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Title: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: queenmandy85 on December 12, 2019, 11:10:19 am
Mr. Sheer has announced he is resigning as leader of the CPC. He has shown he has the courage and wisedom to put his Party first and his saved the CPC from extinction by getting Bernier out of the picture.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 12, 2019, 11:16:09 am
He has shown he has the courage and wisdom to put his Party first...

ya ya, weakAndy - so courageous... so wise

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Global News has learned Scheer will announce imminently that he will be stepping down from the party leadership after losing the last election. His resignation comes as a direct result of new revelations that he was using Conservative Party money to pay for his children’s private schooling. Senior Conservatives say the expenditures were made without the knowledge or approval of the Conservative fund board, including the chair of the board.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 12, 2019, 12:59:44 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/NJd0JMX.png)

stay classy PM Trudeau, stay classy! (https://twitter.com/i/videos/1205178789472481280)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 12, 2019, 02:55:09 pm
I guess the massive social media push to keep Scheer (3 back benchers and a $12 website) didn’t work as well as hoped....

Well, if the Reform-western wing of the party doesn’t select another social conservative climate denier as their party leader, they should be able to do alright in the next election.

However, party members will be selecting a leader....   and party members boo’ed Michael Chong at their convention for the audacity of believing climate change is real and proposing to reduce carbon emissions.

How much has the membership stepped into this century in the CPC?   I am willing to bet that they haven’t progressed much, if at all.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on December 12, 2019, 03:08:11 pm
I guess the massive social media push to keep Scheer (3 back benchers and a $12 website) didn’t work as well as hoped....

Well, if the Reform-western wing of the party doesn’t select another social conservative climate denier as their party leader, they should be able to do alright in the next election.

However, party members will be selecting a leader....   and party members boo’ed Michael Chong at their convention for the audacity of believing climate change is real and proposing to reduce carbon emissions.

How much has the membership stepped into this century in the CPC?   I am willing to bet that they haven’t progressed much, if at all.

Maybe Trump can move across the border if the impeachment thing is successful and take over from Scheer. I'm not sure where Donny is on abortion but by gawd the coal mines would be back in business big time.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: cybercoma on December 12, 2019, 03:33:04 pm
Mr. Sheer has announced he is resigning as leader of the CPC. He has shown he has the courage and wisedom to put his Party first and his saved the CPC from extinction by getting Bernier out of the picture.
Andrew Scheer...courage and wisdom?

Bahahahahahahaha  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Bubbermiley on December 12, 2019, 03:49:18 pm
Well, apparently he put the party first when deciding who should pay for his kids' education.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 12, 2019, 05:02:55 pm
Considering the taxpayer footed the over $215,000 bill for Trudeau's Bahama's vacation, Liberals shouldn't be throwing stones.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on December 12, 2019, 05:18:02 pm
Why isn't the CBC willing to mention the Private School scandal ??
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on December 12, 2019, 05:27:06 pm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-resigns-1.5393803

Uh, ok there it is then...
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 12, 2019, 05:37:17 pm
I guess Ottawa private schools are more expensive than Regina private schools.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on December 12, 2019, 05:38:18 pm
I imagine Trudeau is sad to see him go. He may have to work a little harder next election, depending who the CPC selects to replace their current leader.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on December 12, 2019, 05:38:33 pm
I don't know where I sit on the party paying for his kids private education. On one hand I don't directly contribute to the party so they can do whatever they want with it. On the other hand however the taxpayer does subsidize the party by 75% tax deductions so yes in fact the taxpayer is subsidizing 75% of his kids private education (less whatever he pays himself). That however is a more general problem I have with this 75% party funding.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 12, 2019, 08:32:52 pm
I don't know where I sit on the party paying for his kids private education. On one hand I don't directly contribute to the party so they can do whatever they want with it. On the other hand however the taxpayer does subsidize the party by 75% tax deductions so yes in fact the taxpayer is subsidizing 75% of his kids private education (less whatever he pays himself). That however is a more general problem I have with this 75% party funding.

I agree....   I’m not sure it’s reached a “scandal” if this is normally what the party does.   I personally wouldn’t like it if a party I belonged to did it, but I am not a party member.   I wonder if other parties do this....?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on December 12, 2019, 08:36:25 pm
Apparently, we found out that Scheer was legitimately an expert on ethics violations.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on December 12, 2019, 08:36:58 pm
Considering the taxpayer footed the over $215,000 bill for Trudeau's Bahama's vacation, Liberals shouldn't be throwing stones.

Canadians footed the bill for security and transport.  They do that all day every day.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 12, 2019, 09:12:47 pm
Canadians footed the bill for security and transport.  They do that all day every day.

They do?

Security I can see but not all the rest. In March they said it was 127K but it turns out the RCMP spend !53K on security alone $81K more than they originally stated. What the hell were they doing?

This was also when he was being investigated and eventually found to have violated conflict of interest rules with his Aga Khan trip.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on December 12, 2019, 09:19:09 pm
They do?

Yeah - all day every day.  The figures look huge, but they're not.  The PMs security budget alone is well north of $10M, never mind transport.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 12, 2019, 09:36:31 pm
Yeah - all day every day.  The figures look huge, but they're not.  The PMs security budget alone is well north of $10M, never mind transport.

They are huge.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 12, 2019, 09:50:08 pm
Maybe Trump can move across the border if the impeachment thing is successful and take over from Scheer. I'm not sure where Donny is on abortion but by gawd the coal mines would be back in business big time.

Every time you bring up Trump in a thread that has nothing remotely to do with him, an angel loses its wings.

684 angels have crash landed....
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on December 12, 2019, 10:03:24 pm
Every time you bring up Trump in a nthread that has nothing remotely to do with him, an angel loses its wings.

684 angels have crash landed....

Well I have only crashed once so those angels should listen to me.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on December 12, 2019, 11:18:46 pm
Any suggestions as to who will/should replace Scheer?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on December 13, 2019, 05:26:10 am
Any suggestions as to who will/should replace Scheer?

If Rona Ambrose wins, the Conservatives will win a majority.  I say this because my father, a blood red Liberal, says he likes her.  ???
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Granny on December 13, 2019, 06:58:37 am
I'm no Scheer fan but facts are important:
Painting this as if Scheer himself dipped into party funds on the sly, "a secret slush fund" (Kory Teneycke) to pay for private school tuition is ludicrous:
"As is the normal practice for political parties, the Party offered to reimburse some of the costs associated with being a national leader and relocating to Ottawa," said van Vugt in a statement. "Shortly after Mr. Scheer was elected leader, we had a meeting where I made a standard offer to cover costs associated with moving his family from Regina to Ottawa. This includes a differential in schooling costs between Regina and Ottawa."

The CPC Executive confirmed that it approved paying the difference between private school costs in Saskatchewan and Ottawa.

Scheer is under attack by some people in the CPC, one or more of whom leaked this info to the media, slanted in a way that blames Scheer instead of the Party.
 
More to the point of his reasons for leaving ...
"It wasn’t so much what Andrew Scheer said as I left his office a week ago that made me think he wouldn’t stay on as leader, it was how he said it and the look in his eyes.

“Thomas is 14, he was 10 when this started,” Scheer said.
 ...
He told me he wanted to stay on as Conservative leader and would be mounting a campaign to keep his job, but the emotion wasn’t there. When I told him that I didn’t see the fire in his belly to keep the job, he didn’t argue with me."

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-exasperated-scheer-leaves-on-his-own-terms

No doubt dragging his kids into the media with the tuition issue may have ignited his immediate resignation as leader.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Boges on December 13, 2019, 09:53:04 am
The CPC needs to govern from the Centre.

Social Conservatives can vote for the Bernier party if they want that.

We see from the Labour Party in the UK that if you try to govern from the fringes of your party, you lose.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on December 13, 2019, 12:22:59 pm
Well I have only crashed once so those angels should listen to me.

I hope it was only that time you abandoned your wings, and not with them.

Any suggestions as to who will/should replace Scheer?

I saw little Peter Polliwog on the list of possibilities (I think it was CTV I was flipping through at the time). Hopefully they are not that dumb. McKay has a lot of baggage, but might be able to lead the party. While I like Chong, I don't think he has enough power to get there in the party.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on December 13, 2019, 12:48:48 pm
I hope it was only that time you abandoned your wings, and not with them.

I saw little Peter Polliwog on the list of possibilities (I think it was CTV I was flipping through at the time). Hopefully they are not that dumb. McKay has a lot of baggage, but might be able to lead the party. While I like Chong, I don't think he has enough power to get there in the party.

I listened to an interview this am with a number of former CPC members. Peter Mackay and Erin O'toole's names came up fairly strong as did Michelle Rempel and Rona Ambrose. I certainly concur that I would leave Polliwog in the swamp. I did notice as well though that even among the interviewees there were hints of infighting between those who were social Conservative and others from the further right of the party. Sounded to me like it may take some time for the party to get it's platform focused. I can imagine JT is happy with that.   
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 13, 2019, 12:49:48 pm
Any suggestions as to who will/should replace Scheer?

there's a deeeep bench to choose from!

(https://i.imgur.com/8WHigCU.jpg)

make it so!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Boges on December 13, 2019, 01:37:24 pm
there's a deeeep bench to choose from!

(https://i.imgur.com/8WHigCU.jpg)

make it so!

This sentiment is the exact same that sees no one in the Democratic POTUS field that can beat Trump. It's pure partisanship.

I think Rona Ambrose would be a great leader of the CPC.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 13, 2019, 02:19:33 pm
This sentiment is the exact same that sees no one in the Democratic POTUS field that can beat Trump. It's pure partisanship.

I think Rona Ambrose would be a great leader of the CPC.

I think she would be a good choice but she says she isn't interested.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on December 13, 2019, 02:39:07 pm
she says she isn't interested.

In politics, that means she is in the process of setting up her campaign committee and filing the paperwork.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 13, 2019, 03:35:20 pm
In politics, that means she is in the process of setting up her campaign committee and filing the paperwork.

I'm not sure. A lot of people wanted her to run the last time and I think she would have had a good chance. She declined then. Hope she changes her mind.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on December 13, 2019, 06:48:57 pm
About time for Scheer!  But then again, ghosts can't vote.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 13, 2019, 07:15:24 pm
I think Rona Ambrose would be a great leader of the CPC.

Harper Conservatives private member bill, 'Motion 312', => introduced by Conservative MP Stephen Woodworth... intended to, "strike a committee to examine the definition of a human being and when human life begins." 10 Harper Conservative Cabinet Ministers voted for the bill - Rona Ambrose was one of those 10... as Minister for Status of Women no less!

Federal private member’s motion M-312 ignites fetus debate (https://www.straight.com/life/federal-private-members-motion-m-312-ignites-fetus-debate)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 13, 2019, 07:50:34 pm
I'm not sure. A lot of people wanted her to run the last time and I think she would have had a good chance. She declined then. Hope she changes her mind.

The members who picked between social conservative Scheer and crazy tinfoil wearing Max Bernier will now go 180 degrees and choose a gay-pride marching, pro-abortion (I think.....   her blip in 2012 was bizarre) woman?

I doubt that very much.   Many CPC members weren’t happy with her helping Trudeau with NAFTA. The term “Traitor” was used.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 13, 2019, 08:25:25 pm
The members who picked between social conservative Scheer and crazy tinfoil wearing Max Bernier will now go 180 degrees and choose a gay-pride marching, pro-abortion (I think.....   her blip in 2012 was bizarre) woman?

I doubt that very much.   Many CPC members weren’t happy with her helping Trudeau with NAFTA. The term “Traitor” was used.

They will if they ever want to form a government. That is a decision they will have to make.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 13, 2019, 08:34:06 pm
Neither Ambrose nor McKay are bilingual.  That would be dumb.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on December 13, 2019, 09:41:21 pm
Neither Ambrose nor McKay are bilingual.  That would be dumb.

Believe Mackay speaks French. Ambrose is fluent in Spanish and Portuguese but apparently her French is not as good.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 13, 2019, 09:53:11 pm
Believe Mackay speaks French. Ambrose is fluent in Spanish and Portuguese but apparently her French is not as good.

I saw somewhere that he wasn’t, but I think he is.  Need a bilingual candidate. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 13, 2019, 11:46:36 pm
In politics, that means she is in the process of setting up her campaign committee and filing the paperwork.

same for justVisitingJason! Harper is said to be "guiding" the process... that if Ambrose can't be coaxed/enticed... Jason's their man!

(https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/MAC30_KENNY_POST01.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 14, 2019, 12:00:01 am
Considering the taxpayer footed the over $215,000 bill for Trudeau's Bahama's vacation, Liberals shouldn't be throwing stones.

yabut, 75% of that cost was for security... surely you can't be against security/protection measures for a Canadian Prime Minister - surely.

hey now, since Peter MacKay is trending now, how about his use of that $30K an hour military Challenger Jet to fly him to Halifax for a 'lobster fest'... had to defend his title as lobster banding champion!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 14, 2019, 11:53:54 am
considering its still HIS Reform Party... considering HE chased out any sniff of progressives - even removing Progressive from the Party name... waddabout the return of THIS GUY?

(https://i.imgur.com/Hp6e232.jpg)

And Now, the Harper Comeback. Just Read the Signs --- All the ways he’s campaigned for leader almost as soon as Scheer won. (https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/12/12/Harper-Comeback/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=131219)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on December 14, 2019, 11:58:34 am
Yeah... no.  Although I feel like he could beat the Turd  :D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on December 14, 2019, 02:04:05 pm
Neither Ambrose nor McKay are bilingual.  That would be dumb.

There was an article in the National Post (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/french-skills-to-be-tested-in-upcoming-conservative-leadership-debates) last round of the leadership debates that addressed the various candidates. MacKay is quoted in the article, but since he wasn't running at the time he is not evaluated.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on December 14, 2019, 02:20:39 pm
If Rona Ambrose wins, the Conservatives will win a majority.  I say this because my father, a blood red Liberal, says he likes her.  ???

I read a Chantal Hebert column a while back in which she said she had been hearing buzz that Trudeau might offer Ambrose the post of US Ambassador in hopes of keeping her from becoming CPC leader.

On the CTV election night coverage, Lisa Laflamme was not-too-subtly trying to coax Ambrose to come out of retirement and take over the CPC, and Ambrose said that she was enjoying her new life too much to return to politics.


of all the people out there, I think Rona Ambrose is the one who "checks the most boxes".

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 14, 2019, 05:53:56 pm
Yeah... no.  Although I feel like he could beat the Turd  :D

please, that's PM Turd... don't fall into that purposeful insult pattern of the CPC who purposely refer to him by name only, sans PM title.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 14, 2019, 06:07:37 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/bvSGVqz.jpg)

considering its a brood of/up to 5 over many years, that must be a considerable cost that Canadian taxpayers are contributing a 75% tax credit towards - yes?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 15, 2019, 04:14:27 pm
there's a deeeep bench to choose from!

(https://i.imgur.com/8WHigCU.jpg)

make it so!

"statesperson Rempel (https://twitter.com/i/videos/1206245120225370112)"... hoping to negate her career of twitter shyte-posting and wholesale blocking of everyone!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 15, 2019, 05:52:41 pm
Scheer tweeted today that “Brexit is still cool”

Scheer was scared to answer any questions about what he thought about Brexit during the campaign.  This is another example of him not explaining a position he previously held.

The guy is a spineless, waffling fool. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-brexit-conservative-european-union-1.5300467
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 15, 2019, 05:59:01 pm
Scheer resigns.
It comes out that the Party is paying for his kids’ private school.
Party executive director is fired.
Party in turmoil.


https://globalnews.ca/news/6298791/conservative-party-turmoil-van-vugt/

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Multiple sources said the powerful seven-person board, which includes former prime minister Stephen Harper, decided to act, furious over the arrangement to pay for private religious schooling with donor money. Two sources with direct knowledge of Harper’s thinking described him as shocked and angry. Sources have told Global News others on the board were unaware as well and were also outraged.

On another note...   Who knew Harper was still running things from a party exec position????   The Cons are a bloody mess.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 15, 2019, 06:41:57 pm
On another note...   Who knew Harper was still running things from a party exec position???

the waldo knew - and has commented on it many times over!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on December 17, 2019, 06:22:12 am
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/12/12/Harper-Comeback/?utm_source=weekly&fbclid=IwAR1_4TNzoOMz1pzFKDlGV2laJdaWu4FgbmE107Njq1ZGzo5k-6p8n4ET2kw

Harper... comeback ?  ???
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 18, 2019, 12:09:01 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/q0cwofc.jpg)
this guy... is leading online polls for preferred choice - no word on how much non-CPC supporters are skewing the polls!  ;D

in a recent day media scrum - shades of his headyDays with Harper... even invoking RonnyRayGun in this vid clip! (https://twitter.com/i/videos/1207041329332719617)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on December 18, 2019, 12:33:57 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/q0cwofc.jpg)
this guy... is leading online polls for preferred choice - no word on how much non-CPC supporters are skewing the polls!  ;D

in a recent day media scrum - shades of his headyDays with Harper... even invoking RonnyRayGun in this vid clip! (https://twitter.com/i/videos/1207041329332719617)

Allow me to help skew those polls: Hurray for Peter Polliwog. He obviously has his finger on the pulse of the economy. Unfortunately that pulse hasn't had a beat for 15 years or so.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on December 18, 2019, 09:08:14 pm
The CPC are investigating $700,000 in unusual spending for Scheer’s Office.  https://globalnews.ca/news/6309296/andrew-scheer-office-expenses/
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 19, 2019, 11:27:16 am
On another note...   Who knew Harper was still running things from a party exec position????   The Cons are a bloody mess.
the waldo knew - and has commented on it many times over!  ;D

Meet the Powerful Elites Who Control the Conservative Party’s Money (https://pressprogress.ca/meet-the-powerful-elites-who-control-the-conservative-partys-money/) --- Conservative Fund run by former lobbyists for Irving Oil, big tobacco and {Stephen Harper} the leader of a global network of right-wing political parties

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Despite losing the 2015 federal election, former Prime Minister Stephen Harper hasn’t relinquished control over the party he helped create.

Harper, who as recently as last year suggested he could “easily” become leader again if he wanted his old job back, continues to wield influence over the party through the Conservative Fund by controlling the party purse strings.

According to the Toronto Star, sources close to Harper suggest he was “furious” over Scheer’s private school expenses.

Harper currently serves as chairman of the International Democratic Union, a global network of right-wing political parties, ranging from the centre-right to far-right.

The IDU is based in Munich and housed in the party headquarters of the Bavarian Christian Social Union, a regional social conservative party and a junior partner in Germany’s governing coalition. The CSU has taken aggressive positions on refugees and immigration.

Harper himself stirred controversy in 2017 when, as leader of the IDU, he warmly celebrated the election of the Hungarian far-right leader Viktor Orban.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on December 19, 2019, 12:46:41 pm
The CPC are investigating $700,000 in unusual spending for Scheer’s Office.

What is really interesting is that the normal expenses are around $200k, and this year they spent $900k or over 4 times the usual amount. I'm not sure what "pre-writ" expenses are, a funny way of saying pay for attack ads ahead of the election?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 22, 2019, 11:34:51 am
The internal takedown of weakAndy --- partisan warfare, ruthless tactics, friendly fire - what really happened! (https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-takedown-of-andrew-scheer/)

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There had been Conservative frustration about the election outcome on Oct. 21, and then there was the raw shock.

The party’s data was faulty, and its internal projections on election day pointed to a 20-seat advantage. No one was prepared for defeat; there was a transition team in place in case of victory, but no meeting scheduled to deal with a loss. Everyone went underground for a few days to lick their wounds, and by the time they surfaced, the anti-Scheer forces had mobilized and the narrative was set.

and if Scheer sticks to his statement, he'll be around as 'interim leader' for a tad longer: Conservative Party convention postponed to November 2020 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-party-convention-postponed-to-november-2020-1.5405924)

uhhh... CPC wanting to milk the leadership speculation... for all its worth!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on December 29, 2019, 11:56:56 am
(https://i.imgur.com/q0cwofc.jpg)
this guy... is leading online polls for preferred choice - no word on how much non-CPC supporters are skewing the polls!  ;D

in a recent day media scrum - shades of his headyDays with Harper... even invoking RonnyRayGun in this vid clip! (https://twitter.com/i/videos/1207041329332719617)

oh my! What does it say about the state of the CPC... of C/conservatism in Canada... that Poilievre is actually being touted as a legitimate front-runner! When the label Red-Tory is cast negatively; used disparagingly! Is there any room, at all, for progressive positioning in today's ever increasing anti-enviro, neo-nationalist, nativist, right-wing populist CPC?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2020, 10:57:27 am
oh my! What does it say about the state of the CPC... of C/conservatism in Canada... that Poilievre is actually being touted as a legitimate front-runner! When the label Red-Tory is cast negatively; used disparagingly! Is there any room, at all, for progressive positioning in today's ever increasing anti-enviro, neo-nationalist, nativist, right-wing populist CPC?

says the "grassroots" Canada Proud! Oh my!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/l1ePOfh.png)

bigHairDrona continues to play coy... will she, or won't she?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 04, 2020, 01:33:11 am
geezaz, now the CPC has moved up the leader selection date to June 27th! And... Lisa Raitt is back in the game as co-chair of the organizing committee for the selection process! The other co-chair is the same guy who led the last 13-round selectionPalooza that saw Scheer eek out a win over MadMax Bernier! Ah, good time, good times!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on January 04, 2020, 06:48:16 am
A better CPC Candidate means a better election, and a better Canada.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 04, 2020, 10:38:25 am
A better CPC Candidate means a better election, and a better Canada.

so... Harper without the dimples then? Scheer wasn't the problem - the CPC is still Harper's party... still following Harper policies & practices! It's what the CPC base wants - apparently!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 04, 2020, 10:49:43 am
who is never wrong? Ya... the peeps! (https://twitter.com/i/videos/1213306603363033088)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 04, 2020, 10:56:11 am
(https://i.imgur.com/l1ePOfh.png)

hey wouldja vote for this O'Tool?  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/j0dC4oH.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on January 04, 2020, 01:12:30 pm
hey wouldja vote for this O'Tool?  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/j0dC4oH.png)


What is O’Toole criticizing?  Good looks?  Longing gazes???

https://mobile.twitter.com/erinotoolemp/status/834141837849919490
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on January 05, 2020, 02:37:24 pm
bigHairDrona continues to play coy... will she, or won't she?


Mocking Rona's hair?

Ironic, coming from the guy who objected so strenuously to people mocking your boy's choice of make-up!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/F3u0mjK.png)

Hiyoooo!! (https://www.hiyoooo.com/)

(https://i.imgur.com/3HiH9sP.png)


 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 05, 2020, 02:53:52 pm
Ironic, coming from the guy who objected so strenuously to people mocking your boy's choice of make-up!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

care to give an example of what rises to the level of 'member kimmy's interpreted strenuous objection'? Mocking you for your want/need to incessantly post that same BF image, post after post after post... over and over and over again... doesn't count!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on January 05, 2020, 09:08:13 pm
care to give an example of what rises to the level of 'member kimmy's interpreted strenuous objection'?

Spare us, waldo. You were in classic waldo form as you tried to defect, trivialize, and make excuses for the Prime Minister's shenanigans.  "#LongAgoMakeupGate!  :'( It was just makeup!  It was long ago!  :'( He was just 30! He was too young to know better!  :'( It was an Arabian Nights theme party, what else was he supposed to wear?  :'(  :'( It's not a scandal! ConMedia! Andy Scheer! Weaksauce! Harper! Harper!" and so on.

Mocking you for your want/need to incessantly post that same BF image, post after post after post... over and over and over again... doesn't count!  ;D

I'm sorry, which image did I post too much? This one?

(https://i.imgur.com/IbjS5bS.png)

Or this one?

(https://i.imgur.com/F3u0mjK.png)

Or this one?

(https://i.imgur.com/y0wynoc.png)

The last one isn't actually Trudeau, although the resemblance is uncanny. 

I defend my use of those images as pertinent and relevant responses to the apologists who tried to whitemansplain why Trudeau's conduct wasn't actually a big deal.


Now get back to showing us how feminist Liberals are by ridiculing female politicians' appearance some more.  What's next, some barbs about her weight?  ;D ;D ;D


 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on January 05, 2020, 09:12:53 pm
Waldo complaining about someone posting photos....    hahahaha   The irony is rich.    :P
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 05, 2020, 10:03:10 pm
I defend my use of those images as pertinent and relevant responses to the apologists who tried to whitemansplain why Trudeau's conduct wasn't actually a big deal.

I relished... I relish each and every BF image you post as it affords opportunities to mock you for doing so. And it's properly framed as #distantPastMakeupGate!

by the by, it wasn't the "whiteman" who came forward to support PM Trudeau... it was many persons of colour and their organizations that did so, particularly given such touching apologies that were made. It came down to, again, Scheer/CPC driving an obliging media, click-bait and all! And then, of course, there was you doing your kimmyThang... post after post peppered with the same BF images - over and over again! It was gold seeing your meltdown - real gold. And now reading your "defense" is gravy!  ;D

Waldo complaining about someone posting photos....    hahahaha   The irony is rich.    :P

the waldo did not complain... the mockFest opportunities at member kimmy's expense preclude any basis for complaint!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 06, 2020, 10:26:04 am
feel the burn!

(https://i.imgur.com/cCBUKTr.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on January 06, 2020, 12:06:33 pm
 :D That's one of the best verbal beatdowns I've ever seen.

Somebody asked Warren Kinsella what he thought of Poilievre as leader, and Kinsella said it would guarantee 100 years of Trudeau.  You know who to cheer for, waldo!

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on January 06, 2020, 12:35:45 pm
I relished... I relish each and every BF image you post as it affords opportunities to mock you for doing so. And it's properly framed as #distantPastMakeupGate!
oh, okay.  The old "I'm not mad, you're mad!"   ;D


by the by, it wasn't the "whiteman" who came forward to support PM Trudeau... it was many persons of colour and their organizations that did so,

Yes, one can imagine Ms Telford phoning every POC in the Liberal caucus and telling them to get on Twitter ASAP to talk about what a racially sensitive guy the PM is!  ;D

One assumes they learned from what happened to the MP who was deemed insufficiently enthusiastic in her praise of Trudeau's feminism.

particularly given such touching apologies that were made.

Yes, many of us were moved to tears by the Prime Minister's touching apology... tears of laughter as he repeated the same rehearsed non-answers to reporters in Winnipeg over and over again!

"How did you not understand that blackface was wrong in 2001?"

"I ... uh, I stand against racism every single day."

"At what point did you come to realize that blackface is wrong?"

"I uhhhh, I stand against racism, every single day."

"Have you worn blackface on other occasions in addition to the three incidents we have heard about?"

"I uuhhhh I stand against racism every single day."

So touching! So heartfelt!  ;D



It came down to, again, Scheer/CPC driving an obliging media, click-bait and all! And then, of course, there was you doing your kimmyThang... post after post peppered with the same BF images - over and over again! It was gold seeing your meltdown - real gold. And now reading your "defense" is gravy!  ;D

  The waldo is truly deluded if he believes it was only a scandal because Scheer and the ConMedia hyped it up.

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 07, 2020, 01:23:06 am
Yes, one can imagine Ms Telford phoning every POC in the Liberal caucus and telling them to get on Twitter ASAP to talk about what a racially sensitive guy the PM is!  ;D

the problem with your hateOn for PM Trudeau is the public record of those individuals of colour and related organizations that came forward offering their support and stating PM Trudeau was not a racist - public record, examples of which were provided in the related thread. A key point your hateOn ignores is the repeated refrain stating 'no malicious intent' existed... that arts/theatrics were key. It's similar to how you completely dismissed the recent day examples provided... like the relatively recent Disney remake of Aladdin where dozens of characters appeared in BF. Notwithstanding, #distantPastMakeupGate!

Yes, many of us were moved to tears by the Prime Minister's touching apology... tears of laughter as he repeated the same rehearsed non-answers to reporters in Winnipeg over and over again! So touching! So heartfelt!  ;D

again, the problem with your hateOn for PM Trudeau... is the public record! (https://globalnews.ca/video/embed/5925075/) Will you come back and offer an apology for your mocking and dismissing the apology with your fake representation of it... your lies? Will ya?

The waldo is truly deluded if he believes it was only a scandal because Scheer and the ConMedia hyped it up.

it only got the mileage it did because Scheer/CPC drove it with an ever obliging ConMedia supporting them. Do you really want to contest that fact? Notwithstanding it really wasn't lasting... now sure, the images still appear quite regularly as a part of CPC supporters showcasing their twitter intellect. I expect that unless someone gives lil' Hamish another go at leading their campaign, those images won't surface in the next election campaign - amirite?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 07, 2020, 11:26:00 am
You know who to cheer for, waldo!

it's happening! The dreamTeam - Poilievre, Baird, Byrne!

(https://i.imgur.com/8CeQ3nl.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on January 07, 2020, 02:56:56 pm
Poilievre would be a gift to Trudeau. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2020, 03:26:15 pm
Poilievre would be a gift to Trudeau.

Last I heard "Lollipop" was leading within the party, and yep, Trudeau must be loving that and won't need to direct movers to the official residence anytime soon.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 10, 2020, 11:54:15 am
the 'pinnacle of ConMedia' says both Charest and MacKay... are in!

Former Quebec premier Jean Charest to run for the Conservative leadership (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/former-quebec-premier-jean-charest-throws-hat-in-for-conservative-leadership-race)

Peter MacKay '100 per cent in' for the Conservative leadership race, friends say (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/peter-mackay-is-a-100-per-cent-in-for-the-conservative-leadership-race-say-friends)

well, of course, Peter MacKay! What else would account for his being interviewed about the Ukraine plane purportedly shot down in Iran... where, somehow, MacKay managed to criticize the lack of forceful Canadian government action... without acknowledging the HarperCon role in severing diplomatic ties with Iran. Wait, what? You say MacKay's wife is Iranian-Canadian... well, there you go - no wonder he was interviewed!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 15, 2020, 12:13:34 pm
Peter MacKay set to enter the Conservative leadership race today (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mackay-tweets-leadership-1.5427544)

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.
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(https://i.imgur.com/fT3ufr0.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 15, 2020, 12:45:15 pm
Stephen Harper resigns from the Conservative Fund board to block Jean Charest (https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/stephen-harper-resigns-from-the-conservative-fund-board/)


Quote
Former prime minister Stephen Harper has suddenly resigned from the board of the Conservative Party of Canada’s fundraising arm, as the party descends into organizational chaos and bitter recrimination in the first week of its leadership campaign.

And since the first version of this article was posted, two top Conservative sources have told Maclean’s that Harper’s main goal in resigning is to free himself up to block Jean Charest’s campaign for the party leadership.

Charest, the former Quebec premier who was Progressive Conservative party leader from 1993 to 1998, called Harper before Christmas to seek his blessing for a run, a source with knowledge of the situation said. Harper refused to give it, saying the party is no longer the party Charest led. As it becomes increasingly clear that Charest is serious about a run, Harper has decided to become directly involved in the campaign, sources said.

Harper’s departure from the Fund will not mark the end of his close involvement with the party. Another source close to Harper said Fund members are required to stay neutral during leadership campaigns and that Harper wants more “latitude” than that rule permits.

 ;D
Quote from: former leader of the CPC, Stephen Harper - Feb,2018
I think I probably could still easily be leader of my party if I wanted to. I mean, I’m the de facto founder of my party
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on January 15, 2020, 12:46:42 pm
MacKay could beat Trudeau...
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on January 15, 2020, 01:18:49 pm
MacKay could beat Trudeau...

On a personal level maybe but he will need to convince people his party has become more middle of the road socially. That will mean overcoming Liberal and NDP efforts to paint it as a bunch of right wing religious fanatics.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 15, 2020, 01:45:39 pm
all it took was getting a formal support announcement from both Brad Wall and..... justVisitingJason!  ;D

Rona Ambrose will not be a candidate (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fplus.lapresse.ca%2Fscreens%2F4cc2c32d-a96d-449a-8259-9b2063b166b2__7C___0.html%3Futm_medium%3DTwitter%26utm_campaign%3DInternal%2BShare%26utm_content%3DScreen)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on January 15, 2020, 01:47:47 pm
all it took was getting a formal support announcement from both Brad Wall and..... justVisitingJason!  ;D

Rona Ambrose will not be a candidate (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fplus.lapresse.ca%2Fscreens%2F4cc2c32d-a96d-449a-8259-9b2063b166b2__7C___0.html%3Futm_medium%3DTwitter%26utm_campaign%3DInternal%2BShare%26utm_content%3DScreen)

Nothings changed then.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on January 15, 2020, 06:48:47 pm
Stephen Harper resigned from the CPC funding board today so he can battle Jean Charest.  I guess Harper thinks Charest is not the right kind of Conservative. 

Quote
Maclean's magazine columnist Paul Wells reported Wednesday that Harper stepped back from an official party role so he could be more actively involved in the upcoming leadership race.

The magazine, citing an unnamed source, said prospective leadership candidate Jean Charest sought Harper's endorsement in a December phone call but the former prime minister refused to give it.

Harper told Charest, a former leader of the now-defunct Progressive Conservative Party of Canada, that "the party is no longer the party [you] led," the magazine reported. The more moderate PC Party merged with the conservative Canadian Alliance in 2003.

Speaking to CBC's Power & Politics today, Wells said Harper's decision to leave the board was "accelerated" as it became increasingly clear Charest is readying a run for the leadership.

"It's pretty clear that Stephen Harper does not want Jean Charest to be the leader. As a long-time senior Conservative said to me, 'Harper is quitting the fund board so he can block Charest.' That wasn't my language, that was volunteered to me by one of my sources," Wells said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-resigns-conservative-fund-1.5428237
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on January 15, 2020, 06:57:17 pm
Is Jean Charest popular in Quebec?  If so, that could be huge for the CPC.

Rona Ambrose is too smart to run for PM.  Who needs that drama in your life.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on January 15, 2020, 07:35:38 pm
Is Jean Charest popular in Quebec?  If so, that could be huge for the CPC.

Rona Ambrose is too smart to run for PM.  Who needs that drama in your life.

she can't speak French.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: queenmandy85 on January 19, 2020, 10:44:38 am
MacKay could beat Trudeau...

I hope betrayal is not rewarded.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on January 19, 2020, 12:12:42 pm
Jean Charest is currently on Huawei's payroll.   After the McCallum thing, the Meng Wanzhou dustup, and the ongoing detention of Canadians in China as retaliation, maybe we don't need more Huawei-connected people in our government.  We could do with less Chinese influence, rather than more.

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on January 20, 2020, 01:57:40 pm
Jean Charest is currently on Huawei's payroll.   After the McCallum thing, the Meng Wanzhou dustup, and the ongoing detention of Canadians in China as retaliation, maybe we don't need more Huawei-connected people in our government.  We could do with less Chinese influence, rather than more.

 -k

If he wants to run for leadership, he would have to give up all his connections to private companies, regardless of their origin.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: cybercoma on January 22, 2020, 07:59:49 am
MacKay could beat Trudeau...
MacKay's knuckles don't drag deep enough into the dirt for Conservatives to give him the nomination.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: cybercoma on January 22, 2020, 08:00:30 am
she can't speak French.
"Make Canada Great Again" and "The West Wants Out" Conservatives don't give a ****.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on January 22, 2020, 08:14:10 am
Someone needs to take away Andrew Scheer's twitter password.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: cybercoma on January 22, 2020, 08:14:55 am
Someone needs to take away Andrew Scheer's twitter password.
Someone needs to take away Andrew Scheer.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 23, 2020, 12:43:39 am
all it took was getting a formal support announcement from both Brad Wall and..... justVisitingJason!  ;D

Rona Ambrose will not be a candidate (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fplus.lapresse.ca%2Fscreens%2F4cc2c32d-a96d-449a-8259-9b2063b166b2__7C___0.html%3Futm_medium%3DTwitter%26utm_campaign%3DInternal%2BShare%26utm_content%3DScreen)

a whole lotta wailing that La Presse got it wrong... but oh noooooooos, bigHairRona confirms that she will not run (https://video-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.24130-2/10000000_235092440812090_265772284507460330_n.mp4?_nc_cat=105&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6Im9lcF9oZCJ9&_nc_ohc=KxA01ZmV57QAX8mZQ74&_nc_ht=video-lga3-1.xx&oh=5d6adeeb51041ffdf590722e526e0d27&oe=5E90CB08)!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 23, 2020, 05:55:57 pm
dafuq! Charest says NO... and now... so does Poilievre! Pierre Poilievre won't enter Conservative leadership race (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-conservative-leadership-race-1.5438294)

does anyone, other than MacKay, want to be... the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition?  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 24, 2020, 07:31:30 am
considering its still HIS Reform Party... considering HE chased out any sniff of progressives
 - even removing Progressive from the Party name... waddabout the return of THIS GUY?

(https://i.imgur.com/Hp6e232.jpg)

And Now, the Harper Comeback. Just Read the Signs ---
All the ways he’s campaigned for leader almost as soon as Scheer won.
(https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/12/12/Harper-Comeback/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=131219)

clearing the track for the return of theBoss... or... Christy?

 (https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-conservative-field-shrinks-as-harper-talk-starts)(https://i.imgur.com/9mWjwku.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on January 24, 2020, 12:45:46 pm
Some social con Quebec guy ... Décarie ?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 27, 2020, 12:10:42 am
Some social con Quebec guy ... Décarie ?

Richard Décarie - reads/sounds like he'd appeal to the CPC base, big time! (https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1882276&jwsource=cl)

says he will, "rally social conservatives because there is no one else to do it"!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 27, 2020, 12:36:03 am
Michelle Rempel ... make it so! (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/alberta-mp-michelle-rempel-garner-doesnt-rule-out-a-run-for-the-conservative-leadership?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579892957)  ;D C'mon, even the 'darkPrince' Kinsellout says she's the one.

(https://i.imgur.com/Go5sAOs.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: cybercoma on January 27, 2020, 07:48:28 am
If Rempel is nominated, Trudeau is in trouble.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on January 27, 2020, 01:15:15 pm
If Rempel is nominated, Trudeau is in trouble.

You don't think McKay is a threat to Trudeau ?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on January 27, 2020, 08:18:14 pm
If Rempel is nominated, Trudeau is in trouble.

You're....you're kidding, right?  You have to be kidding?  Her fake outrage is beyond contempt.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on January 27, 2020, 08:36:13 pm
You're....you're kidding, right?  You have to be kidding?  Her fake outrage is beyond contempt.

I'm sure JT is much more focused on Mckay than Rumpel.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on January 27, 2020, 10:45:40 pm
I'm sure JT is much more focused on Mckay than Rumpel.

I dunno, he's had trouble dealing with people with boobies in the past. LOL
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 28, 2020, 12:25:41 am
I dunno, he's had trouble dealing with people with boobies in the past. LOL

elbowgate?  ;D You made me look... as bad as the NDP did in Quebec, was Brosseau reelected? Well no - falling just some ~1500 votes back of the BQ candidate. Too bad as it appears she got serious about being an MP and worked hard for her constituents...
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 28, 2020, 12:36:20 am
MacKay could beat Trudeau...

Postmedia is starting to ramp it up for MacKay! But he must have felt the sting of a few wags referring to him as "yesterday's man"... and asking how he thinks he'd fair against the more "youthful/energetic" PM Trudeau. Why else would MacKay attempt to play up his "manliness" by comparing his hockey playing to (as an implicit dig at)  Trudeau doing yoga? Of course, a tweetstorm resulted and this lil' ditty came forward:

(https://i.imgur.com/4l6abQW.png)

hey waldo, why doesn't MacKay support the troops?  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 28, 2020, 01:27:41 am
hey wouldja vote for this O'Tool?  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/j0dC4oH.png)

so Erin O'Toole officially announced today - vows to be the, "True Blue candidate"... that will protect Canada from the radical left!

https://youtu.be/_J1v1kXFhIY

and geezaz, that wascally 'cancel culture' is already zeroing in on this O'Tool!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: cybercoma on January 28, 2020, 08:57:10 am
You don't think McKay is a threat to Trudeau ?
Mackay is the biggest threat but the conservative base won’t nominate him. So he’s not a threat because he’s too moderate for the party membership.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: cybercoma on January 28, 2020, 08:58:15 am
You're....you're kidding, right?  You have to be kidding?  Her fake outrage is beyond contempt.
It plays well with the modern electorate.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on January 28, 2020, 12:49:42 pm
Mackay is the biggest threat but the conservative base won’t nominate him. So he’s not a threat because he’s too moderate for the party membership.

Ya that's likely.  Conservatives have been voting for leaders like Scheer, Bernier, and Doug Ford.

MacKay has announced he'll march in the 2020 Pride parade.  He's a PC red tory from the east coast.  Does the CPC want to win or do they want their values represented.  I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 28, 2020, 05:02:34 pm
MacKay has announced...

that his French... est atroce! Even to the point of mangling his teleprompter fed campaign kick-off speech  ;D So bad that Le Journal de Montréal recognized it with a front-page skewer!

(https://i.imgur.com/lIxzKZj.png)

no rush, hey Peetee!

on edit: Why can’t Peter MacKay speak French? (https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-cant-peter-mackay-speak-french/)
Quote
Before Conservatives select him as their champion, it would be good to know what kept him so busy that he didn’t have time to study French.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 28, 2020, 11:20:49 pm
geezaz, I'm all verklempt! First PeeteeMKay said he would... and now O'Tool also states he'll march in Pride Parades! The new CPC!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 31, 2020, 12:21:11 am
incoming... MacKay going 3rd person! #whoDoesThat?

(https://i.imgur.com/PDNkljd.png)

so... if peetee is the guy - new CPC climate change policy... same as the old one!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 31, 2020, 12:30:06 am
so proud... of Canada Proud!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/aSOF0Nn.png)

waldo PSA: Canada Proud => a one-man grassroots org... who happens to be a part of the O'Tool campaign
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on January 31, 2020, 10:18:10 am
Mmmm'Kay gettin' tough!

so... about that Liberal government want/intent to ban assault-type weapons during the current session. MacKay has taken his stand... again, reinforcing the CPC is the party of gunNutters!

(https://i.imgur.com/Wmion0u.png)

Mmmm'Kay gettin' tougher!

(https://i.imgur.com/OyGDcMU.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 01, 2020, 08:47:20 am
(https://i.imgur.com/WoQq7WB.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on February 01, 2020, 11:13:05 am

The bullshit is strong with this one.

Idiot sloganeering... I hope I live to see the death of political advertising in its current form.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 01, 2020, 12:13:24 pm
You're....you're kidding, right?  You have to be kidding?  Her fake outrage is beyond contempt.

A Trudeau-booster complaining about fakeness?  Hilarious.

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 01, 2020, 12:24:37 pm
A Trudeau-booster complaining about fakeness?  Hilarious.

 -k

Fake empathy is better than fake outrage any day of the week.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 01, 2020, 12:49:19 pm
Fake empathy is better than fake outrage any day of the week.

That's subjective.  I think many people have become very tired of smarm, apologies, and cos-play over the years.

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 01, 2020, 12:51:21 pm
Michelle Rempel ... make it so! (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/alberta-mp-michelle-rempel-garner-doesnt-rule-out-a-run-for-the-conservative-leadership?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579892957)  ;D C'mon, even the 'darkPrince' Kinsellout says she's the one.

(https://i.imgur.com/Go5sAOs.jpg)

Why so excited, waldo?  Got some personal insults left over that you didn't get to use on Rona?

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 01, 2020, 12:53:05 pm
That's subjective.  I think many people have become very tired of smarm, apologies, and cos-play over the years.

 -k

I think those people had their mind made up long before 2015.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 01, 2020, 12:59:13 pm
There's a lot of fighting going on in the party right now between "red Tories" and social conservatives.  The so-cons say that they refuse to become "Liberal-lite", but it seems as if their only notion for how to not be "Liberal-lite" is to cling to issues like gay marriage. They're apparently too dumb to recognize that that fight was lost over a decade ago. 

There has been a war of words going on between Rempel and the knuckle-dragger wing of the party, with Rempel asserting-- rightly-- that if people like Derek Sloan or Richard Decarie win the leadership contest, the Conservatives will continue to lose.

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 01, 2020, 01:03:44 pm
I think those people had their mind made up long before 2015.

I think you're wrong.   The PM's personal numbers have declined in recent years.  His personal brand used to be a strength for the party, but it isn't anymore.  During the past election his "negatives" polled higher than his "positives", with the only silver lining being that he was up against Scheer.   The fact that Trudeau's numbers have slid so much since 2015 refutes your claim. 

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on February 01, 2020, 01:21:58 pm
I disagree that Rempell is Any more fake than Trudeau, or whomever.  she would be a good candidate for the CPC, if they can break away from the gun nut stupidity, social conservative stupidity, etc.    Those are big ’ifs’  though. 

REmpell’s Alberta-is-hard-done-by nonsense would need to go as well...   Ontario, Quebec, Maritimes and BC aren’t going to vote for a Western Reform party. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 01, 2020, 01:22:35 pm
I think those people had their mind made up long before 2015.

His approval numbers have tanked since 2015.  He has a lower approval rating than Trump.  He won a majority in 2015 and a minority in 2019.  The proof is in the pudding.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 01, 2020, 02:05:05 pm
I disagree that Rempell is Any more fake than Trudeau, or whomever.  she would be a good candidate for the CPC, if they can break away from the gun nut stupidity, social conservative stupidity, etc.    Those are big ’ifs’  though. 

She's all of those things, so she wouldn't be getting away from any of that.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 01, 2020, 02:06:46 pm
His approval numbers have tanked since 2015.  He has a lower approval rating than Trump.  He won a majority in 2015 and a minority in 2019.  The proof is in the pudding.

Trudeau suffered from a lot of the same things Obama did.  Expectations were far too high, and that's partly his own fault.  Arguably, his government has been largely successful, certainly no less so than the last one.  I've seen a lot recently about how Trudeau has grown up since the election.  The truth is simply that the media narrative has shifted.  He looks no different to me than he did before the election or for the last 2 - 3 years.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 01, 2020, 02:51:39 pm
Trudeau suffered from a lot of the same things Obama did.  Expectations were far too high, and that's partly his own fault.  Arguably, his government has been largely successful, certainly no less so than the last one.  I've seen a lot recently about how Trudeau has grown up since the election.  The truth is simply that the media narrative has shifted.  He looks no different to me than he did before the election or for the last 2 - 3 years. 

I disagree, he has made a conscious effort to act like a grown-up since the election.  I think that even the beard is an attempt to project a more mature image. I do not think we'll see him doing cos-play, trick-or-treating, yoga, Bollywood style dance numbers, super-hero costumes with Catherine McKenna, Star Wars socks, "peoplekind", or any of the other fun-loving shenanigans we saw in his earlier years as PM.  I think at most we might see him wear a cowboy hat and jeans if he goes to the Stampede.

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 01, 2020, 03:30:51 pm
I disagree, he has made a conscious effort to act like a grown-up since the election.  I think that even the beard is an attempt to project a more mature image. I do not think we'll see him doing cos-play, trick-or-treating, yoga, Bollywood style dance numbers, super-hero costumes with Catherine McKenna, Star Wars socks, "peoplekind", or any of the other fun-loving shenanigans we saw in his earlier years as PM.  I think at most we might see him wear a cowboy hat and jeans if he goes to the Stampede.

 -k

I think you made my point for me. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 01, 2020, 10:29:14 pm
Trudeau suffered from a lot of the same things Obama did.  Expectations were far too high, and that's partly his own fault.  Arguably, his government has been largely successful, certainly no less so than the last one.  I've seen a lot recently about how Trudeau has grown up since the election.  The truth is simply that the media narrative has shifted.  He looks no different to me than he did before the election or for the last 2 - 3 years.

Are you saying the media is the reason a lot of people don't like him?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 01, 2020, 11:18:48 pm
Are you saying the media is the reason a lot of people don't like him?

If it helps, I’d also argue that the media was the reason a lot of people didn’t like Scheer, and that Scheer had to resign.  The media does a lot of narrative creation now in their attempt to stay relevant.  The more drama the better. Trudeau was popular for the reasons he later because controversial.  People liked that he was different and that’s why he swept to power in a swell of support.  Those same virtues became his downfalls.  That he survived it is so what of a miracle, especially when you consider the role of Russian and alt right troll bots in our modern social media existence. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 01, 2020, 11:36:26 pm
It’s not that I’m in love with Justin Trudeau - it’s that I see the attacks on him as more of the attacks on the social order that got us Trump.  I’ll push back against that as hard as I can.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 02, 2020, 12:25:55 am
If it helps, I’d also argue that the media was the reason a lot of people didn’t like Scheer, and that Scheer had to resign.  The media does a lot of narrative creation now in their attempt to stay relevant.  The more drama the better. Trudeau was popular for the reasons he later because controversial.  People liked that he was different and that’s why he swept to power in a swell of support.  Those same virtues became his downfalls.  That he survived it is so what of a miracle, especially when you consider the role of Russian and alt right troll bots in our modern social media existence.

I think Canadians are smarter than you give them credit for.  You're saying you see "the truth" and everyone else is just a manipulated fool.  People usually read and believe what confirms their own opinions, not the other way around. 

Trudeau is not disliked because of media narratives, and he didn't lose his majority because of Russia and alt-right bots.  Have you considered the possibility that people just don't like him?  Occam's razor.  I don't think you'll ever accept that, because people read and believe what confirms their own opinions.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 02, 2020, 12:47:11 am
It’s not that I’m in love with Justin Trudeau - it’s that I see the attacks on him as more of the attacks on the social order that got us Trump.  I’ll push back against that as hard as I can.

I really don't think you defend his deficits, bullying of the AG, and his donuts to prevent the rise of right-wing populism in Canada.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 02, 2020, 01:53:37 am
(https://i.imgur.com/wpf0jMG.png)

 ;D MmmKay has a zinger! Cause ya, this is just like weakAndy having the CPC pay the cost of many years of private schooling for his brood... says, "Liberals can't be trusted". Apparently, the thousands of dollars paid for Scheer's kids private schooling isn't a Conservative/CPC trust concern!

wait waldo, has MmmKay forgotten that special trip of his taken as a Harper cabinet minister... to defend his title as lobster banding champion? You know, the trip that had Challenger Jet costs @$25K and military helicopter costs @$16K. Seems trustworthy to me - not you?

on edit: c'mon waldo, your crack research team failed you... per the G&M, the Challenger Jet cost was actually $50K!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 02, 2020, 02:06:21 am
yes! PM Trudeau is living rent free in the heads of CPC MPs and their supporters. Why our own special lady here keeps whiggin' out over "cosplay"; while PM Trudeau's recent beard has them rantin'/ravin'! And now, PM Trudeau has been photographed a few times in recent days wearing... glasses... and they're losing their shyte over this!  ;D Of course, MmmKay continues his assault on PM Trudeau's masculinity - over yoga!

and PM Trudeau's socks - don't forget the socks! Ah yes, Rempel... always the charmer!

(https://i.imgur.com/Y0E1nym.png)

 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 02, 2020, 10:20:29 am
I really don't think you defend his deficits, bullying of the AG, and his donuts to prevent the rise of right-wing populism in Canada.

No, it's because I understand that the deficits don't matter, that the bullying of the AG is subjective...and actually, yeah, the doughnuts are almost exactly what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 02, 2020, 10:28:38 am
I think Canadians are smarter than you give them credit for.  You're saying you see "the truth" and everyone else is just a manipulated fool.  People usually read and believe what confirms their own opinions, not the other way around.

I'm not saying that at all - but now that you mention it, yes. 

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Trudeau is not disliked because of media narratives, and he didn't lose his majority because of Russia and alt-right bots.  Have you considered the possibility that people just don't like him?  Occam's razor.  I don't think you'll ever accept that, because people read and believe what confirms their own opinions.

Like I said, his strengths - the things that brought him to power in 2015 - are basically the exact same things that nearly cost him power in 2019. 

I've heard from too many people that Trudeau has done nothing but go on vacation and have nice hair.  Of course I know that isn't true - they reformed the CPP, brought in the CCB, and legalized marijuana (among many other things).

I'll go even further - the same as done to Stephen Harper.  Yes, the media has always created a narrative to an extent.  What's changed is that the media is failing in many ways, looking for an audience.  Their narrative creation has been amplified. 

In another post you said that troll bots didn't cost Trudeau anything.  In an election that should not have even been close, he nearly lost power.  Maybe people don't like him.  People didn't like Harper either, or Chretien, or Mulroney, or the other Trudeau.  During the election, the hashtag #trudeaumustgo was trending on social media.  It was started by one right wing troll account in the US, and amplified by people who hate Trudeau because he's Trudeau. 

That's another thing that really effects Justin Trudeau - many people hate him because he's successful, attractive, and doesn't fit the identity of a traditional male.  How do I know this?  Because I live in a very conservative area and I hear it all of the time.  It's a lot less simple than you're trying to make it out to be.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 02, 2020, 06:52:35 pm
In another post you said that troll bots didn't cost Trudeau anything.  In an election that should not have even been close, he nearly lost power.

People dislike Trudeau, but they dislike Scheer even more.  Trudeau won a minority because the other leaders are legitimately worse.  The electorate voted right when they elected Chretien, voted right when they booted Chretien for Harper but mostly kept him to a minority, they voted right in 2015 to boot Harper when eh went bonkers with a mjaority, and they voted right in 2019.  Liberals lost seats in every province but the Maritimes and deserved it.  Yes Canadians are a lot smarter than you think.

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Maybe people don't like him.  People didn't like Harper either, or Chretien, or Mulroney, or the other Trudeau.  During the election, the hashtag #trudeaumustgo was trending on social media.  It was started by one right wing troll account in the US, and amplified by people who hate Trudeau because he's Trudeau.

And this influenced voting behaviour how?  In 2016 Trudeau had the 2nd-highest approval rating for a PM at any point since the 1950's (65%), and in 2019 he had the 5th lowest (28%).  This wasn't due to rightwing trolls or Russia.  If they could do that, Trump would have a much better approval rating.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Canada_by_approval_rating

Canadians had 4 years of watching Trudeau to make up their minds on him, a bunch of hashtags on twitter during an election aren't going to change many people's minds.  I would think him bullying the AG had far bigger an impact, considering his 28% approval rating came in April 2019.

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That's another thing that really effects Justin Trudeau - many people hate him because he's successful, attractive, and doesn't fit the identity of a traditional male.  How do I know this?  Because I live in a very conservative area and I hear it all of the time.  It's a lot less simple than you're trying to make it out to be.

You're right, there's a lot more reasons than that why people dislike him.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 04, 2020, 11:31:20 am
MmmKay - so Trumpian!


(https://i.imgur.com/8llTQCE.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 04, 2020, 11:51:16 am
oh my!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/VC4Xg4A.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 05, 2020, 04:32:46 pm
I disagree, he has made a conscious effort to act like a grown-up since the election.  I think that even the beard is an attempt to project a more mature image. I do not think we'll see him doing cos-play, trick-or-treating, yoga, Bollywood style dance numbers, super-hero costumes with Catherine McKenna, Star Wars socks, "peoplekind", or any of the other fun-loving shenanigans we saw in his earlier years as PM.  I think at most we might see him wear a cowboy hat and jeans if he goes to the Stampede.

 -k

It's all an act to get attention and get people to swoon over him.  He's a drama teacher, an actor, he wore blackface at the school he worked for and got up and sang a song, it's all for attention. Being PM is the acting role of a lifetime. The grey wisdom beard is makeup an actor uses in a play.  He just can't stop.

He chose a career where a lot of people would get to watch him and listen to him all day (teacher), then switched careers to a profession where even more people could pay attention to him (politician).  Hopefully he'll smarten up a bit after Canadians taking the majority away from him.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on February 05, 2020, 04:34:12 pm
Being PM is the acting role of a lifetime. The grey wisdom beard is makeup an actor uses in a play.  He just can't stop.

Is that like jumping on an ATV and tearing up the tarmac of an airport?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 05, 2020, 04:48:52 pm
Is that like jumping on an ATV and tearing up the tarmac of an airport?

I don't know who did that, but it sounds pretty cool, especially if they spun their wheels.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 06, 2020, 12:28:08 am
yabut, member kimmy saves her ad nauseam 'cosplay' labeling just for her specialOne!

(https://i.imgur.com/IqCzxMh.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 11, 2020, 08:45:18 pm
Is that like jumping on an ATV and tearing up the tarmac of an airport?

yabut, member kimmy saves her ad nauseam 'cosplay' labeling just for her specialOne!


I can only imagine how far up your ass your head would have to be to think that this

(https://i.imgur.com/IqCzxMh.jpg)

belongs in the same conversation as this and this.

(https://i.imgur.com/IbjS5bS.png)(https://i.imgur.com/F3u0mjK.png)






 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 12, 2020, 06:53:50 am

I can only imagine how far up your ass your head would have to be to think that this

(https://i.imgur.com/IqCzxMh.jpg)

belongs in the same conversation as this and this.

(https://i.imgur.com/IbjS5bS.png)(https://i.imgur.com/F3u0mjK.png)






 -k

You weakened your own argument by bringing up the Indian ‘cosplay’.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Bubbermiley on February 12, 2020, 07:16:58 am
I think the outrage from the black/brownface was used up months ago. I'm surprised people still think it will work to generate a reaction.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on February 12, 2020, 09:09:38 am
I think the outrage from the black/brownface was used up months ago. I'm surprised people still think it will work to generate a reaction.
Outrage has a shelf life, the photos are forever.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 12, 2020, 11:59:37 am
I think the outrage from the black/brownface was used up months ago. I'm surprised people still think it will work to generate a reaction.

the waldo apologizes for giving member kimmy another... yet another... opportunity to post her BFace photos and display her expressed fake-outrage!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 12, 2020, 10:36:07 pm
"cancel culture"... you've been warned!

(https://i.imgur.com/lBoRUcL.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 12, 2020, 11:20:50 pm
Taking down statues of Sir John A is pretty dumb though.  For all the bad and imperfections he may have done, I mean he basically founded the country.  The whole damn country is founded on colonialism, might as well burn the flag.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on February 15, 2020, 02:47:33 pm
My province wouldn’t be part of Canada but for John A, but apparently the people of Victoria are too good for him.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on February 15, 2020, 03:04:13 pm
Maybe the people of Victoria don't like the attachment to the racism John A brought to the indigenous people of the country.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on February 15, 2020, 03:14:39 pm
I see now John Baird is the latest high level CPC member to announce he will not run for leadership of the party. It seems nobody wants the job. I wonder what's up there.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on February 15, 2020, 03:21:35 pm
My province wouldn’t be part of Canada but for John A, but apparently the people of Victoria are too good for him.

John A, you mean the guy that was resigned from Parliament because of the bribery scandal involving Hugh Allan's Pacific Railway Company (not to be confused with Canadian Pacific Railways)?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 16, 2020, 01:59:17 am
John A, you mean the guy that was resigned from Parliament because of the bribery scandal involving Hugh Allan's Pacific Railway Company (not to be confused with Canadian Pacific Railways)?

And then 5 years later is was elected to 4 more majorities in a row and only left office because he died in office.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on February 16, 2020, 11:46:40 am
Maybe the people of Victoria don't like the attachment to the racism John A brought to the indigenous people of the country.

There’s a rank hypocrisy to all this looking back at history nonsense. 

Chief Maquinna is probably the most famous historical indigenous leader around these parts and he had slaves, but there is no talk about changing the name of the elementary school named after him because he did that.   I wonder why not...? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquinna
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on February 16, 2020, 12:37:53 pm
There’s a rank hypocrisy to all this looking back at history nonsense. 

Chief Maquinna is probably the most famous historical indigenous leader around these parts and he had slaves, but there is no talk about changing the name of the elementary school named after him because he did that.   I wonder why not...? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquinna

Well, there's a project for you.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on February 16, 2020, 12:43:32 pm
Maybe the people of Victoria don't like the attachment to the racism John A brought to the indigenous people of the country.

John A’s  racism was nothing unusual for his day but we can all feel so superior judging people from 150 years ago by our standards.

Maybe the people of Victoria would rather be part of the US, which it would be but for John A. No racist history or racism there.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Omni on February 16, 2020, 12:55:22 pm
John A’s  racism was nothing unusual for his day but we can all feel so superior judging people from 150 years ago by our standards.

Maybe the people of Victoria would rather be part of the US, which it would be but for John A. No racist history or racism there.

Yes Trump is doing a solid job of keeping that part of their history alive.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on February 16, 2020, 02:22:50 pm
John A’s  racism was nothing unusual for his day but we can all feel so superior judging people from 150 years ago by our standards.

When that past marginalized and continues to marginalize pat of the population, it's definitely not worth celebrating.  This has been a long road of understanding for me. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 25, 2020, 10:33:33 pm
"cancel culture"... you've been warned!

I think Ricky Gervais and JK Rowling have discovered the way to beat cancel culture: when the lynch mob starts howling for your head...  ignore them.

Of course, it helps to be sufficiently famous or powerful that the mob can't hurt you.

 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 25, 2020, 11:18:09 pm
I think the outrage from the black/brownface was used up months ago. I'm surprised people still think it will work to generate a reaction.


Well, it seemed like you were right.  It seemed like people are mostly over it.  It seemed like most people have either forgiven or forgotten. It seems like Trudeau more or less escaped unscathed.  So you'd think the last person to bring the blackface fiasco back into the public eye would be Trudeau himself.

But of course... (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-blackface-1.5475399)

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Justin Trudeau acknowledged his own past history of unconscious racism during a celebration Monday of Black History Month.

The prime minister reflected on the "dumb choices" he made when he donned blackface and brownface multiple times in his younger days.

"Dumb choices?" Yes.  "Unconscious racism?" No.  It wasn't unconscious racism.  It was just racism.

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Trudeau said he experienced "a moment of deep disappointment" in himself when he realized that he'd "really hurt" people who considered him an ally in the fight against racism.

But he said black leaders across the country encouraged him to turn the mortifying disclosure into something positive for race relations in Canada.

"It will be on my shoulders because that is part of my story now, to make sure that I can then say, 'This is what we kept working on, this is what we kept doing and this is how we as a team, as a government and me as an individual is working to make sure that ... these barriers and this anti-black racism that still exists is directly addressed and minimized across this country for future generations."'

Maybe the thinking is that since white guilt is very popular right now, being the guiltiest white of all is something he can use as a positive?  I dunno. I do think it's a little galling that the guy who hadn't figured out that blackface was wrong by age 29 is calling for the rest of us to learn from his example.

He has blamed his behavior on "a massive blindspot of privilege".  Which privilege?  Being white? Perhaps.  Being wealthy? Perhaps. What about being the son of Canada's most famous Prime Minister? Was growing up as Justin Trudeau a get-out-of-jail card that let you get away with doing stuff that would have got other people told-off or perhaps even beat up?  I dunno.  Whatever the case, he's gotten away with appalling behavior with complete impunity, and I'm not sure that makes him the best guy to be lecturing the rest of us.



 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 27, 2020, 01:37:12 pm
When that past marginalized and continues to marginalize pat of the population, it's definitely not worth celebrating.  This has been a long road of understanding for me.

There were good things to happen in the past as well as bad things, things we should be both proud and not proud of.  That has always been true and will always be true in any country in the world.  If today wasn't better than 100 years ago then that would be bad because we aren't progressing.

You can celebrate the past while also acknowledging its shortcomings.  Every PM before a couple of decades ago can be rightfully accused of being transphobe homophobes for the rights they didn't give LGBT, and every PM before the 1920's can be called sexist for not fighting for women's suffrage.  We can do this kind of thing for every PM and POTUS.  Eventually we'll have most people believing Canada is an inherently evil illegitimate colonial country, they'll be ashamed and will protest Canada Day more than they celebrate it.  It's already started.  That's how you destroy a country.

There's certainly some truth to view but there's at least 2 sides to every narrative and acknowledging only one side is an incomplete view of history.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: ?Impact on February 27, 2020, 02:04:05 pm
Every PM before a couple of decades ago can be rightfully accused of being transphobe

It has been a slow road, but I would say the first significant step was more than a couple of decades ago. On February 7, 1968, Federal Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Pierre E. Trudeau said: "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 27, 2020, 11:20:51 pm
deadline day today for candidates applying for/meeting first phase criteria to replace weakAndy as CPC leader:

what say you waldo.... uhhh... the waldo says Slim Pickens!

(https://i.imgur.com/SGMExjv.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on February 28, 2020, 01:13:11 am
Despite what you guys might assume, I actually haven't voted Conservative for a long time.  And nothing on that list is likely to change my mind. Most of these names don't mean much to me, those that I do recognize don't inspire.  I don't hate Peter MacKay, I guess, but I can't picture him fixing what ails the party, either.

From what I gather, Leslyn Lewis is a far right religious nutjob. I wonder if the same elements that put Andrew Scheer and Brad Trost into the running last time will pick Lewis as their proxy this time.  She's a black woman from Toronto instead of a white man from the prairies, but she has endorsements from Campaign Life and others who are excited about her being pro-life, "supporting traditional marriage", and that sort of thing.

 -k



Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Boges on February 28, 2020, 07:53:58 am
deadline day today for candidates applying for/meeting first phase criteria to replace weakAndy as CPC leader:

what say you waldo.... uhhh... the waldo says Slim Pickens!

(https://i.imgur.com/SGMExjv.png)

Might I ask which CPC candidate would you consider not "Slim Pickens"?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on February 28, 2020, 02:39:25 pm
Might I ask which CPC candidate would you consider not "Slim Pickens"?

Who on the list do you like?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 28, 2020, 08:09:51 pm
deadline day today for candidates applying for/meeting first phase criteria to replace weakAndy as CPC leader:

what say you waldo.... uhhh... the waldo says Slim Pickens!

(https://i.imgur.com/SGMExjv.png)

the Slim Pickens are "less slim" after spokespersons for 'Richard Decarie' & 'Rudy Husny' notified media today that their respective entries have been made... and are still waiting on the official CPC "stamp of approval"

(https://i.imgur.com/11C18Lq.png)

and, of course, the Trumpian like 'Jim Karahalios' --- that makes 9!
(https://i.imgur.com/PQFW79o.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on February 28, 2020, 08:18:28 pm
Might I ask which CPC candidate would you consider not "Slim Pickens"?

first, I really struggled with the loss of Brad Wall... then when Poilievre quit I felt forlorn and abandoned... the topper was seeing John Baird "pull out"! But member Boges, when Buffalo Gal left, geezaz, that was the last straw! After all that, the CPC leadership run to replace weakAndy was deadToMe!
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on March 01, 2020, 12:30:10 pm
and now... the CPC powersThatBe rule that SoCon Decarie (former Harper adviser) can't play! And he refuses to go gently into the night:

(https://i.imgur.com/VDwT0sQ.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on March 01, 2020, 12:34:25 pm
waldo, howsABout a running snapshot! And by the by, at what point do "moderates" mmmKay & O'Tool begin to pivot away from the SoCon base - or do they?

and then there were 8!

(https://i.imgur.com/O6CQUx2.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: JMT on March 01, 2020, 12:52:00 pm
They're so ****.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on March 01, 2020, 04:33:44 pm
Never trust a man in a bow-tie.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Granny on March 01, 2020, 09:53:35 pm
and now... the CPC powersThatBe rule that SoCon Decarie (former Harper adviser) can't play! And he refuses to go gently into the night:

(https://i.imgur.com/VDwT0sQ.png)

SoCons are not electable on a national stage. They should just start their own party and remain isolated, shrieking anachronisms in parliament.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on March 06, 2020, 11:10:03 am
True Blue kingmaker says MacKay is chopped liver!

(https://i.imgur.com/xRSKWWD.png)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on March 07, 2020, 12:34:57 pm
wanting to avoid a repeat of the last failed CPC mega-candidate (17) leadership field, a new more rigour demanding 3-tier categorization was adopted; one that moves through meeting the criteria measured categories of Approved-vs-Authorized-vs-Verified levels... at the end, only candidates receiving the Verified designation will be eligible as final election candidates and have their names appear on the CPC leadership ballot.

... where we see O'Tool now touting his Verified status:

(https://i.imgur.com/eGqwI4G.png)


by the by, the waldo questions how much of the internal "divide" between candidates is legitimate "blue versus red Tory"... and how much is somewhat manufactured to bring media notice/attention forward on the "race". In any case, it seems this past week has "True Blue O'Tool" setting up a clear delineation between himself and "Liberal Lite mmmKay"
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on March 12, 2020, 04:03:21 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTgfHbZJ_Vc

justVisitingJason says Erin is a, "principled Conservative who gets things done, who can unite our party and reach out to Canadians while fighting for a fair deal for Alberta and the West".

Kenney & O'Tool with a big finish: "Let's Git-R-Done!", they say!  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on March 12, 2020, 04:40:33 am
(https://i.imgur.com/ibqyXku.png)

uhhh... does the O'Tool blockade consider YankeeOil as foreign - an O'Tool blockade of American imported oil that accounts for >50% of all imported oil to the 4 Canadian provinces of ON, QC, NL & NB?

wait waldo, by the Mb/d measure, the Canadian import of American oil is equivalent to less than 12% of the total amount of oil that Canada exports to the U.S. --- what would Trumpy do when faced with this O'Tool import blockade?

wait, wait waldo, O'Tool doesn't say how he'd replace that American imported oil... you know, how he'd do it in a timely manner; one that considers practical, logistical and physical means to replace that Foreign American oil. How so Conservative CPC leadership candidate O'Tool, how so?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: MH on March 12, 2020, 09:25:52 am
Let's not even talk about him.... I hope he wins so that the Cons can lose even more in the next election.


The online yahoos are hating Peter McKay because he's trying to get the social conservative yahoos to stop hating the gays.... The Liberals will happily take all the reasonable red Tory votes...
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on March 13, 2020, 12:39:54 pm
If the CPC elects leaders like Scheer and O'Toole, people who are too conservative for many Canadians to vote for, and the NDP & Greens remain the socialist nutters they always have been and people don't vote for them either....we basically only have 1 party in this country.  We need a moderate centrist party badly, or at least the red tories back.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: kimmy on March 13, 2020, 01:49:10 pm
Let's not even talk about him.... I hope he wins so that the Cons can lose even more in the next election.


The online yahoos are hating Peter McKay because he's trying to get the social conservative yahoos to stop hating the gays.... The Liberals will happily take all the reasonable red Tory votes...

I watched Leslyn Lewis interview with Vassy Kapelos yesterday.  Lewis and O'Toole seem to think that social conservatives can get them the leadership. If the party goes that direction, they're doomed to fail.

I haven't voted CPC since 2011, and it might be a long time before I ever consider it again.  I might be stuck with the Liberals...  I'll be happier about it once the Liberals have somebody normal as their leader.


 -k
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 17, 2020, 12:31:16 pm
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2020/5/15/1_4941780.html

Scheer never did renounce his American citizenship.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 17, 2020, 01:17:27 pm
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2020/5/15/1_4941780.html

Scheer never did renounce his American citizenship.

Guy is a slimy piece of crap.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 17, 2020, 01:23:03 pm
Guy is a slimy piece of crap.

He isn’t going to be leader anymore. Dion still has his French citizenship.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 17, 2020, 01:30:21 pm
He isn’t going to be leader anymore. Dion still has his French citizenship.

It’s not the citizenship that’s the issue...  it’s the rank hypocrisy of Scheer and other Conservatives applying one standard for themselves and riling up their redneck, uninformed base to get into a frenzy about other dual-citizenship politicians, going so far as to question their loyalty to Canada. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 17, 2020, 02:03:53 pm
It’s not the citizenship that’s the issue...  it’s the rank hypocrisy of Scheer and other Conservatives applying one standard for themselves and riling up their redneck, uninformed base to get into a frenzy about other dual-citizenship politicians, going so far as to question their loyalty to Canada.

Goes both ways, the Conservatives made a big deal of Dion’s French citizenship when he was Liberal leader, the Liberals have done the same with Scheer. Neither has a monopoly on hypocrisy and to suggest otherwise is just, well, hypocritical.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 17, 2020, 03:07:44 pm
It’s not the citizenship that’s the issue...  it’s the rank hypocrisy of Scheer and other Conservatives applying one standard for themselves and riling up their redneck, uninformed base to get into a frenzy about other dual-citizenship politicians, going so far as to question their loyalty to Canada.

What's Scheer's loyalty to the US?  Not much.  He just wants it for his convenience.  Dual citizenship is dumb.  Choose your loyalty and choose wisely.  Nobody needs two passports, or to vote in a country where you don't live, which is essentially most of the rights citizenship grants you anyways.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 17, 2020, 03:11:16 pm
Goes both ways, the Conservatives made a big deal of Dion’s French citizenship when he was Liberal leader, the Liberals have done the same with Scheer. Neither has a monopoly on hypocrisy and to suggest otherwise is just, well, hypocritical.

Michael Ignatieff moved back to the US not long after his failed PM bid.  "Just visiting" was bang on.  He's not much of a Canadian at all.  At least Dion and Scheer live in Canada permanently.  And because of that, they have no need for US or French citizenship, it's just for convenience.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on May 17, 2020, 05:01:28 pm
Michael Ignatieff moved back to the US not long after his failed PM bid.  "Just visiting" was bang on.  He's not much of a Canadian at all.  At least Dion and Scheer live in Canada permanently.  And because of that, they have no need for US or French citizenship, it's just for convenience.

a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian!

ragging on Scheer was good sport... since Scheer claimed (with no substantiation) that he was "in the process" of rescinding his American citizenship... where no record of same exists within the related American registry! His latest lie about stopping the process is predicated on that initial lie that he actually started the process.

by the by, Ignatieff went back to Harvard for the work (2 years worth)... he has spent significantly more time in Europe/Canada teaching & lecturing than time spent in the U.S.. Again, now in Europe, which is where he's been since 2016 (as President and Rector of Central European University).
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 17, 2020, 05:12:08 pm
a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian!

Not in my books, and not if you're running for PM of the country.

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by the by, Ignatieff went back to Harvard for the work (2 years worth)... he has spent significantly more time in Europe/Canada teaching & lecturing than time spent in the U.S.. Again, now in Europe, which is where he's been since 2016 (as President and Rector of Central European University).

How many years in his adult life has Ignatieff spent living in Canada vs living in the US and UK/Europe?  How many of those years in Canada spent here specifically so he could try and attain power as our PM?  After he failed to become PM, how many years did he stay in Canada?  That's what I thought.  What a patriot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcUN4IVVPMo
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on May 17, 2020, 05:27:32 pm
How many years in his adult life has Ignatieff spent living in Canada vs living in the US and UK/Europe?  How many of those years in Canada spent here specifically so he could try and attain power as our PM?  After he failed to become PM, how many years did he stay in Canada?  That's what I thought.  What a patriot!

so... wait, you mean you don't know? Innuendo without substance is just bluster!

by the by, there's a whole lotta Canadians living/working outside of Canada - nearly 2.8 million Canadians (nearly 8% of all citizens of Canada)... or wait, you don't consider any of them to be Canadian?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 17, 2020, 06:58:42 pm
Goes both ways, the Conservatives made a big deal of Dion’s French citizenship when he was Liberal leader, the Liberals have done the same with Scheer. Neither has a monopoly on hypocrisy and to suggest otherwise is just, well, hypocritical.

Which Liberal made Scheer’s citizenship an issue?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 17, 2020, 07:33:35 pm
so... wait, you mean you don't know? Innuendo without substance is just bluster!

Answer the questions...if you dare.

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by the by, there's a whole lotta Canadians living/working outside of Canada - nearly 2.8 million Canadians (nearly 8% of all citizens of Canada)... or wait, you don't consider any of them to be Canadian?

I never said that.  If you've been living outside of Canada for most of your life and have taken on a new citizenship somewhere else then I don't consider you much of a Canadian, in fact I think you should be forced by law to renounce your Canadian citizenship.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 17, 2020, 09:32:33 pm
Which Liberal made Scheer’s citizenship an issue?



I'm not a fan of dual citizenship but as he will no longer be PM, why should he get rid of his US citizenship? The process takes at least a year so it wouldn't be complete by now anyway. I assume Liberals would have been just fine with a dual citizen PM if Dion had won in 08.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on May 17, 2020, 10:21:13 pm
a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian!

ragging on Scheer was good sport... since Scheer claimed (with no substantiation) that he was "in the process" of rescinding his American citizenship... where no record of same exists within the related American registry! His latest lie about stopping the process is predicated on that initial lie that he actually started the process.

by the by, Ignatieff went back to Harvard for the work (2 years worth)... he has spent significantly more time in Europe/Canada teaching & lecturing than time spent in the U.S.. Again, now in Europe, which is where he's been since 2016 (as President and Rector of Central European University).

How many years in his adult life has Ignatieff spent living in Canada vs living in the US and UK/Europe?  How many of those years in Canada spent here specifically so he could try and attain power as our PM?  After he failed to become PM, how many years did he stay in Canada?  That's what I thought.  What a patriot!

so... wait, you mean you don't know? Innuendo without substance is just bluster!

Answer the questions...if you dare.

if I... I... dare? ;D Is this you, yet again, beakingOff - with nothing to support your blustering beakOff?

by the by, there's a whole lotta Canadians living/working outside of Canada - nearly 2.8 million Canadians (nearly 8% of all citizens of Canada)... or wait, you don't consider any of them to be Canadian?

I never said that.  If you've been living outside of Canada for most of your life and have taken on a new citizenship somewhere else then I don't consider you much of a Canadian, in fact I think you should be forced by law to renounce your Canadian citizenship.

are you saying Mr. Ignatieff has, as you say, "taken on a new citizenship somewhere else"? By your quoted statements here, if he hasn't... then YOU DO consider him to be a Canadian... and if so, please backpedal harder, hey! Perhaps a furious backpedal on your part is in order - yes?

Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 17, 2020, 10:37:24 pm


I'm not a fan of dual citizenship but as he will no longer be PM, why should he get rid of his US citizenship? The process takes at least a year so it wouldn't be complete by now anyway. I assume Liberals would have been just fine with a dual citizen PM if Dion had won in 08.

Sorry, what?  Did you not read the question I asked?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 17, 2020, 10:48:30 pm
Sorry, what?  Did you not read the question I asked?

I read it. It was all over the press.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 17, 2020, 10:57:26 pm
I read it. It was all over the press.

Then it should be easy for you to answer the question...
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 17, 2020, 11:18:08 pm
Then it should be easy for you to answer the question...

It is. It was all over the presss. Do you think Conservatives were criticizing him for his citizenship? If they were, they wouldn’t be hypocrites would they.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 18, 2020, 12:53:04 am
It is. It was all over the presss. Do you think Conservatives were criticizing him for his citizenship? If they were, they wouldn’t be hypocrites would they.

Wait, what? 

So did Liberals point out that he shouldn’t have dual citizenship or that he was a hypocrite for having it when he, and his party, criticized others for the same thing?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 18, 2020, 09:00:11 am
Wait, what? 

So did Liberals point out that he shouldn’t have dual citizenship or that he was a hypocrite for having it when he, and his party, criticized others for the same thing?

Well who do you think was being critical, Conservatives?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 18, 2020, 12:02:19 pm
Well who do you think was being critical, Conservatives?

Again, you avoid the question...   were they critical of the hypocrisy?  Or of holding dual citizenship?   Do you think those two things are the same? 

Put up Wilber...  provide a quote by someone who was critical. 
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 18, 2020, 07:40:09 pm
Again, you avoid the question...   were they critical of the hypocrisy?  Or of holding dual citizenship?   Do you think those two things are the same? 

Put up Wilber...  provide a quote by someone who was critical.


Find a quote from a Liberal who supported it.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 18, 2020, 08:04:40 pm

Find a quote from a Liberal who supported it.

You’re the one who claimed it...  why would I try and prove your argument for you?   ::)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 18, 2020, 08:50:50 pm
You’re the one who claimed it...  why would I try and prove your argument for you?   ::)

So Liberals do support PM's with dual citizenship.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: waldo on May 20, 2020, 12:27:24 am
and if you weren't aware, Buffalo Gal Rempel has been phoning it in from Oklahoma the last 3 months... nice work... if you can get it!

(https://i.imgur.com/YTysbUb.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 20, 2020, 02:42:39 am
How is one an MP for Canada when one is living in the USA?
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 20, 2020, 08:38:38 am
It would be interesting to know how many MP’s have dual citizenship. Bet there are more than a couple,
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 20, 2020, 08:46:21 am
So Scheer said he was in the "process" of renouncing his US citizenship during the election, but there was no actual record in US immigration records showing he filed any such process.  Turns out "in the process" means "i'm thinking about it".  He never even submitted an application and was only going to if he became PM, and then well only maybe, probably was lying about that too.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 20, 2020, 10:49:50 am
It would be interesting to know how many MP’s have dual citizenship. Bet there are more than a couple,

I don’t think it matters.  Do you?

Living in another country while you’re an MP...   that should never happen. 

It really makes the CPC criticism of the PM visiting his family 30 minutes away look petty and stupid when one of their “star” MPs is living in Oklahoma (visiting family?).
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 20, 2020, 11:57:40 am
I don’t think it matters.  Do you?

Living in another country while you’re an MP...   that should never happen.
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That's not quite what happened. You can approve or not but she doesn't live there.

Accusing Conservatives of being hypocritical in the past over dual citizenship is fair but it has nothing to do with Scheer not renouncing his US citizenship. He has been criticized for hiding it, which he didn't, he just didn't advertise it. He should have. There are currently 44 MP's and 12 Senators who were born outside Canada, at least 22 have citizenships in another country and some of them are in cabinet. Dion and Mulcair are both dual citizens. Anyone who would accuse Scheer of divided loyalties because of his citizenship should be questioning their own objectivity.

Scheer will no longer be leader so whether he renounces his US citizenship or not is a personal matter. Who cares.

As for breaking promises, Trudeau promised modest 10 billion deficits to kick start the economy returning to a balanced budget by the end of his first term. Instead he added 80 billion to the debt and Morneau's December update was forecasting adding another 97 billion to the debt by 2025.

Seems to me the dual citizenship of one person should have been small potatoes next to over 170 billion in added debt.

Now we will be adding hundreds of billions more debt by 2025 but that is another story.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: the_squid on May 20, 2020, 12:03:38 pm
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That's not quite what happened. You can approve or not but she doesn't live there.

Accusing Conservatives of being hypocritical in the past over dual citizenship is fair but it has nothing to do with Scheer not renouncing his US citizenship. He has been criticized for hiding it, which he didn't, he just didn't advertise it. He should have. There are currently 44 MP's and 12 Senators who were born outside Canada, at least 22 have citizenships in another country and some of them are in cabinet. Dion and Mulcair are both dual citizens. Anyone who would accuse Scheer of divided loyalties because of his citizenship should be questioning their own objectivity.

Scheer will no longer be leader so whether he renounces his US citizenship or not is a personal matter. Who cares.

As for breaking promises, Trudeau promised modest 10 billion deficits to kick start the economy returning to a balanced budget by the end of his first term. Instead he added 80 billion to the debt and Morneau's December update was forecasting adding another 97 billion to the debt by 2025.

Seems to me the dual citizenship of one person should have been small potatoes next to over 170 billion in added debt.

Now we will be adding hundreds of billions more debt by 2025 but that is another story.

Your fixation on the deficit is taking over every post...   dual citizenship and living in a different country as an MP is what we’re discussing.  There is already a thread about the deficit. 

I think it’s tone-deaf and hypocritical to live in the USA, even just during the pandemic, while you are an MP.  Meanwhile, the CPC criticized Trudeau for travelling 20 minutes to see his family.
Title: Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
Post by: wilber on May 20, 2020, 12:22:58 pm
Your fixation on the deficit is taking over every post...   dual citizenship and living in a different country as an MP is what we’re discussing.  There is already a thread about the deficit. 

I think it’s tone-deaf and hypocritical to live in the USA, even just during the pandemic, while you are an MP.  Meanwhile, the CPC criticized Trudeau for travelling 20 minutes to see his family.

Gee, and I thought the subject was breaking promises. Guess not.