some people to write some op-eds.

Only a king-sized putz would talk **** about Vassy.

pardon me if I don't put any credence into something spewed by St. Jody!  ;D

as for Vassy? Is she your girl? She just happens to be one of the worst!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 02:04:56 am
For 'forgetting' the $40K tab.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hsy175R.png)

meanwhile, as I read, Morneau has previously donated $100K+ to WE
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 02:17:58 am
I don't buy it for a second that he could 'forget' but even if he did, he clearly made a grave error bringing into question his ability to fulfill his role.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 02:47:42 am
I don't buy it for a second that he could 'forget' but even if he did, he clearly made a grave error bringing into question his ability to fulfill his role.

so... no recognition from you on the prior personal donations made hey! More on that referenced 100K donation made by Morneau to WE Charity... came in the form of 2 separate donations of $50K each over a 2 year period.

as for the $41K, WE Charity never invoiced as it 'comped' the cost for Morneau's family stay... as is the regular practice of WE when inviting potential supporters. And yes, certainly, rules don't allow for Ministers to accept sponsored travel costs. Note: the waldo has asked his crack research team to confirm whether the rules apply only to the Minister proper... or extends to also include family members. In any case, Morneau paid $41K after asking for a determination of what charges would have applied at the time - which was determined at the rate: USD $ 4,395 per person.

and, again: the public servants at ESDC selected, then recommended WE... and as shown today, 20 organizations were looked at prior to the eventual selection of WE. As prior testimony has showed, neither PM Trudeau or Minister Morneau had any involvement and/or engagement with ESDC in its selection/recommendation process.

also, apparently no recognition from you as to how Morneau has helped guide Canada/Canadians through the pandemic - oh my! A, as you say, grave error... on your part!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 03:01:20 am
I don't think Morneau handled the pandemic spectacularly so I won't cut him any slack on WE because of it.  I also don't think his donation should have any bearing on anything. 

Maybe I'm just strange, but I prefer finance ministers who remember when they have a conflict of interest and ensure that they don't put themselves in such a position. 

As someone who works in finance, if I 'accidentally' forgot to reimburse the company for monies owed, I don't think 'I forgot' would do me much good.  I am in a position of trust and it's up to me to make sure I don't forget these things.   

That's IF I accept that he really forgot.  Which I don't.

At best case scenario, he's too incompetent to be entrusted with his role. 
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 03:19:56 am
there's no asking you to, as you say, "cut some slack". Prior to having you broadly (without substance/detail) imply Morneau's overall incompetence, the reference point you offered was the $41K. Highlighting his prior donations in the order of an amount double that is simply providing perspective on his charitable focus/nature... more pointedly, the guy has a significant wealth that precludes the need for you to shovel innuendo!

since you claim to be "in Finance", perhaps you could speak to what/how the Finance Ministers you, as you say, prefer... would have done it differently... better... in terms of, as you say, handling the pandemic. Make sure to highlight incompetence since, up to now, you're solely relying upon that $41K amount as the determiner.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 03:42:18 am
there's no asking you to, as you say, "cut some slack". Prior to having you broadly (without substance/detail) imply Morneau's overall incompetence, the reference point you offered was the $41K. Highlighting his prior donations in the order of an amount double that is simply providing perspective on his charitable focus/nature... more pointedly, the guy has a significant wealth that precludes the need for you to shovel innuendo!

since you claim to be "in Finance", perhaps you could speak to what/how the Finance Ministers you, as you say, prefer... would have done it differently... better... in terms of, as you say, handling the pandemic. Make sure to highlight incompetence since, up to now, you're solely relying upon that $41K amount as the determiner.

I would expect my company to fire me (and likely sue me) if I ever 'forgot' to pay back material personal expenses.  It would bring into question my capacity to look out for the interest of the company and it would also bring into question if there are any other memory lapses that simply have not yet surfaced.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: Boges on July 28, 2020, 07:41:14 am
I actually don't care too much about this.

More of the same for JT. The CPC is leaderless and COVID-19 is more important, he'll be fine.

But member waldo's frantic defence of JT was well worth the wait.  ;D

I will say, much of the revelations of this scandal came from Canadaland and the CBC. ConMedia? really?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 28, 2020, 09:25:37 am
Anyone else here remember when there was a thing called ministerial accountability and ministers would. Step aside  while these enquires were in progress or even actually resign?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 10:33:05 am
since you claim to be "in Finance", perhaps you could speak to what/how the Finance Ministers you, as you say, prefer... would have done it differently... better... in terms of, as you say, handling the pandemic. Make sure to highlight incompetence since, up to now, you're solely relying upon that $41K amount as the determiner.

member BC_cheque, notwithstanding your broadly applied innuendo, you implied overall incompetence - yet somehow, when directly asked to address what your preferred Finance Ministers would have done differently... done better... you choose to revert back to the same travel cost item.

(https://i.imgur.com/zSBXTio.jpg)

so ya, ignore the big picture in favour of continuing to spew innuendo over chumpChange!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 10:41:38 am
I actually don't care too much about this.

But member waldo's frantic defence of JT was well worth the wait.  ;D

nothing frantic here... that's just you so used to the other board's echo chamber. Testimony given to-date confirms neither PM Trudeau or Minister Morneau had any involvement, any engagement with the public service that chose WE, then recommended WE. But yes, they both should have recused themselves when that recommendation made its way to Cabinet. Riddle me this member Boges: do you expect those respective recusals would have changed... anything... anything beyond yet another pumped up fake scandal from the CPC (aided & abetted by Jugmeat and an obliging media)?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 10:47:39 am
Anyone else here remember when there was a thing called ministerial accountability and ministers would. Step aside  while these enquires were in progress or even actually resign?

examples of the 'ministerial accountability' you're pining for... the "step asides, the resignations"?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 28, 2020, 11:03:00 am
examples of the 'ministerial accountability' you're pining for... the "step asides, the resignations"?

Used to be the established practice back in the seventies and before, now it is hang on until you are dragged out. Not a Liberal phenomena, it's common to all parties now.


Must be tough times for waldo when even the Liberal supporters on this forum aren't buying it.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 28, 2020, 11:09:05 am
there's no asking you to, as you say, "cut some slack". Prior to having you broadly (without substance/detail) imply Morneau's overall incompetence, the reference point you offered was the $41K. Highlighting his prior donations in the order of an amount double that is simply providing perspective on his charitable focus/nature... more pointedly, the guy has a significant wealth that precludes the need for you to shovel innuendo!

since you claim to be "in Finance", perhaps you could speak to what/how the Finance Ministers you, as you say, prefer... would have done it differently... better... in terms of, as you say, handling the pandemic. Make sure to highlight incompetence since, up to now, you're solely relying upon that $41K amount as the determiner.

I would say that incompetence would be the nicest thing you could say about a minister who takes trips like this without even asking who is paying the bills.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 11:18:38 am
Anyone else here remember when there was a thing called ministerial accountability and ministers would. Step aside  while these enquires were in progress or even actually resign?
examples of the 'ministerial accountability' you're pining for... the "step asides, the resignations"?
Used to be the established practice back in the seventies and before, now it is hang on until you are dragged out. Not a Liberal phenomena, it's common to all parties now.

so ya gots nuthin then, hey!  ;D
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 11:26:24 am
I would say that incompetence would be the nicest thing you could say about a minister who takes trips like this without even asking who is paying the bills.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hsy175R.png)

"trips like this"!  ;D Ya, there's a few vids circulating now showcasing just what those trips were about - certainly NOT the lavishLivin portrayals pushed by weakAndy et al. But of course, you lapped it all up - yet another fakeScandal that is finally now being countered with actual facts beginning to surface.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 28, 2020, 11:28:13 am
http://dtpr.lib.athabascau.ca/action/download.php?filename=mais/KathleenMcLeodFinalProject_Revised.pdf

This refers to accountability under Harper but is common to all parties these days. Now it seems ministers aren't even accountable for their own actions, let alone their departments. Unless of course your name is JWR or Philpott and you cross JT.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 28, 2020, 11:30:44 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Hsy175R.png)

"trips like this"!  ;D Ya, there's a few vids circulating now showcasing just what those trips were about - certainly NOT the lavishLivin portrayals pushed by weakAndy et al. But of course, you lapped it all up - yet another fakeScandal that is finally now being countered with actual facts beginning to surface.

Ya right. I meant to cover the costs, if I ever got around to asking what they were. The guy is a Cabinet minister for Christ sake, incompetence is being polite.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 11:46:27 am
http://dtpr.lib.athabascau.ca/action/download.php?filename=mais/KathleenMcLeodFinalProject_Revised.pdf

This refers to accountability under Harper but is common to all parties these days. Now it seems ministers aren't even accountable for their own actions, let alone their departments. Unless of course your name is JWR or Philpott and you cross JT.

you should actually read your own linked reference... it certainly doesn't highlight your pined for Ministerial accountability - it showcases the unaccountable Harper Conservative Ministers who pushed off that accountability to the public service!

so encouraging to read you showcasing yet another fake scandal pushed by weakAndy/CPC and an obliging media (Con or otherwise) - nice to read you're still so buttHurt over being schooled so many times within those SNC related threads.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 28, 2020, 12:08:20 pm
you should actually read your own linked reference... it certainly doesn't highlight your pined for Ministerial accountability - it showcases the unaccountable Harper Conservative Ministers who pushed off that accountability to the public service!

so encouraging to read you showcasing yet another fake scandal pushed by weakAndy/CPC and an obliging media (Con or otherwise) - nice to read you're still so buttHurt over being schooled so many times within those SNC related threads.

I was making an observation about the decline in Canadian politics in general, the Conservatives are no less guilty than the Liberals. You blather on about the unfair media while at the same time post a plethora of articles from that same media which you believe support your argument. You sound more like a Trump supporter every day.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2020, 01:08:49 pm
You blather on about the unfair media while at the same time post a plethora of articles from that same media which you believe support your argument. You sound more like a Trump supporter every day.

say what? Per your norm, you've reverted to making shyte up! I've provided ONE article extract from the NP... oh, and ONE reference from the CNW aggregator. This is your described "plethora of articles"?  ;D

c'mon member wilber - do better/be better!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 01:43:10 pm
Ya right. I meant to cover the costs, if I ever got around to asking what they were. The guy is a Cabinet minister for Christ sake, incompetence is being polite.

Oh yeah, I said at best case scenario he's incompetent.  That's if we take his word at face value.

Personally, I don't think it's plausible to 'forget' such a commitment. 
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on July 28, 2020, 01:47:42 pm
member BC_cheque, notwithstanding your broadly applied innuendo, you implied overall incompetence - yet somehow, when directly asked to address what your preferred Finance Ministers would have done differently... done better... you choose to revert back to the same travel cost item.

(https://i.imgur.com/zSBXTio.jpg)

so ya, ignore the big picture in favour of continuing to spew innuendo over chumpChange!

I don't understand what you're saying here. 

Are you asking me what I would've like him to do differently during a pandemic?  If so, I'm not getting into a thread drift about CEWS/CERB because they are completely irrelevant to the WE scandal's 'chump change' $40K forgotten reimbursement.

If you're asking something else, please clarify.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 28, 2020, 07:58:26 pm
Oh yeah, I said at best case scenario he's incompetent.  That's if we take his word at face value.

Personally, I don't think it's plausible to 'forget' such a commitment.
You would think the first thing a minister would ask is who is paying and where is the money coming from? Any MP really but especially members of government.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on July 28, 2020, 09:05:28 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseBrown/status/1278819248014532609

The Kielbergers apparently had a private investigator looking into Jessie Brown's (Canadaland) wife and kids.

They claim this is 'standard' for preparing for a libel lawsuit.  The chair of the WE board said she thought speakers weren't paid ?

Waldo - I'm beginning to think there may be something afoot here !!!  ;D ;D ;D

Good for Canadaland finally getting some attention, by the way... They put this story forward last year as I recall. 
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 29, 2020, 08:50:03 am
Are you asking me what I would've like him to do differently during a pandemic?  If so, I'm not getting into a thread drift about CEWS/CERB because they are completely irrelevant to the WE scandal's 'chump change' $40K forgotten reimbursement.

as I said, you stated overall incompetence based solely on the $41K... while broadly speaking to, as you stated, your preferred type of Finance Minister; other than your junkyard dog focus on the $41K you also stated you weren't particularly enamored with steps taken during the pandemic. Just thought you could easily support your broad based incompetency labeling - apparently not!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 29, 2020, 09:04:29 am
The Kielbergers apparently had a private investigator looking into Jessie Brown's (Canadaland) wife and kids. They claim this is 'standard' for preparing for a libel lawsuit.

who is your "They claiming"? Apparently if one is looking for a most reputable litigator, one skilled/expert in defamation matters, that lawyer mentioned is highly sought out. How am I not surprised that you'd think your Canadaland boy was someone above & beyond being held to account for things he says/writes - go figure!

The chair of the WE board said she thought speakers weren't paid ?

I do believe this reflects upon the distinction between actual WE Day speaking and any other ancillary events beyond. As confirmed during yesterday's testimony, speakers are not paid for appearing as a part of the WE Day event itself.

Waldo - I'm beginning to think there may be something afoot here !!!  ;D ;D ;D

given the superficial level you appear to be at in reviewing this fake scandal, I'm not surprised you would think so.

Good for Canadaland finally getting some attention, by the way... They put this story forward last year as I recall.

you've got blinders on; try a googly - there's certainly no shortage of critical comment/review available concerning your fav Canadaland!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 29, 2020, 09:15:20 am
after the fact viewing of how the best of the CONDP conducted themselves during yesterday's appearance of the WE Charity's Kielburger brothers... anyone care to offer support for the behavior of CPC Poilievre & CPC Cooper and NDP Angus?  ;D

video is available! C'mon, go for it...
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on July 29, 2020, 09:20:26 am
who is your "They claiming"?

The lawyers who were carrying it out.

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Apparently if one is looking for a most reputable litigator, one skilled/expert in defamation matters, that lawyer mentioned is highly sought out. How am I not surprised that you'd think your Canadaland boy was someone above & beyond being held to account for things he says/writes - go figure!

How does that have anything to do with finding out which schools his kids went to ?

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I do believe this reflects upon the distinction between actual WE Day speaking and any other ancillary events beyond. As confirmed during yesterday's testimony, speakers are not paid for appearing as a part of the WE Day event itself.

given the superficial level you appear to be at in reviewing this fake scandal, I'm not surprised you would think so.

Well, I see a headline that raises my eyebrows.  I write it down here.  'Superficial level' ?  Maybe I'm just not interested in spending time investigating claims.  I suggest it's because - although I think the Liberals are adequate - I don't have the odd fiery compulsion to make sure that they are defended as being perfect on these pages.

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you've got blinders on; try a googly - there's certainly no shortage of critical comment/review available concerning your fav Canadaland!

He's better than some newspapers at engaging with criticism and correcting/apologizing when necessary.  The static and comfortable Canadian press needs someone who is not connected to power to publish such things.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: JMT on July 29, 2020, 04:37:40 pm
Since this site is back.

Let's hear everyone say how JT isn't corrupt AF for sole sourcing 900 mil to this company.

Not to mention members of his family and finance minister getting freebies from the company.

Nothing to see here?

While your details might not be completely accurate (it isn't about $900M), I'm not going to defend this. It's wrong, and though it may not have been intentional (hard to believe) it isn't right, and was very avoidable. Waldo is all by his lonesome here.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on July 29, 2020, 05:02:58 pm
Waldo should also not worry too much about the impact, IMO
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 29, 2020, 06:53:33 pm
How does that have anything to do with finding out which schools his kids went to ?

you stated: "The Kielbergers apparently had a private investigator looking into Jessie Brown's (Canadaland) wife and kids."

as I interpret, the investigation company (that specializes in background checks) was contracted by the litigator specializing in defamation... that's 2 levels beyond the persons you're attributing your stated "looking" to.

do better/be better!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 29, 2020, 07:21:38 pm
Let's hear everyone say how JT isn't corrupt AF for sole sourcing 900 mil to this company.
While your details might not be completely accurate (it isn't about $900M), I'm not going to defend this. It's wrong, and though it may not have been intentional (hard to believe) it isn't right, and was very avoidable. Waldo is all by his lonesome here.

accurate??? As I understand, it was the independent public service that reviewed 20 organizations before deciding upon WE... then recommending WE. The agreement struck was between the public service and WE... for up to $500 million - all of which would have been distributed to students. Keilberger testimony yesterday had them suggest the actual figure would more likely be in the $300 million area based upon their expectations on the number of students and how many hours they respectively would have volunteered. More pointedly, again per the agreement, WE would not receive any money beyond the cost of administering the program (directly and indirectly over partner companies/non-profits). The admin fee that WE would receive was graduated based upon the number of students engaged... and the admin fee was only for eligible expenses as determined per the agreement struck between the public service and WE.

given the actions of weakAndy & Jugmeat, students now have lost out - job well done by the CONDP!



Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on July 29, 2020, 08:03:37 pm
you stated: "The Kielbergers apparently had a private investigator looking into Jessie Brown's (Canadaland) wife and kids."

as I interpret, the investigation company (that specializes in background checks) was contracted by the litigator specializing in defamation... that's 2 levels beyond the persons you're attributing your stated "looking" to.

do better/be better!

WOW.  You got me.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: the_squid on July 29, 2020, 09:48:53 pm
WOW.  You got me.

Why would they have even thought to “look into” the journalist’s wife and kids in a “defamation issue”?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 29, 2020, 09:55:38 pm
Why would they have even thought to “look into” the journalist’s wife and kids in a “defamation issue”?

Why indeed.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: eyeball on July 30, 2020, 01:48:48 pm
facts matter!

Does it matter at all that Trudeau and Morneau apologized, why would they do that if facts mattered?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 30, 2020, 01:58:53 pm
Testimony given to-date confirms neither PM Trudeau or Minister Morneau had any involvement, any engagement with the public service that chose WE, then recommended WE. But yes, they both should have recused themselves when that recommendation made its way to Cabinet.

Does it matter at all that Trudeau and Morneau apologized, why would they do that if facts mattered?

are there... facts... you're particularly wanting to question... to emphasize?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: eyeball on July 30, 2020, 02:23:18 pm
are there... facts... you're particularly wanting to question... to emphasize?
I'd have to actually see the facts to even know where or who to begin asking about them.  As always we're left in the lurch without any meaningful institutions of accountability in our governance.  This typically stinks but that's apparently an unalterable aspect of governance.

I'm way more interested in how much partisanship plays a role in rationalizing and normalizing it.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 30, 2020, 09:42:56 pm
I'm way more interested in how much partisanship plays a role in rationalizing and normalizing it.

& how much {CONDP} partisanship plays an agenda-driven role in generating baseless/unsubstantiated "alternative facts" intended to... rationalize & normalize fake scandals (aided & abetted by an obliging media that favours yellow journalism at the expense of genuine unbiased investigative practice)

a twitter thread roll-up of today's testimony:

(https://i.imgur.com/waWMJYJ.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on July 30, 2020, 10:35:16 pm
So is Katie going to fall on her sword because she didn't advise JT he was in conflict, or did she just assume he should know by now?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on July 31, 2020, 02:51:28 am
So is Katie going to fall on her sword because she didn't advise JT he was in conflict, or did she just assume he should know by now?

hey now member wilber, I'd expect nothing less from you! How on brand for you to personally assign conflict. I guess you missed the part where Ms. Sophie was previously given a green-light by the ethicsCom... but go ahead, spell out the conflict - specifically state your perceived conflict - sure you can.

pro-tip: there's your favoured appearance/perception of... then there's reality!


member squiggy - grow a set... don't hide behind your perpetual reach for yet another DumbTag.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: eyeball on July 31, 2020, 11:56:20 am
& how much {CONDP} partisanship plays an agenda-driven role in generating baseless/unsubstantiated "alternative facts"
As much as anyone if it suits I suppose and that's the issue that we as the governed need to address because too much time, resources and public goodwill towards the government are wasted on this ****.  Unjustly accused politicians should benefit from being able to correct alternative facts by pointing to a public record of real one's immediately. Anyone trying to present alternative facts the way you fear would be nuts to even try if they knew the record would make them look like idiots the minute they tried.

We govern ourselves at our own as well as our representatives peril without adequate institutions of accountability in place to protect everyone's interests.  Think of accountability as being like shielding. Power corrupts and exposing our representatives to it is like exposing nuclear workers to radiation. Both need shielding.  You could also think of politicians as being like irresponsible partiers whose recklessness leads to them catching a disease and then infecting society around them.  You wouldn't want a radiated nuclear worker sitting next to you on a subway would you?

And we just keep putting up with it so....a pox on everyone's house I guess including the public's but especially on those who prefer things just the way they are.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: JMT on August 01, 2020, 11:27:18 pm
So, I think we may have lost the plot. It seems like some people have a real vendetta against WE.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: BC_cheque on August 02, 2020, 02:40:09 am
Yeah, I don't know what to make of it.  On paper, the two brothers appear exceptional but listening to them they come across very smarmy.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on August 02, 2020, 03:28:24 am
Leaving aside the relationship with Bill Morneau or the Trudeau family, there's still lots of questions around WE. All the ex-employees sharing negative stories, the NDAs, the directors resigning, real-estate flipping, the nature of the relationship between WE and ME to WE.  Last week we found out that they hired a Republican-linked firm to plant negative articles in the media to attack Canadaland, and posted "micro-jobs" for search-engine manipulation work to boost positive stories about WE and hide negative stories.

It seems like there is lots to question even without the issue of trying to foster a cozy relationship with politicians. Morneau and the Trudeaus might not have felt like they were being courted, but it sure seems like the WE brothers were trying to court them. And you have to wonder how many others they have influenced in the same way.  Did they likewise try to foster this sort of friendly relationship with school board officials in order to get their organization embedded in schools?

And the whole "voluntourism" idea seems shady to me. Send your kids on an expensive vacation to Africa, get a charitable tax deduction... to me it sounds like a tax dodge for rich families.  Writing a big cheque to the charity and then getting a complementary luxury vacation "to see your charity dollars in action" is particularly distasteful.

 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 02, 2020, 10:39:36 am
Yeah, I don't know what to make of it.  On paper, the two brothers appear exceptional but listening to them they come across very smarmy.

smarmy? How so? I've seen extended videos of the testimony. In the face of the most antagonizing, belligerent, interrupting tactics displayed by the likes of Poilievre, Cooper, Angus, Fortin, etc., it's a wonder they didn't just walk out. Instead, they held fast, maintained a positive presence and tried to answer questions in the face of the CONDP & BQ clown show!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 02, 2020, 10:47:22 am
All the ex-employees sharing negative stories, the NDAs, the directors resigning, real-estate flipping, the nature of the relationship between WE and ME to WE.  Last week we found out that they hired a Republican-linked firm to plant negative articles in the media to attack Canadaland, and posted "micro-jobs" for search-engine manipulation work to boost positive stories about WE and hide negative stories.

that's quite the laundry list! Other than your fav source Canadaland, care to offer citations for your individual points... ones that don't themselves source back to Canadaland?

(https://i.imgur.com/vf7XcKl.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on August 02, 2020, 12:31:02 pm
that's quite the laundry list! Other than your fav source Canadaland, care to offer citations for your individual points... ones that don't themselves source back to Canadaland?

(https://i.imgur.com/vf7XcKl.png)

The claim that WE was working with Republican media consultants actually traces to IRS filings:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-we-charity-spent-hundreds-of-thousands-on-us-political-consultants/

The claim that WE used micro-jobs to manipulate search engine results actually traces to postings on Microworkers.com.

https://nationalpost.com/news/its-highly-unethical-someone-paid-nearly-200-people-to-promote-positive-we-charity-stories-on-google/wcm/bd05f17e-fa0b-46bb-9657-8f85be87a38d/

There were a number of resignations from the board of directors, including Michelle Douglas who testified last week that she resigned in March (before the CSSG was in planning) because WE would not provide her with financial records and cancelled her meetings with the CFO. That's not one you can blame on Canadaland either.  The questions about the relationship between WE and ME to WE have been raised by Charity Intelligence Canada.  The document from WE's private investigator was posted on Twitter, and specifically references Brown's kids.  Are you really trying to suggest that all this was just fabricated by Canadaland?

 And now we have Toronto city council asking why they paid millions of dollars to lease space from WE.  I wonder if somebody in Toronto's city hall got free vacations too.

 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: JMT on August 02, 2020, 08:20:18 pm
I often wonder how any of us would really look under the microscope. Sure, Trudeau broke the rules. Morneau broke the rules, and probably should go. He's too naive for politics. In the process, we've destroyed a Canadian charity with very low overhead that is a big deal to many students.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on August 02, 2020, 10:45:11 pm
I often wonder how any of us would really look under the microscope. Sure, Trudeau broke the rules. Morneau broke the rules, and probably should go. He's too naive for politics. In the process, we've destroyed a Canadian charity with very low overhead that is a big deal to many students.

We haven't destroyed anything, Trudeau and Morneau put WE under the microscope with their actions.  Over a million USD spent on US political consultants in the past year is low overhead? $644,000 to a single firm over a three year period
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: JMT on August 02, 2020, 10:48:30 pm
We haven't destroyed anything, Trudeau and Morneau put WE under the microscope with their actions.  Over a million USD spent on US political consultants in the past year is low overhead? $644,000 to a single firm over a three year period

In terms of percentages for their charitable operations, all the figures I've seen show them doing really well.

Like I said, we've lost the plot.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: JMT on August 02, 2020, 10:52:58 pm
We haven't destroyed anything, Trudeau and Morneau put WE under the microscope with their actions.  Over a million USD spent on US political consultants in the past year is low overhead? $644,000 to a single firm over a three year period

And btw, this didn't start with Morneau and Trudeau:

https://fairpress.ca/its-about-jesse-browns-money/

WE puts Jesse Brown's kinds through college.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: wilber on August 03, 2020, 09:42:05 am
And btw, this didn't start with Morneau and Trudeau:

https://fairpress.ca/its-about-jesse-browns-money/

WE puts Jesse Brown's kinds through college.

Canadaland may indeed have some kind of vendetta against WE but that doesn’t explain the scrutiny now being shown by MSM. That is all down to Trudeau and Morneau. How many Canadians  follow Canadaland or even know what it is.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 03, 2020, 12:35:29 pm
https://fairpress.ca/its-about-jesse-browns-money/

anti-PM Trudeau, anti-Liberal types have no problem with this described "business model" - of course not!

Canadaland may indeed have some kind of vendetta against WE but that doesn’t explain the scrutiny now being shown by MSM. That is all down to Trudeau and Morneau.

you're confusing presumptive reasoned retaliatory vengeance (ie. vendetta) with business practices... with the aforementioned "business model"

don't hesitate to actually state what you understand/interpret as PM Trudeau's "down to" - sure you can!  ;D

"MSM" scrutiny pushed by the SUN/LilleyPad - that kind of yellow journalism - that kind?



Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 03, 2020, 01:08:11 pm
In terms of percentages for their charitable operations, all the figures I've seen show them doing really well.

Like I said, we've lost the plot.

(https://i.imgur.com/FdkXI5N.png)

Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 03, 2020, 01:16:27 pm
The claim that WE was working with Republican media consultants actually traces to IRS filings:
Over a million USD spent on US political consultants in the past year is low overhead? $644,000 to a single firm over a three year period

wouldn't the appropriate reference be to, 'U.S. media consultants that worked on a Republican politicians campaign'? Notwithstanding this reflects upon the distinctly separate U.S. entity... one competing with other U.S. charities? I guess hiding in IRS plain sight is a real find, hey!  ;D
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 03, 2020, 01:24:27 pm
The document from WE's private investigator was posted on Twitter, and specifically references Brown's kids.  Are you really trying to suggest that all this was just fabricated by Canadaland?

proper wording would associate to a 'background' investigation performed by a contracted security investigations company; one contracted by a legal firm/lawyer specializing in defamation lawsuits. By the by, what twitter account posting are you referring to?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on August 03, 2020, 06:32:29 pm
1. you stated: "The Kielbergers apparently had a private investigator looking into Jessie Brown's (Canadaland) wife and kids."
 

2. do better/be better!
1. You are right, this isn't an accurate framing of what happened.
2. ok
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: the_squid on August 03, 2020, 09:28:05 pm
Why would an investigator be looking into a reporter’s wife and kids in this type of lawsuit?

Anyone...?

Anyone.....?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on August 04, 2020, 06:42:36 am
Why would an investigator be looking into a reporter’s wife and kids in this type of lawsuit?

 

You mean legitimately ?  Who knows ?  Maybe to find a counter-example of conflict of interest or something to leak to the press ?

.......

I want to say that this 'scandal' is not, for me, a case of individuals seeking out personal gain in return for favours ( as I suspect is happening with the businesses owned by the American president's family ) but rather business-as-usual laziness and lack of seriousness with Canadian resources.

Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: JMT on August 04, 2020, 07:28:59 pm
Another day, another story about the Kielburgers from Jesse Brown....I'm not even bothering anymore.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 05, 2020, 11:01:17 am
#PigeonPierre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3OV51n3PyM


hypocrite Poilievre! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1290827701654376449/pu/vid/1280x720/ugZ0PZHBe5vrT9Tl.mp4?tag=10)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: Rue on August 06, 2020, 11:06:25 am
This is a hilarious thread. I did not know just how far Waldo could insert his head up Justin's patootie. That has to hurt.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 06, 2020, 11:11:34 am
This is a hilarious thread. I did not know just how far Waldo could insert his head up Justin's patootie. That has to hurt.

hey now! Don't insultn'Run... stick around a while and showcase your PMTrudeauHatin' - sure you can! C'mon buddy, parrot your favoured CPC bullshyte!
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on August 07, 2020, 10:06:42 pm
We were told that "WE is the only organization with the national reach to deliver this program."

Now we find out that since WE's national reach apparently doesn't extend to Quebec, they had subcontracted the Quebec portion of the CSSG to a PR firm called "National".

I was already curious about the vetting process that determined that WE was somehow the only organization in Canada capable of administering the program. Particularly in light of WE laying off more than half of its employees earlier this year, and most of the board of directors resigning. Now we find out that their much-ballyhooed national presence didn't actually extend into Canada's 2nd-largest province.  I wonder how that got missed during the vetting process.

And why a PR firm, exactly?  What does a PR company know about administering a volunteer grant program?  If WE was just going to subcontract the work out to private companies, why couldn't the public service have done that themselves? Why exactly did we need to hire the Kielburgers as middle-men?

Leaving aside questions about Trudeau and Morneau family ties to the organization, I am also baffled about some of the communications we have been given. Early communications described it as a $912 million program, but now we know that there was only $500 million budgeted. What is the $912m referring to? Early on we were told that WE's cut would be $19.5 million, when Bardish Chagger testified we found out that it was actually going to be $43.5 million.  Why the discrepancy?  Why did the real numbers only come out once people were under oath before the committee?


 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 07, 2020, 11:30:18 pm
Leaving aside questions about Trudeau and Morneau family ties to the organization,

nice member kimmy - nice! ;D PM Trudeau has no family ties to WE Charity; Finance Minister Morneau has a daughter that works for WE Charity

I am also baffled about some of the communications we have been given. Early communications described it as a $912 million program, but now we know that there was only $500 million budgeted. What is the $912m referring to? Early on we were told that WE's cut would be $19.5 million, when Bardish Chagger testified we found out that it was actually going to be $43.5 million.  Why the discrepancy?  Why did the real numbers only come out once people were under oath before the committee?

clearly you've shown it doesn't take much to "baffle you"! In any case you can thank Scheer/Poilievre/CPC and lazy-azzed & biased media for the purposeful misinformation... emphasis on purposeful as the proper figures eventually came forward and were ignored by those hell-bent on manufacturing yet another fake scandal - besides, falsely hyping a $Billion dollar figure is more click-bait worthy!

facts matter!

- the Canada Student Service Grant program was allocated a $900 million budget
- per the formal Contribution Agreement with the WE Charity Foundation of Canada, up to $500 million could have paid out in the form of grants to students across three cohorts of potential volunteers
- based on the actual number of student volunteers realized, up to $43.53 million would have been allocated to the WE Charity Foundation for administering the program
- of that potential $43.53 million administration amount, up to $8.75 million of that $43.53 million was eligible to be shared among the partnering charities and non-profit organizations that supervised the volunteers
- slimeball Pierre Poilievre has so easily shifted from his shrieking over $1 billion dollars down to the actual $500 million that could have been paid as grants to students; yet somehow PP et al are still nattering on about an admin payment range (for eligible expenses) to WE Charity of between $19.5 and $43 million... not properly factoring in payments to partnering charities & non-profits => actual range as between $14.2 and $34.18 million.

yes, facts matter!

and actually: as came forward during the Keilburger brothers testimony, there is an expectation that the cost of the program would settle in closer to ~$300 million based on the anticipated number of students participating and the resultant number of volunteer hours.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 07, 2020, 11:41:57 pm
We were told that "WE is the only organization with the national reach to deliver this program."

I've never heard/read that spin - "national reach" - care to cite?

I was already curious about the vetting process that determined that WE was somehow the only organization in Canada capable of administering the program. Particularly in light of WE laying off more than half of its employees earlier this year, and most of the board of directors resigning. Now we find out that their much-ballyhooed national presence didn't actually extend into Canada's 2nd-largest province.  I wonder how that got missed during the vetting process.

you keep nattering on about WE employees layoffs and director resignations: ever hear of COVID-19... apparently its been the cause of many companies laying off employees - go figure!  ;D As for directors resigning, so you can actually present some foundation for your continued blathering, cite a source for resigning directors - one that includes reasons for - sure you can!

try a googly: apparently the public service contacted up to 20 companies in total. A few did say they could manage handling the program - in normal times; however, that COVID-19 thingee caused those same companies to state they wouldn't be able to manage the program. As for the public service itself, the claim is they didn't have the wherewithal to take on yet another program... cause, like... you know COVID-19 and all the support programs have taxed Canada's public service - again, go figure!


Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 08, 2020, 12:09:07 am
Now we find out that since WE's national reach apparently doesn't extend to Quebec, they had subcontracted the Quebec portion of the CSSG to a PR firm called "National". {bold highlighting added by the waldo}

response per WE Charity:

(https://i.imgur.com/rJ0gX1g.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on August 08, 2020, 12:24:28 am
to the prior referenced MoneySense 2019 by sector ranking of Canadian charities, added MoneySense 2020 rating of Top 100 Canadian charities

MoneySense 2019 sector ranking of Canadian charities        MoneySense 2020 ranking of Canadian charities - showing WE Charity with a Top 10 position (tied for 4th place ranking)

(https://i.imgur.com/FdkXI5N.png)           (https://i.imgur.com/c78JvjL.png)
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on September 10, 2020, 11:55:37 am
WE Charity ending its Canadian operation - well done #pigeonPierre/weakAndy, superb job NDP Angus/Jagmeat... batter-up! Look out UNICEF, United Way.....
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on September 10, 2020, 12:42:20 pm
I often wonder how any of us would really look under the microscope. Sure, Trudeau broke the rules. Morneau broke the rules, and probably should go. He's too naive for politics. In the process, we've destroyed a Canadian charity with very low overhead that is a big deal to many students.

An international development organization isn't supposed to be a "big deal to many students", it's supposed to provide money and resources to the poor in developing countries.  Spending charitable donations on speaking fees for celebrities, including the Trudeau's, isn't much of a priority.

People wanting to give will still have many other charities to donate their dollars, and more of it will probably go to the people that actually need it.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on September 10, 2020, 12:46:59 pm
WE Charity ending its Canadian operation - well done #pigeonPierre/weakAndy, superb job NDP Angus/Jagmeat... batter-up! Look out UNICEF, United Way.....

The WE brothers and the Liberal government did this to WE, not the opposition.  They were just doing their job...until Trudeau & co. thought it a nice idea to shut down Parliament & thus the investigation so MPs could all have a nice summer vacation.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: kimmy on September 10, 2020, 10:57:19 pm
WE Charity ending its Canadian operation -

Oh no, how will rich people send their kids on exotic "voluntourism" adventures now?

well done #pigeonPierre/weakAndy, superb job NDP Angus/Jagmeat... batter-up! Look out UNICEF, United Way.....

As we discussed earlier, WE was floundering badly before the service grant scheme was conjured up and had laid off more than half their employees earlier in the year. "The coronavirus, have you heard of it?" I believe you said by way of explaining their struggles.

Perhaps a model designed around big rallies, selling merch in schools, and "voluntourism" was not well suited to survive in an environment where big rallies are illegal, schools have been mostly online, and international travel is a non-starter.

Perhaps Pierre and Jagmeet and Charlie didn't actually kill this thing, maybe it just went where it was destined to go before Bardish and Bill and Justin dangled this life-line to them.

Perhaps we should heed the Star's advice and keep an eye on the money:
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/09/10/keep-watching-the-money-as-we-charity-shuts-its-canadian-operations-observers-say.html

 -k
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on September 10, 2020, 11:31:46 pm
...the opposition.  They were just doing their job

no - said Opposition hacks aided by an obliging media decided to sacrifice the charity's good works as a means to attack PM Trudeau/Liberal party. The most inconvenient fact, for you... and said Opposition hacks, is the clear line of demarcation between the government accepting a recommendation and the public service (ESDC) that reviewed, then selected, then recommended WE Charity.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on September 11, 2020, 12:45:08 am
no - said Opposition hacks aided by an obliging media decided to sacrifice the charity's good works as a means to attack PM Trudeau/Liberal party. The most inconvenient fact, for you... and said Opposition hacks, is the clear line of demarcation between the government accepting a recommendation and the public service (ESDC) that reviewed, then selected, then recommended WE Charity.

WE also shouldn't have put themselves in such a conflict of interest, given their ties to the Trudeau's and Morneau (his daughter works for WE, remember).  But the brothers were desperate for an influx of cash to keep their struggling charity afloat.  They made their bed and now they get to lay in it.

I'm sure of a Scheer or O'Toole gov did this and a Liberal opposition & the media called them on their shite, you would have eagerly defended WE just as passionately!  ;D
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on September 11, 2020, 08:55:01 am
Here's the worst thing working against WE:

What do they do ?

Why is there a charity out there getting so much funding and attention and nobody knows what they do ?

Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on September 11, 2020, 09:19:35 am
WE also shouldn't have put themselves in such a conflict of interest, given their ties to the Trudeau's and Morneau (his daughter works for WE, remember).  But the brothers were desperate for an influx of cash to keep their struggling charity afloat.  They made their bed and now they get to lay in it.

conflict of interest? Detail it - specifically define what you interpret as 'interest conflict'... I appreciate it will be very hard for your partisanship to distinguish between the actual related conflict rules and the/your perceived appearance of conflict. But hey, give it a try anyway! Now I've read a fair amount on this fake, trumped-up, so-called "scandal" - yours is the only statement that seeks to blame the actual charity itself!  ;D

I'm sure of a Scheer or O'Toole gov did this and a Liberal opposition & the media called them on their shite, you would have eagerly defended WE just as passionately!  ;D

WE Charity doesn't need any defending in this matter - they were simply approached by the public service (ESDC) to provide a statement of interest; one that reflected upon its ability to meet the demands of the projected program. As for a government, as you say, "doing this": a government, any government, relies upon the public service to support its policy intent. Unless you can present information that suggests/implies the public service (ESDC) was lax/negligent/fraudulent in its actions, then a government, any government, would be justified in moving forward on a recommendation received from that public service support base. As has been stated many times over, ESDC determined that WE Charity was the only organization in a position to fulfill the program requirements... so, a government, any government, that presumed to move forward on its policy intent would be a government, any government, that accepted the public service (ESDC) recommendation.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on September 11, 2020, 09:20:24 am
Here's the worst thing working against WE:

What do they do ?

Why is there a charity out there getting so much funding and attention and nobody knows what they do ?

Jesse, is that you?  ;D
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: cybercoma on September 11, 2020, 11:38:51 am
Here's the worst thing working against WE:

What do they do ?

Why is there a charity out there getting so much funding and attention and nobody knows what they do ?
"Nobody" knows what they do because they haven't looked into it. It's not top secret or anything.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: the_squid on September 11, 2020, 11:53:00 am
Here's the worst thing working against WE:

What do they do ?

Why is there a charity out there getting so much funding and attention and nobody knows what they do ?

What’s stopping you from using Google? 

Not that I am for the Libs giving sole source contracts for $900 million to a charity that paid the PM’s mom and brother a bunch of money, but it’s not difficult to find out what the charity does. 

Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: cybercoma on September 11, 2020, 12:04:28 pm
They even have financial statements, impact statements, descriptions of their board, etc. on their website.

https://www.we.org/en-CA/about-we/about-us
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on September 11, 2020, 01:16:32 pm
Here's the worst thing working against WE:

What do they do ?

Why is there a charity out there getting so much funding and attention and nobody knows what they do ?

They do a lot of education programs that teachers can use in the classroom to get rids involved and active with global development issues.  That seems like at least half their mandate.  They also do some work overseas to actually help the poor.  As stated by others, it's on their website, I looked it up yesterday.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on September 13, 2020, 08:31:49 am
They do a lot of education programs that teachers can use in the classroom to get rids involved and active with global development issues.  That seems like at least half their mandate.  They also do some work overseas to actually help the poor.  As stated by others, it's on their website, I looked it up yesterday.

So.... it's a parallel education system and some charity drives. 

When I said 'nobody', I meant that their goals aren't commonly known.  That is unusual for a charity.  Can you name another one like that ?  I'm somewhat familiar with their activities, generally, but people have been questioning them to me privately in the past. 
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: waldo on September 13, 2020, 11:01:14 am
Here's the worst thing working against WE:

What do they do ?

Why is there a charity out there getting so much funding and attention and nobody knows what they do ?
So.... it's a parallel education system and some charity drives. 

When I said 'nobody', I meant that their goals aren't commonly known.  That is unusual for a charity.  Can you name another one like that ?  I'm somewhat familiar with their activities, generally, but people have been questioning them to me privately in the past.

oh FFS! Pissin' on its grave now, hey! Again, thanks to an obliging media helping fuel the Opposition driven fake "scandal"... WE Charity in Canada is no more - and this is what you now decide to ask?
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on September 13, 2020, 11:38:48 am
oh FFS! Pissin' on its grave now, hey! Again, thanks to an obliging media helping fuel the Opposition driven fake "scandal"... WE Charity in Canada is no more - and this is what you now decide to ask?

Everybody needs a eulogy.  Caesar got one from Brutus.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 13, 2020, 11:53:56 am
Everybody needs a eulogy.  Caesar got one from Brutus.
I thought they supported youth engagement and volunteering in support of greater equity and sustainability. That's what WE day was all about.
Title: Re: WE Scandal
Post by: MH on September 13, 2020, 11:55:36 am
I thought they supported youth engagement and volunteering in support of greater equity and sustainability. That's what WE day was all about.

As I said - parallel education.  In conversation with teachers, they questioned the value of WE day from awhile back.  The question is not whether any could come out of it, it's - again - "what is the value for the cost" ?