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Beyond Ottawa => Provincial and Local Politics => Topic started by: the_squid on April 23, 2019, 09:20:44 pm

Title: PEI election
Post by: the_squid on April 23, 2019, 09:20:44 pm
PC minority with a Green Party Official Opposition!!  Wow...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/p-e-i-voters-elect-pc-minority-amid-green-surge-1.4390479
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: TimG on April 23, 2019, 09:39:33 pm
Voters in Canada have a long tradition of tradition of getting so sick of the incumbents that get flock to a previously marginal upstart. Sometimes the upstart flames out like the federal NDP. Sometimes the big political actors unite under the new label and the upstart becomes one of the two competitors for government like the BC liberals. The Green party was in the right place at the right time.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: Omni on April 23, 2019, 09:52:44 pm
Voters in Canada have a long tradition of tradition of getting so sick of the incumbents that get flock to a previously marginal upstart. Sometimes the upstart flames out like the federal NDP. Sometimes the big political actors unite under the new label and the upstart becomes one of the two competitors for government like the BC liberals. The Green party was in the right place at the right time.

"Long tradition"? When have Canadians ever elected an upstart party like the Greens before?
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: TimG on April 23, 2019, 10:04:22 pm
"Long tradition"? When have Canadians ever elected an upstart party like the Greens before?
The Greens are just the current placeholder that is benefiting from the anti-establishment votes. Socreds, CCF, Reform, PQ, Bloq, CAQ are all similar examples from the past.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: Omni on April 23, 2019, 10:58:23 pm
The Greens are just the current placeholder that is benefiting from the anti-establishment votes. Socreds, CCF, Reform, PQ, Bloq, CAQ are all similar examples from the past.

True, and those parties ended up either melding into the two major parties or just disappeared altogether. We shal see what happens with the Greens.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: waldo on April 23, 2019, 11:35:34 pm
Voters in Canada have a long tradition of tradition of getting so sick of the incumbents that get flock to a previously marginal upstart. Sometimes the upstart flames out like the federal NDP. Sometimes the big political actors unite under the new label and the upstart becomes one of the two competitors for government like the BC liberals. The Green party was in the right place at the right time.

those Green Party seats have ya just a tad 'uneasy', hey! By the by, your analysis fails as that long tradition you speak of had 50 years of a regular back and forth the Liberals winning three, then the PCs winning three. By that count/routine, it was the PCs 'turn' this election... even as you attempt to belittle the Green Party's results.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: kimmy on April 24, 2019, 03:30:37 am
So 7 of the 10 provinces now have center-right governments, right?  BC, NL, and NS are the only remaining center-left governments?

 -k
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: MH on April 24, 2019, 06:12:08 am
I heard the PC leader on the radio and he himself sounds non-traditional.  He wouldn't trash-talk the Liberals and led a high-road campaign ?

I'm down with that.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: waldo on April 24, 2019, 09:36:39 am
So 7 of the 10 provinces now have center-right governments, right?  BC, NL, and NS are the only remaining center-left governments?

huh! Other than sharing a party name, this PEI Progressive Conservative government doesn't appear to share much with the Ontario Ford government... certainly doesn't align with much of what Albertan's should expect from a Jason Kenney government - yes?
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: kimmy on April 24, 2019, 09:57:56 am
Has there ever been a time when we had so few provincial Liberal governments in power in this country? 2 provinces with a combined population less than 2 million...

 -k
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: waldo on April 24, 2019, 10:22:47 am
Has there ever been a time when we had so few provincial Liberal governments in power in this country? 2 provinces with a combined population less than 2 million...

it's a rather baseless reference you're attempting to make - comparing provincial governments (by name) is less precise/meaningful than even comparing federal to provincial governments (by name)
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: Granny on April 25, 2019, 11:13:03 am
PC minority with a Green Party Official Opposition!!  Wow...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/p-e-i-voters-elect-pc-minority-amid-green-surge-1.4390479

The Greens have been a welcome and sensible voice in politics in Canada. I hope this is the first of many opportunities for Greens to have an even stronger voice in our legislatures.

Very exciting.  ;D
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: waldo on April 25, 2019, 01:30:58 pm
The Greens have been a welcome and sensible voice in politics in Canada. I hope this is the first of many opportunities for Greens to have an even stronger voice in our legislatures.

Very exciting.  ;D

encouraging, yes - but they'll go nowhere federally until they dump May
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: ?Impact on April 25, 2019, 03:06:20 pm
encouraging, yes - but they'll go nowhere federally until they dump May

What do you mean dump May? Yes, she is not the most inspiring leader in Canadian political history but there are many far less inspiring that have lead other parties and even became Prime Minister.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: cybercoma on April 25, 2019, 03:14:27 pm
The Greens are just the current placeholder that is benefiting from the anti-establishment votes. Socreds, CCF, Reform, PQ, Bloq, CAQ are all similar examples from the past.
i see you know sweet fuck all about PEI politics.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: MH on April 26, 2019, 09:02:38 am
What do you mean dump May? Yes, she is not the most inspiring leader in Canadian political history but there are many far less inspiring that have lead other parties and even became Prime Minister.

Including and especially our current 'big 3'
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: Granny on April 26, 2019, 11:26:16 am
encouraging, yes - but they'll go nowhere federally until they dump May
May is not the typical party leader we're used to.
She doesn't 'play' politics. She doesn't get upset, or try to upset others with 'low blows'.
She is intelligent, well-informed and speaks calmly and truthfully.

She is the kind of leader we need, and in my experience, so are other Green candidates.

We're at a point where the vicious shenanigans in the House of Commons are offensive to most decent Canadians, where schoolchildren easily identify politicians behaviour as bullying, insults and demeaning others and teachers are reluctant to take kids to parliament because of the bad example set by MP's.

Elizabeth May and the Green Party are a breath of fresh air. We need more of that.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: waldo on April 26, 2019, 12:18:13 pm
May is not the typical party leader we're used to.
She doesn't 'play' politics. She doesn't get upset, or try to upset others with 'low blows'.
She is intelligent, well-informed and speaks calmly and truthfully.

She is the kind of leader we need, and in my experience, so are other Green candidates.

We're at a point where the vicious shenanigans in the House of Commons are offensive to most decent Canadians, where schoolchildren easily identify politicians behaviour as bullying, insults and demeaning others and teachers are reluctant to take kids to parliament because of the bad example set by MP's.

Elizabeth May and the Green Party are a breath of fresh air. We need more of that.

no - in terms of climate science she's been found wanting several times. My suggestion to "dump" was more in line with her failings to move the 'Green Party needle' beyond her small BC enclave - despite running a full complement of candidates, no "break-through" anywhere else. Given the shallow pool of personality that drives most of the typical un/ill-informed citizenry, May is not the face of a party needing a leader to bring the Green Party forward as a national political force.

I've some familiarity with the scientific background of Andrew Weaver, and believe he's learning how to politically maneuver the Green Party into the next levels; see the coalition play even if that somewhat separated him from the BC Green Party proper. In any case, he's the type of person/leader I would look toward to move Greens forward federally - certainly not May!
(https://i.imgur.com/6ednpKS.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOeKBMd1A70

and another perspective; not necessarily one I share fully: How Elizabeth May taught conservatives never to trust green activists (https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/philip-cross-how-elizabeth-may-taught-conservatives-never-to-trust-green-activists)
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: ?Impact on April 26, 2019, 12:44:15 pm
I've some familiarity with the scientific background of Andrew Weaver, and believe he's learning how to politically maneuver the Green Party into the next levels

The resume on the first part sounds good. I would like to see more about the second. Success in politics is about many things. While May not have the most scientific background, and certainly needs help in inspiring others, we should not overlook her legal experience and long background in the Canadian political process. She spent many years involved in Parliament, long before she became an MP.

While the GPC is relatively new compared to the Liberals and the NDP (not sure how old we consider the CPC), May is actually the eighth (full time, there was also an interim one) leader. The party holds leadership elections every four years, and if general elections remain on a four year schedule then it will be about 18 months before the general election. May was first elected in 2006, so this is her fourth term. I don't believe she was challenged in 2018, but I didn't look at that level of detail in the 2018 conference. I haven't heard about term limits in the party, but I don't think any of the major parties have them.
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: the_squid on April 26, 2019, 05:28:31 pm
Being shit-faced and making stupid comments at an event doesn't show great leadership.   
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: Granny on April 26, 2019, 08:40:26 pm
Being shit-faced and making stupid comments at an event doesn't show great leadership.

Hell, ya, like none of us have ever done that!  ;D
Title: Re: PEI election
Post by: Granny on April 26, 2019, 09:15:43 pm
no - in terms of climate science she's been found wanting several times. My suggestion to "dump" was more in line with her failings to move the 'Green Party needle' beyond her small BC enclave - despite running a full complement of candidates, no "break-through" anywhere else. Given the shallow pool of personality that drives most of the typical un/ill-informed citizenry, May is not the face of a party needing a leader to bring the Green Party forward as a national political force.

I've some familiarity with the scientific background of Andrew Weaver, and believe he's learning how to politically maneuver the Green Party into the next levels; see the coalition play even if that somewhat separated him from the BC Green Party proper. In any case, he's the type of person/leader I would look toward to move Greens forward federally - certainly not May!
(https://i.imgur.com/6ednpKS.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOeKBMd1A70

and another perspective; not necessarily one I share fully: How Elizabeth May taught conservatives never to trust green activists (https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/philip-cross-how-elizabeth-may-taught-conservatives-never-to-trust-green-activists)

Trying to find a home for Mother's Green Earth among Conservatives and Liberals clearly didn't work.
Because our extraction economy doesn't work in the long run.
Make no mistake: Greens are all about business,
green business.