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Title: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on March 31, 2019, 11:39:16 pm
In just over 2 weeks Alberta heads to the polls.   People have long assumed the new Alberta "united right" UCP party would win by a landslide.  But I saw a poll yesterday that showed that while UCP will handily win the rural parts of the province, the NDP has a significant lead in Edmonton, and Calgary is very close-- the UCP lead is less than the margin of error.  It will all come down to Calgary.

Jason Kenney's own scandal regarding the UCP leadership campaign, as well as several candidates resigning for reasons that reflected badly on the party (a white nationalist, in particular, grabbed headlines...) have no doubt cut into the UCP's chances of the landslide victory they expected.


-k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: MH on April 01, 2019, 05:50:35 am
It sounds like the NDP didn't do so badly.

Doesn't matter, though, politics is more religion than religion is.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 01, 2019, 11:27:19 am
Albertans donít really donít seem to care about ethics...   Kenney will win handily, despite being a scumbag.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 01, 2019, 12:12:57 pm
It sounds like the NDP didn't do so badly.




I think the RoC's perception of Notley is generally higher than Kenny but not living in Alberta I can't really understand its issues.

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Doesn't matter, though, politics is more religion than religion is.

Of some I think that is a true statement.

Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 01, 2019, 12:17:10 pm
Albertans donít really donít seem to care about ethics... 

And Ontario does?

I seem to have heard of a family in politics with the last name of "Ford."
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: waldo on April 01, 2019, 12:22:19 pm
Albertans donít really donít seem to care about ethics...   Kenney will win handily, despite being a scumbag.

fencesitter!
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: waldo on April 01, 2019, 12:27:27 pm
unite the right - with Harper still pulling Kenney's strings
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 08, 2019, 10:35:53 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vbcPfi2Yrc

-k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: MH on April 09, 2019, 06:29:00 am
I don't wanna click on that !  ??? ???
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Goddess on April 09, 2019, 03:10:14 pm
I'm in Alberta and this election is cray-cray.

UCPers are rabid.  And there's a lot of them.  I have friends that work in government jobs and others with AHS and they are not voting UCP (even though they normally would) because they know their jobs will be gone if the UCP get in.  Notley didn't get the pipeline in, so that is the main thrust of wanting the UCP in.

NDP supporters are generally not as rabid, but I notice there's a lot of "poking the bear" in the media on both sides.  Seems more than the usual amount, to me.  I have a friend running up in Peace River and her signs are getting destroyed on the daily.  One family had an NDP sign on their lawn destroyed and someone scratched "FUCK NDP" into their brand new vehicle.  It's an ugly election.

The Alberta Party is getting some interest since the debate, but I'm not sure how much actual support that will develop into.

I don't know anybody who is into the Liberal party in Alberta, but I'm sure they'll score some votes, too.

I'm still undecided between 2 parties, but the televised debate helped me eliminate one party for sure.  I've heard a few comments from people saying they're just gonna scrub their vote and vote Alberta Party because they don't like what any of them are really saying. 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 09, 2019, 03:54:18 pm
UCP supporters contain a lot of nasty elements.  I think it's a right-wing redneck thing...  they're the same ones who are proud to "roll coal" in their lifted pickups and don't have any qualms about threatening violence against Notley...   not saying this isn't present in BC...  it is.  But to a much, much lesser extent than in Alberta.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 10, 2019, 03:50:42 pm
The UCP canít even carry out its own election without the need for fraudulent votes.  But, Albertans will still vote for a fraudster. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ucp-leadership-voter-fraud-membership-lists-data-1.5091952
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: MH on April 11, 2019, 04:08:36 pm
   But, Albertans will still vote for a fraudster. 
 

I think we now understand that a giant idiot running as a conservative will get the vote out whereas a sub-par liberal candidate won't
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 11, 2019, 09:47:52 pm
The UCP canít even carry out its own election without the need for fraudulent votes.  But, Albertans will still vote for a fraudster.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ucp-leadership-voter-fraud-membership-lists-data-1.5091952

How is that different than any other province in Canada?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 16, 2019, 10:18:19 pm
Early Election Results:

Conservatives: 63
NDP: 24

Rural Alberta: a clean sweep by the good guys not even close
Edmonton: Communist country. The NDP takes nearly every riding
Calgary: All but a couple of ridings returned to the good guys.

UCP majority
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 16, 2019, 10:53:19 pm
Early Election Results:

Conservatives: 63
NDP: 24

Rural Alberta: a clean sweep by the good guys not even close
Edmonton: Communist country. The NDP takes nearly every riding
Calgary: All but a couple of ridings returned to the good guys.

The NDP can all get the hell out of Alberta, and never come back.

UCP majority

Hey good for you. Another corrupt redneck to govern you and fight with Ottawa endlessly. Maybe he and his buddy Ford from Ontario can get together and at least get y'all a "buck a beer" program going.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 16, 2019, 11:00:13 pm
Hey good for you. Another corrupt redneck to govern you and fight with Ottawa endlessly. Maybe he and his buddy Ford from Ontario can get together and at least get y'all a "buck a beer" program going.

Two provinces that are in the "have" category for most of Confederation, and here you are making fun of them.

Now comes the fun part. cutting off the oil supply to BC, and watching the prices hit $2.00

Those entitled fools could use some exercise, once it's too pricey to drive to work.

Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 16, 2019, 11:01:09 pm
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The NDP can all get the hell out of Alberta, and never come back.

What a stupid thing to say.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 16, 2019, 11:02:53 pm
What a stupid thing to say.

Another bitter British Colombian.

lol....You are going to love it when your gas prices skyrocket, when Alberta cuts off the taps.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5147827/alberta-election-live-results/

ahhh....what a picture. The entire province painted dark blue, with a smear of orange in the Edmonton area.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 16, 2019, 11:05:17 pm
Two provinces that are in the "have" category for most of Confederation, and here you are making fun of them.

Now comes the fun part. cutting off the oil supply to BC, and watching the prices hit $2.00

Those entitled fools could use some exercise, once it's too pricey to drive to work.

How many MORE people do you want to put out of work in Alta. with that stupid idea?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 16, 2019, 11:18:14 pm
How many MORE people do you want to put out of work in Alta. with that stupid idea?

it's only stupid to you, because you live in that beautiful province run by socialist parasites that brainwash you into believing "Alberta is baaaaad."

Wait until gas rises above $2.00/L.  You will be begging us to build that pipeline to the coast.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 16, 2019, 11:21:39 pm
it's only stupid to you, because you live in that beautiful province run by socialist parasites that brainwash you into believing "Alberta is baaaaad."

Wait until gas rises above $2.00/L.  You will be begging us to build that pipeline to the coast.

And yet you are suggesting shutting down the existing pipeline to the coast. And so answe the question, how many more Albertan's will be put out of work following your scheme?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 16, 2019, 11:29:40 pm
The UCP canít even carry out its own election without the need for fraudulent votes.  But, Albertans will still vote for a fraudster. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ucp-leadership-voter-fraud-membership-lists-data-1.5091952

I don't know anything about the UCP.  But what i've learned watching politics is that it's often the case of choosing to vote for who you think is the least crappy candidate, rather than who you like most.

I can't say i've often voted for candidates or parties I liked.  I could probably name on one hand the number of politicians in the world I actively have supported.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 16, 2019, 11:34:31 pm
How many MORE people do you want to put out of work in Alta. with that stupid idea?

Hmm, I never realize quite how intense the tensions are sometimes between BC and AB.  I guess the tensions make sense, given what's been happening.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 17, 2019, 12:15:31 am
Hmm, I never realize quite how intense the tensions are sometimes between BC and AB.  I guess the tensions make sense, given what's been happening.

Some people want to see more progress towards clean(er) energy, while others rely on the production of traditional (dirty) energy to pay their bills. Both valid points. There will be an end to fossil fuels somewhere down the road so we need to deal with that. Throwing stones across provincial borders isn't the way so hopefully cooler heads will prevail so we can make a smoother, sensible transition.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 17, 2019, 12:41:53 am
Well, that was a heck of a speech by Mr Kenney.

Albertans are frustrated, and wanted a more combative approach. They will get it.

I like Mrs Notley a lot, and I think that if the federal court hadn't overturned the pipeline approval last September, she might have had a chance of winning.   A lot of the Calgary races were very close, and delivering a pipeline could have kept some of those seats orange.

Watching the results, I noticed that in every single race, the NDP and UCP were either first or second, and the Alberta Party was 3rd.   The Alberta Liberal Party didn't finish in the top 3 in a single riding in the province.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 17, 2019, 12:58:26 am
I suspect relations between Edmonton and Ottawa are about to go into the swamp, at least for a while. I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 17, 2019, 01:04:45 am
And yet you are suggesting shutting down the existing pipeline to the coast. And so answe the question, how many more Albertan's will be put out of work following your scheme?

Its not my scheme.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 17, 2019, 01:09:14 am
I suspect relations between Edmonton and Ottawa are about to go into the swamp, at least for a while. I hope I'm wrong.

Seriously?  They have been in the swamp since September of 2018.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 17, 2019, 01:16:27 am
Hmm, I never realize quite how intense the tensions are sometimes between BC and AB.  I guess the tensions make sense, given what's been happening.

They are pretty bad. A bunch of radial leftists kept the attack on Alberta going for a year. Alberta just ignored it at first, but once job losses occurred Albertans did the honorable thing and defended their great province. Now I have no horse in this race (Im Manitoban), but as a impartial observer, I have concluded that people from BC are warmongers, and Albertans are noble people who try and weather the storm. However that changed a couple of months ago.

Alberta got sick of British Columbia NDP provocation. In the end, Alberta had to lay the law down, and draft the resolution that stated "Alberta has the right to cut off oil to the province of British Columbia."
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 17, 2019, 01:26:52 am
Some people want to see more progress towards clean(er) energy, while others rely on the production of traditional (dirty) energy to pay their bills. Both valid points. There will be an end to fossil fuels somewhere down the road so we need to deal with that. Throwing stones across provincial borders isn't the way so hopefully cooler heads will prevail so we can make a smoother, sensible transition.

It will never happen. By the time it does, it will be too late. The USA is moving backwards, in regards to fossil fuels, and I suggest we should not even try, since inevitably people are selfish, and one day a catastrophe will happen. Then war and a mass genocide will likely occur. I just hope this occurs when I am dead in 40 years.

Why should Canada be singled out?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: MH on April 17, 2019, 05:34:56 am
... since inevitably people are selfish.


People are not inextricably selfish, nor are they selfless either.  The models of governance work best when they harness the energy of the tension between those two human traits. 

Even selfish people are going to have to deal with running out of oil at some point.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 17, 2019, 06:20:13 am

People are not inextricably selfish, nor are they selfless either.  The models of governance work best when they harness the energy of the tension between those two human traits. 

Even selfish people are going to have to deal with running out of oil at some point.

Not talking about oil.  I'm referring to dramatic changes in the climate of the Earth.  People will have two options once hundreds of millions are displaced:

1) come together and change for the better
2) War and genocide

I would like to think that we could get together and solve problems.  However, I believe we can predict history from past events. In that case, war and genocide are almost a certainty.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Granny on April 17, 2019, 08:39:19 am
https://www.cbc.ca/1.5100085
Oilpatch hopes investment flows back to Alberta after big Kenney win
"Kenney's promise of setting up a "war room" to defend the sector against misinformation and attacks on social media and elsewhere is important, said Tristan Goodman, president of the Explorers and Producers Association of Canada, as well as a fresh approach on getting pipelines built."

I guess we can expect more paid oil trolls on discussion boards ... paid for by Albertans taxes. 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 17, 2019, 09:01:53 am
https://www.cbc.ca/1.5100085
Oilpatch hopes investment flows back to Alberta after big Kenney win
"Kenney's promise of setting up a "war room" to defend the sector against misinformation and attacks on social media and elsewhere is important, said Tristan Goodman, president of the Explorers and Producers Association of Canada, as well as a fresh approach on getting pipelines built."

The Conservative victory is not only a victory for Alberta, it is a victory for all of Canada.  A healthy and prosperous petroleum industry benefits all Canadians, directly and indirectly. 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 17, 2019, 09:12:33 am
I guess we can expect more paid oil trolls on discussion boards ... paid for by Albertans taxes.
Why is it that left zealots can't understand that people can have a different opinion than them without being paid or having some financial interest? I guess it comes from the general assumption that anyone who disagrees with far left radicals is evil and should be silenced by the state.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 09:19:11 am
Hmm, I never realize quite how intense the tensions are sometimes between BC and AB.  I guess the tensions make sense, given what's been happening.

Wasnít always that way.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 09:24:14 am
The Conservative victory is not only a victory for Alberta, it is a victory for all of Canada.  A healthy and prosperous petroleum industry benefits all Canadians, directly and indirectly.

Good luck with that but I think the problems run far deeper than just who rules in Edmonton.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Goddess on April 17, 2019, 09:44:45 am
Well, I guess we just elected a party with 4 active RCMP investigations into corruption......

Albertans can't seem to get enough of being raped by the PCs.  In the heyday of oil, where did all that money go?  Not to infrastructure, not to education, not to healthcare.  It lined the pockets of fat, old white men and Albertans seem happy with the few crumbs that they allow to fall from their table.

What a difference in the 2 speeches at the end of the night.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 17, 2019, 09:57:03 am
Albertans can't seem to get enough of being raped by the PCs.  In the heyday of oil, where did all that money go?  Not to infrastructure, not to education, not to healthcare.  It lined the pockets of fat, old white men and Albertans seem happy with the few crumbs that they allow to fall from their table.
Notley might have won if BC and Quebec were not filled with hypocritical jerks that refused to cooperate with her climate action for pipelines compromise. Now we get a confrontational approach which may not be any more successful but it will ultimately undermine the federation.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 10:09:13 am
Wasnít always that way.

Itís not now....    Iíve never heard anyone in BC talk about tensions between Alberta and B.C.    itís just not a thing here.  Itís a made up issue to stoke fear and resentment against someone...  anyone....   to draw attention away from actual issues in Alberta. 

The resource sector is boom and bust...   always has been.  Alberta has mismanaged it for decades.  They need someone to blame. 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 17, 2019, 10:14:12 am
The resource sector is boom and bust...   always has been.  Alberta has mismanaged it for decades.  They need someone to blame.
In this case, BC and deserves a lot of blame. There is no excuse for obstructing the development of pipelines since free movement of goods is the entire purpose of confederation. I hope Kenny creates a fuel crisis here in Vancouver so the SOBs can feel some of the pain that their self centered obstructionism is imposing on people who are supposed to be partners in confederation.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 10:47:17 am
In this case, BC and deserves a lot of blame. There is no excuse for obstructing the development of pipelines since free movement of goods is the entire purpose of confederation. I hope Kenny creates a fuel crisis here in Vancouver so the SOBs can feel some of the pain that their self centered obstructionism is imposing on people who are supposed to be partners in confederation.


LOL

You said contradictory things over two sentences. 

Difference being one Province is working through the courts in a legal way, the other, not so much.   I can disagree with the stance BC has taken, and we will see who will be correct through the courts.   Cutting off gas (which Alberta canít do anyway) is rhetoric and completely asinine.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 11:06:43 am
Itís not now....    Iíve never heard anyone in BC talk about tensions between Alberta and B.C.    itís just not a thing here.  Itís a made up issue to stoke fear and resentment against someone...  anyone....   to draw attention away from actual issues in Alberta. 

The resource sector is boom and bust...   always has been.  Alberta has mismanaged it for decades.  They need someone to blame.

Yes, all British Columbians are experts on the Alberta economy. Not.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 17, 2019, 11:10:00 am
Difference being one Province is working through the courts in a legal way, the other, not so much.
Using the courts to obstruct is still obstruction. Don't try to pretend it is reasonable or moral.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 17, 2019, 11:13:36 am
https://www.cbc.ca/1.5100085
Oilpatch hopes investment flows back to Alberta after big Kenney win
"Kenney's promise of setting up a "war room" to defend the sector against misinformation and attacks on social media and elsewhere is important, said Tristan Goodman, president of the Explorers and Producers Association of Canada, as well as a fresh approach on getting pipelines built."

I guess we can expect more paid oil trolls on discussion boards ... paid for by Albertans taxes.

I think they're talking more about counteracting anti-oilsands propaganda from some of the groups Kenney mentioned last night.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 17, 2019, 11:19:18 am
I like Mrs Notley a lot, and I think that if the federal court hadn't overturned the pipeline approval last September, she might have had a chance of winning.   A lot of the Calgary races were very close, and delivering a pipeline could have kept some of those seats orange.

The pipelines not being built certainly wasn't her fault.  She seems like a decent leader.

She was always fighting an uphill battle, since AB has always been a staunchly conservative province.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 17, 2019, 11:33:53 am

LOL

You said contradictory things over two sentences. 

Difference being one Province is working through the courts in a legal way, the other, not so much.   I can disagree with the stance BC has taken, and we will see who will be correct through the courts.   Cutting off gas (which Alberta canít do anyway) is rhetoric and completely asinine.

It hasn't been established that Alberta's "turn off the taps" legislation is actually illegal or unconstitutional.  It's actually very similar to BC's plan to require permits for products being shipped through pipelines.  BC's plan is to refuse permits to substances they consider dangerous; Alberta's plan is to issue permits to maximize Alberta export revenues.  The bill doesn't actually make any reference to any specific pipeline or province, it's phrased in terms of managing limited pipeline capacity for maximum economic benefit.   In practice, that means using the single existing pipeline to transport bitumen for international sale.  There's nothing inherently illegal there;  BC was in federal court last month to argue that their own pipeline permitting plan is constitutional.

As a side-effect, of course that would also mean that BC wouldn't be getting refined products from Edmonton through the Kinder Morgan 1953 pipeline. BC would only be getting bitumen, and BC doesn't have any capability of using bitumen.  BC would have to refine it's own products or import them from elsewhere.  Of course BC's little Fisher-Price refinery at Burnaby can't come close to meeting Vancouver's fuel requirements, and refineries in the western US are already operating at maximum capacity, so actually tracking down refined products might be a bit of a challenge... and probably pretty expensive.



I don't think the "shut off the taps" will actually happen, but I kind of wish it would, just for a little while.  It would quickly educate smug lower-mainland enviro-weenies about the importance of Alberta fossil fuel products in their lives.  David Eby testifying in court that the situation was a crisis for BC residents would be informative, as would John Horgan explaining that point to the federal government and national media.



 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 17, 2019, 11:39:22 am
It will never happen. By the time it does, it will be too late. The USA is moving backwards, in regards to fossil fuels, and I suggest we should not even try, since inevitably people are selfish, and one day a catastrophe will happen. Then war and a mass genocide will likely occur. I just hope this occurs when I am dead in 40 years.

Why should Canada be singled out?

IMO Canada's policies on CO2 should be contingent on what the US does.  Canada is a very small drop in the bucket, we emit just 1.69% of the world's CO2.  The US produces 17% alone.  Even if every Canadian drove EV's and we by miracle cut our emissions in half, it would do almost nothing on a global scale.  Canada can't save the world and we can't destroy it either.  It makes no sense to sacrifice our economy & pocketbooks when others aren't.  We need an international effort led by the biggest culprits.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 11:53:33 am
It hasn't been established that Alberta's "turn off the taps" legislation is actually illegal or unconstitutional.  It's actually very similar to BC's plan to require permits for products being shipped through pipelines.  BC's plan is to refuse permits to substances they consider dangerous; Alberta's plan is to issue permits to maximize Alberta export revenues.  The bill doesn't actually make any reference to any specific pipeline or province, it's phrased in terms of managing limited pipeline capacity for maximum economic benefit.   In practice, that means using the single existing pipeline to transport bitumen for international sale.  There's nothing inherently illegal there;  BC was in federal court last month to argue that their own pipeline permitting plan is constitutional.

As a side-effect, of course that would also mean that BC wouldn't be getting refined products from Edmonton through the Kinder Morgan 1953 pipeline. BC would only be getting bitumen, and BC doesn't have any capability of using bitumen.  BC would have to refine it's own products or import them from elsewhere.  Of course BC's little Fisher-Price refinery at Burnaby can't come close to meeting Vancouver's fuel requirements, and refineries in the western US are already operating at maximum capacity, so actually tracking down refined products might be a bit of a challenge... and probably pretty expensive.



I don't think the "shut off the taps" will actually happen, but I kind of wish it would, just for a little while.  It would quickly educate smug lower-mainland enviro-weenies about the importance of Alberta fossil fuel products in their lives.  David Eby testifying in court that the situation was a crisis for BC residents would be informative, as would John Horgan explaining that point to the federal government and national media.



 -k

Over fifty percent of the existing TM capacity is Alberta crude going to Cherry Point and the other Puget Sound refineries. If Kenney can and does shut down transportation of refined product and conventional crude, BC will grind to a halt in a week and there will have to be more Alaskan tankers to make up the loss to US markets.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 17, 2019, 11:55:28 am
Some people want to see more progress towards clean(er) energy, while others rely on the production of traditional (dirty) energy to pay their bills. Both valid points. There will be an end to fossil fuels somewhere down the road so we need to deal with that. Throwing stones across provincial borders isn't the way so hopefully cooler heads will prevail so we can make a smoother, sensible transition.

We also have to realize that blocking pipelines will not reduce the global use of oil.  Cars, trucks, planes, boats/ships, farming vehicles etc are going to run on oil for the foreseeable future not matter what AB or BC does, until clean vehicles & energy generation technology etc reaches critical mass.

It can't be understated how much the AB economy relies on oil and pipelines, and how much people in AB have been brutalized by the global drop in price in oil.  I have friends I know out of jobs, smart people, engineers etc, sitting at home who can't find work.  Stifling the pipelines only further puts salt in ABs wounds.

When a ton of jobs and incomes are on the line for people in your province, whether people like it or not, it is the AB premier's job to do everything in their power to get the oil flowing. Even if Kenney has to wage all-out trade warfare with BC or Ottawa, that's his job to do it.  It will make them realize how dependent we all are on AB and their oil.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 12:04:39 pm
I wonder how British Columbians would react if Albertans decided to "fix" BC's economy by restricting the access of the Port of Vancouver to the rest of Canada. I think I know and we might find out.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 17, 2019, 12:06:17 pm
We also have to realize that blocking pipelines will not reduce the global use of oil.  Cars, trucks, planes, boats/ships, farming vehicles etc are going to run on oil for the foreseeable future not matter what AB or BC does, until clean vehicles & energy generation technology etc reaches critical mass.

It can't be understated how much the AB economy relies on oil and pipelines, and how much people in AB have been brutalized by the global drop in price in oil.  I have friends I know out of jobs, smart people, engineers etc, sitting at home who can't find work.  Stifling the pipelines only further puts salt in ABs wounds.

When a ton of jobs and incomes are on the line for people in your province, whether people like it or not, it is the AB premier's job to do everything in their power to get the oil flowing. Even if Kenney has to wage all-out trade warfare with BC or Ottawa, that's his job to do it.  It will make them realize how dependent we all are on AB and their oil.

Well if Kenney decides to go the route of cutting off the flow of gas to BC, then BC will shut off the flow of wine to Alta. Touche Mr. Kenney. From what I know of Kenney, between his corruption and far right attitude, things will be in turmoil, at least for awhile.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 12:10:55 pm
Kind of like taking on a Glock with a stick don't you think?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 17, 2019, 12:19:22 pm
Who'd want to face a long hot summer with no vino!
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 12:43:17 pm
Who'd want to face a long hot summer with no vino!

Lots of vino from the US, South America, South Africa, Europe and Australia for sale in Alberta.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 17, 2019, 12:55:18 pm
Who controls the BC coasts? Is it BC or federal?  I don't think a trade war would end well or solve much.

I guess we'll see maybe.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 17, 2019, 01:08:02 pm
Who controls the BC coasts? Is it BC or federal?  I don't think a trade war would end well or solve much.

I guess we'll see maybe.

The answer to that question is very complex, especially when it comes to ocean shorelines. Are you talking near shore, far shore, what tide level are you focusing on, are you talking ports or just shoreline??? The jurisdictions are divided up in lots of ways.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 17, 2019, 01:11:01 pm
The answer to that question is very complex, especially when it comes to ocean shorelines. Are you talking near shore, far shore, what tide level are you focusing on, are you talking ports or just shoreline??? The jurisdictions are divided up in lots of ways.

I'm talking ports.  I'm talking about access to trade, and the power BC has over AB and the RoC.

Seems like the provinces are probably very interdependent on one another.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 01:22:50 pm
From the Port's website.

Quote
The Vancouver Fraser Port Authority is responsible for the stewardship of federal port lands in and around Vancouver, British Columbia. Like all Canada Port Authorities, the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority is established by the Government of Canada pursuant to the Canada Marine Act, and accountable to the federal minister of transport.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 17, 2019, 01:35:49 pm
I'm talking ports.  I'm talking about access to trade, and the power BC has over AB and the RoC.

Seems like the provinces are probably very interdependent on one another.

Depends what type of product you want to trade. Used to be you couldn't carry a 6 pack of beer across borders in eastern provinces. I think things have eased up nowadays on that trade.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 02:41:18 pm
Yes, all British Columbians are experts on the Alberta economy. Not.

You donít think the oil patch is a boom/bust industry? 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 05:22:02 pm
It would be completely unconstitutional for BC to stop Alberta from using the ports, obviously.   Despite the fact that this hasnít gone through the courts, even our resident pretend internet lawyer would say so.   

But BC will simply take Alberta to court, win, and get reparations.  Canít let bullies get their way.

I am looking forward to less Alberta tourists with their slow RVs clogging up my roads...  threats of a BC boycott, blah, blah...   but there will be just as many Albertans vacationing in BC as ever...   they either vacation here, or move here.   Most of Kim City is populated by Albertans these days. 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 05:50:23 pm
You donít think the oil patch is a boom/bust industry?

Unlike mining, forestry and real estate, right?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 05:51:59 pm
Unlike mining, forestry and real estate, right?

Yes, all boom/bust...   I donít think real estate is for the same reasons, or in the same category.   Whatís your point?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 05:55:49 pm
TURN OFF THE TAPS!!! 

Oh wait....    Kenney has already backtracked...   It took him 1 day after the election to move off his threats. 

 :o

Quote
Kenney said Wednesday he and Horgan have agreed to have a longer, in-person discussion on pipelines.

"I think Premier Horgan knows very well we are serious about defending our vital economic interests," Kenney said.

On April 30, Kenney said, his government will proclaim into law the so-called turn-off-the-taps legislation against B.C.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5102373
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 05:56:21 pm
Yes, all boom/bust...   I donít think real estate is for the same reasons, or in the same category.   Whatís your point?

Why isn't real estate in the same category,  it has been propped up with outside money, including Albertan. Pot calling kettle.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 05:58:24 pm
TURN OFF THE TAPS!!! 

Oh wait....    Kenney has already backtracked...   It took him 1 day after the election to move off his threats. 

 :o
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5102373

He got a reaction from Horgan, isn't that what it is really about?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 06:11:00 pm
Why isn't real estate in the same category,  it has been propped up with outside money, including Albertan. Pot calling kettle.

I didnít even disagree with you.   But itís not the resource sector.  There are different reasons for real estate boom/bust.

He got a reaction from Horgan, isn't that what it is really about?

When did Horgan ever say he wouldnít talk?  Reaction?  He got congratulated and an invitation to talk about the issues. 

It isnít what itís about...  itís about Kenney appealing to idiots who think he would actually TURN OFF THE TAPS!!!
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 06:19:01 pm
I didnít even disagree with you.   But itís not the resource sector.  There are different reasons for real estate boom/bust.

When did Horgan ever say he wouldnít talk?  Reaction?  He got congratulated and an invitation to talk about the issues. 

It isnít what itís about...  itís about Kenney appealing to idiots who think he would actually TURN OFF THE TAPS!!!

Oversupply and lack of markets are the reason behind every boom bust.

If you think Kenney has given up on the possibility of turning off the tap, I think you would be making a big mistake. The object is to get a pipeline built, not cut BC off.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 06:22:31 pm

If you think Kenney has given up on the possibility of turning off the tap, I think you would be making a big mistake. The object is to get a pipeline built, not cut BC off.

There was never the possibility....  thatís why it took him 1 day to backtrack.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 06:36:11 pm
There was never the possibility....  thatís why it took him 1 day to backtrack.

Maybe. BC. relies on Alberta for 90% of its petroleum products, only a fool would think they couldn't cause major trouble without going so far as cutting off all supply.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 06:45:28 pm
Maybe. BC. relies on Alberta for 90% of its petroleum products, only a fool would think they couldn't cause major trouble without going so far as cutting off all supply.

It doesnít matter.  Only a complete idiot would think that this wouldnít be overturned quickly...  with compensation having to be paid to BC and oil companies, and probably Canada too.

The Government of Canada owns the pipeline.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5101561
Quote
Bakan says it's not just the B.C. government that would challenge a turn-off-the-taps law. Distributors from the private sector and suppliers in Alberta will most likely challenge it in court as well.

"It's an economic hit to them because they are losing a market," Bakan said.

Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 07:23:26 pm
It doesnít matter.  Only a complete idiot would think that this wouldnít be overturned quickly...  with compensation having to be paid to BC and oil companies, and probably Canada too.

The Government of Canada owns the pipeline.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5101561

Compensation paid to BC for what? BC isn't paying for it.

Maybe the feds own it but if BC thinks it can dictate what comes out of the pipe,  Alberta can certainly dictate what goes into it.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 17, 2019, 07:31:37 pm
The feds are dithering because they care more about 9000 Quebec jobs than 100,000+ Alberta jobs. Deliberately creating a constitutional crisis could force the feds to stop dithering.

The hypocrisy of enviro-zealots is disgusting. They feel they are entitled to break the law whenever the law goes against them but when someone else threatens the same tactics they get all holier than thou about the rule of law.

About time the enviro-zealots got a taste of the own medicine.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 07:39:04 pm
Compensation paid to BC for what? BC isn't paying for it.

Maybe the feds own it but if BC thinks it can dictate what comes out of the pipe,  Alberta can certainly dictate what goes into it.

Damage to the economy from an unconstitutional act.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 17, 2019, 07:43:06 pm
Damage to the economy from an unconstitutional act.
Based on that logic Alberta should get compensation from any group that advocates breaking the law to obstruct legally approved projects. That would include the Green Party of Canada.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 08:04:28 pm
Based on that logic Alberta should get compensation from any group that advocates breaking the law to obstruct legally approved projects. That would include the Green Party of Canada.

If BC passed legislation that hurts Alberta and is deemed unconstitutional, then yes, there should be reparations.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 08:17:10 pm
If BC passed legislation that hurts Alberta and is deemed unconstitutional, then yes, there should be reparations.

The federal greens could already be in trouble on that score. Elizabeth May was arrested for violating a court order.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 17, 2019, 08:18:42 pm
The federal greens could already be in trouble on that score. Elizabeth May was arrested for violating a court order.

Not at all.  That would be a civil case.  Nothing like that has been started, as far as iím aware.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 08:23:12 pm
Not at all.  That would be a civil case.  Nothing like that has been started, as far as iím aware.

Kenney says he is still enacting the turn off the taps legislation on the 30th. The question is when and if he will use it. Shutting down the TM would have the BC economy on its knees in a week. It would take a lot longer to harm Alberta.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 17, 2019, 09:34:27 pm
Kenney says he is still enacting the turn off the taps legislation on the 30th. The question is when and if he will use it. Shutting down the TM would have the BC economy on its knees in a week. It would take a lot longer to harm Alberta.
We will get a chance to see if Trudeau can rise to the occasion be a leader that can broker a compromise or whether he is just going to continue to dither and hope the courts make the problem goes away.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 17, 2019, 10:09:53 pm
Kenney says he is still enacting the turn off the taps legislation on the 30th. The question is when and if he will use it. Shutting down the TM would have the BC economy on its knees in a week. It would take a lot longer to harm Alberta.

Important to note that enacting the legislation on the 30th doesn't mean that they'll start restricting permits on the 30th.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 17, 2019, 10:28:22 pm
When did Horgan ever say he wouldnít talk?  Reaction?  He got congratulated and an invitation to talk about the issues. 

Horgan might be willing to talk, but if the only thing he's willing to say is "no", then it'll be a short talk.  The BC government has participated in numerous court actions to stop the pipeline, BC argued his constitutional case before the courts last month to obtain the right to prevent bitumen from being shipped through the pipeline, and he's vowed to use "every tool in the toolbox" to stop the pipeline.  It doesn't really sound like he has much to talk about; could be a very brief conversation.

It would be completely unconstitutional for BC to stop Alberta from using the ports, obviously.   Despite the fact that this hasnít gone through the courts, even our resident pretend internet lawyer would say so.   

But BC will simply take Alberta to court, win, and get reparations.  Canít let bullies get their way.

We don't know that Alberta's law is unconstitutional.  If Horgan wins his constitutional case, it probably means that Alberta's law is constitutional as well.

If Horgan doesn't win his constitutional case, then his "toolbox" is probably out of tools and there's no reason for Kenney to retaliate against BC.

I am looking forward to less Alberta tourists with their slow RVs clogging up my roads...  threats of a BC boycott, blah, blah...   but there will be just as many Albertans vacationing in BC as ever...   they either vacation here, or move here.   Most of Kim City is populated by Albertans these days. 

It won't take a boycott to kill tourism; skyrocketing gas prices will do that on their own. Skyrocketing fuel costs are going to deeply cut into the profits of most of BC's other major industries too.

Maybe if there was more pipeline capacity from Alberta, and more refining capacity here in BC, we wouldn't be so dependent on buying gas from Washington state. Might be something for Vancouverites to consider next time they look at the gas station signs.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 17, 2019, 11:35:30 pm
Important to note that enacting the legislation on the 30th doesn't mean that they'll start restricting permits on the 30th.

 -k
I would be very surprised if they did. He said the legislation would be passed immediately, he never said when he might use it. Using it would be a huge escalation, it wouldnít be smart to rush into it.

It wonít just be Alberta tourism high gas prices will kill, it will keep Americans away as well unless they are just on their way to Alaska.

If B.C. wants more refining capacity and lower prices it will probably have to build its own refinery. I donít see an existing oil company spending billions on a new refinery just so they can get less money for their product. As long as the NDP and Greens are in power there is no chance of a refinery being built on B.C. soil anyway.



Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 18, 2019, 12:10:22 am
No one checks gas prices before they go on vacation...   ::)
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 18, 2019, 01:49:06 am
No one checks gas prices before they go on vacation...   ::)

Thanks for the expert analysis, TravelGuru.com.  ::)

Perhaps you and Mrs Squid and the little Squids aren't affected by fuel prices, but for most people it's a big factor. Especially for communities outside the Vancouver/Victoria area where everything arrives by road.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 18, 2019, 08:13:42 am
No one checks gas prices before they go on vacation...   ::)

Gas Buddy. You can check prices anywhere and yes they do.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 18, 2019, 08:15:52 am
Thanks for the expert analysis, TravelGuru.com.  ::)

Perhaps you and Mrs Squid and the little Squids aren't affected by fuel prices, but for most people it's a big factor. Especially for communities outside the Vancouver/Victoria area where everything arrives by road.

 -k

For people inside Vancouver, everything arrives by road. How do they think stuff gets to stores?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 18, 2019, 09:50:12 am
Not at all.  That would be a civil case.  Nothing like that has been started, as far as iím aware.
It is only a civil case because the BC government is refusing to prosecute criminally. This is one more example of the BC government obstructionism which more than justifies a more forceful response from Alberta.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 18, 2019, 10:01:51 am
Just looking at Gas Buddy. Calgary price for regular. 22 cents less than Kim City and 55 cents less than most of the GVRD. For someone with a 20 gallon US tank that is over $41 more to fill up in Vancouver than Calgary.
That hits everything that has to move into or around Vancouver other than by transit. Even then it drives up the cost of operating diesel busses.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: ?Impact on April 18, 2019, 01:26:52 pm
BC will convert to electric, and Alberta can import/export by air.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 18, 2019, 01:31:42 pm
BC will convert to electric, and Alberta can import/export by air.


Well if that is your attitude maybe Alberta should just shut down the Port of Vancouverís access to the RoC.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: ?Impact on April 18, 2019, 01:44:22 pm
Well if that is your attitude...

No, I am simply pointing out the attitude of several Albertans. It is funny however how quickly they arch their backs, roll back their ears, crouch, and stare when you put them in front of a mirror.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 18, 2019, 03:16:43 pm
No, I am simply pointing out the attitude of several Albertans. It is funny however how quickly they arch their backs, roll back their ears, crouch, and stare when you put them in front of a mirror.

And I am noticing a centre of the universe attitude from Vancouverites that we used to reserve for Toronto.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 18, 2019, 03:26:13 pm
And I am noticing a centre of the universe attitude from Vancouverites that we used to reserve for Toronto.
At least Toronto has a diverse economy that does not depend on laundering money for the Chinese.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 19, 2019, 02:14:22 pm
This is a very interesting blog post from a Langley writer who analyzes what "turn off the taps" really means in practice.  (https://achemistinlangley.net/2019/04/14/a-primer-on-the-bc-refined-fuel-market-lower-mainland-gasoline-prices-and-how-they-can-be-affected-by-a-change-in-mix-in-the-trans-mountain-pipeline/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) He breaks down the BC fuel market in terms of sources, supply, and consumption.

BC consumes around 192,000 barrels of gas and diesel per day, of which 67,000 is refined in BC and 100,000 comes through the Trans Mountain from Edmonton. The remainder is purchased from Washington state.  The portion purchased from the US comes from the supply in what's termed  the "PADD 5" region, which includes Washington, Oregon, and California.    PADD 5 has a shortage of supply of refined fuel products, and BC is bidding against California and Oregon in a seller's market.

He goes on to explain how Alberta could "game" the mix of products going through the Trans Mountain to signficantly cut back the amount of refined products going to BC while continuing to supply the Burnaby terminal, the Burnaby refinery, and the Washington state pipeline system with oil.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 19, 2019, 02:23:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/45hW9Vc.jpg)

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 19, 2019, 02:37:16 pm
This is a very interesting blog post from a Langley writer who analyzes what "turn off the taps" really means in practice.  (https://achemistinlangley.net/2019/04/14/a-primer-on-the-bc-refined-fuel-market-lower-mainland-gasoline-prices-and-how-they-can-be-affected-by-a-change-in-mix-in-the-trans-mountain-pipeline/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) He breaks down the BC fuel market in terms of sources, supply, and consumption.

BC consumes around 192,000 barrels of gas and diesel per day, of which 67,000 is refined in BC and 100,000 comes through the Trans Mountain from Edmonton. The remainder is purchased from Washington state.  The portion purchased from the US comes from the supply in what's termed  the "PADD 5" region, which includes Washington, Oregon, and California.    PADD 5 has a shortage of supply of refined fuel products, and BC is bidding against California and Oregon in a seller's market.

He goes on to explain how Alberta could "game" the mix of products going through the Trans Mountain to signficantly cut back the amount of refined products going to BC while continuing to supply the Burnaby terminal, the Burnaby refinery, and the Washington state pipeline system with oil.

 -k

Reality check BC.

I believe I may have posted this before but here it is again.

https://www.transmountain.com/product-destination
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: TimG on April 19, 2019, 02:50:39 pm
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Did any UCP politician make such a claim or is this just partisan propaganda?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 19, 2019, 03:59:00 pm
Did any UCP politician make such a claim or is this just partisan propaganda?

Here's something that is not partisan propaganda. One UPC politician, Mark Smith, said that "women who have abortions are murderers, and that homosexual love is not real love". Kenney was offered numerous opportunities during an interview with Charles Adler to walk that back but he chose not to. That should give you some sense of the cut of his jib.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 19, 2019, 07:58:11 pm
Here's something that is not partisan propaganda. One UPC politician, Mark Smith, said that "women who have abortions are murderers, and that homosexual love is not real love". Kenney was offered numerous opportunities during an interview with Charles Adler to walk that back but he chose not to. That should give you some sense of the cut of his jib.

Well, like it or not, Kenney is Premier for the next four years so we will have to wait and see whether all the dire predictions take place. Harper was supposed to be the worst thing since Attila the Hun and Genghis Kahn combined but like him or not, it didn't turn out that way.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 19, 2019, 08:06:02 pm
Well, like it or not, Kenney is Premier for the next four years so we will have to wait and see whether all the dire predictions take place. Harper was supposed to be the worst thing since Attila the Hun and Genghis Kahn combined but like him or not, it didn't turn out that way.

You are completely correct.

I remember when Liberals did the exact same thing to the Conservatives, during the run up to the 2006 Election. It backfired, and the Conservatives would be the ruling party for nearly a decade.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 19, 2019, 08:07:48 pm
Well, like it or not, Kenney is Premier for the next four years so we will have to wait and see whether all the dire predictions take place. Harper was supposed to be the worst thing since Attila the Hun and Genghis Kahn combined but like him or not, it didn't turn out that way.

We can always hope.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 19, 2019, 08:23:44 pm
We can always hope.

Hope for what? Kenney taking away rights of the most vulnerable citizens?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 19, 2019, 08:30:14 pm
Hope for what? Kenney taking away rights of the most vulnerable citizens?

We'll hold out hope he doesn't do just that. We really don't want to go down the abortion issue again for instance.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 19, 2019, 11:26:48 pm
We'll hold out hope he doesn't do just that. We really don't want to go down the abortion issue again for instance.

The SC has already dealt with that.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on April 20, 2019, 12:30:47 am
We'll hold out hope he doesn't do just that. We really don't want to go down the abortion issue again for instance.

Not going to happen.  It would be political suicide.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Omni on April 20, 2019, 12:49:34 am
The SC has already dealt with that.

They did in the sense they simply ripped a page out of the law book and left ti at that. Doesn't mean a political party couldn't strive to enact a new law.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 20, 2019, 08:23:51 am
They did in the sense they simply ripped a page out of the law book and left ti at that. Doesn't mean a political party couldn't strive to enact a new law.

In 1988 it ruled the abortion provision of the criminal code violated a womanís rights under the Charter. It will do the same to any new law.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Granny on April 22, 2019, 08:25:38 am
Could this be true?
https://pressprogress.ca/jason-kenneys-economic-policies-would-eliminate-more-jobs-than-2015-oil-crash-new-study-shows/
"Those cuts alone would directly reduce the provinceís GDP by 2.5%, and eliminate 27,700 public-sector jobs over four years. But Kenneyís $3.7 billion corporate giveaway wouldnít only gut public-sector jobs.

Mackenzie found the UCPís corporate-friendly fiscal platform would also lead to the elimination of 30,600 private sector jobs.

ďPublic sector spending is an economic stimulant,Ē Mackenzie told PressProgress. ďIn addition to the direct jobs created, that additional spending generates indirect economic gains.Ē
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Granny on September 15, 2019, 08:19:54 am
Jason Kenney's snitch line for ratting out tree huggers:
submissions@albertainquiry.ca

So I sent them a message:

Hi,

I'd like to hug a pipeline. Can you tell me where I can find one that is willing and not too demanding? I don't want any kinky stuff. I'm just a wholesome Christian pipeline hugger, not down with reverse pipelining or any leaky messy fluid stuff. I just love the feel of a strong pipeline in the morning when the dew is sparkling and the manly and virile pipeline-Daddy stretches as far as I can see. I crawl and lick and rub and .... ohohOHOHOHOHOHAAAAAHHHHHHHahahahahmmmmmm.

The fantasies are awesome ... but pleeeeeeeezzz I want real pipeline love ... more more more... ohohohohohOHOHOHOHOHAAAAAHHHHHHHahahahahmmmmmm

Oh pleeeezzzzz!!!

----------
Not the real me.
Somebody must have hacked my email!


Lol

Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on September 24, 2019, 12:58:31 pm
The courts have granted BC an injunction for the Alberta "turn off the taps" legislation until the issue can be settled by the courts.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/turn-off-the-taps-legislation-bc-suspended-1.5295354
Quote
The Federal Court has suspended Alberta's turn-off-the-taps legislation, tabled in part over the embattled Trans Mountain pipeline extension, granting British Columbia a temporary injunction blocking the law until the courts can decide whether it is valid.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Granny on October 14, 2019, 04:36:32 pm
More about the scope of Jason Kenney's albertainquiry.ca
(a) whether any foreign organization that has evinced an intent harmful or injurious to the Alberta oil and gas industry has provided financial assistance to a Canadian organization that has disseminated misleading or false information about the Alberta oil and gas industry;
(b) whether any Canadian organization referred to in clause (a) has also received grants or other discretionary funding from the government of Alberta, from municipal, provincial or territorial governments in Canada or from the Government of Canada;
(c) whether any Canadian organization referred to in clause (a) has charitable status in Canada.


I suppose Kenney can pull any Alberta funding for environmental groups.
Criticism of the Alberta oil and gas industry doesn't require "disseminating misleading or false information". The facts are enough.
So basically a $13m toothless paper tiger pretending to do something to satisfy his base. I can't imagine that much will come of it, since it all hinges on "misleading or false information".
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Granny on November 03, 2019, 01:28:48 pm
Jason Kenney's threat to hold a referendum on equalization:
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-jason-kenneys-proposed-referendum-is-so-puzzling/
But as far as threats go, the one that Jason Kenney has made about holding a referendum on removing equalization from the Constitution if Justin Trudeau doesnít make major progress on the Trans Mountain pipeline by 2021 is a head scratcher.

Justin Trudeau has, after all, already reaffirmed that his government intends to get TMX built, and trying to rush energy infrastructure projects through the regulatory and legal process has already blown up in Jason Kenneyís face when he was a federal minister. Itís also curious because Alberta cannot, on its own, compel the rest of the country to remove equalization from the Constitution any more than it can compel the Toronto Maple Leafs to give all their best players to the Calgary Flames.


I was puzzling about that too. It seems Kenney is blowing quite a bit of hot air, threatening things he cannot deliver. Why would he do that? He has said that he's committed to Alberta as part of Canada, and yet he also fans the 'wexit' flames by creating unreasonable expectations about what he and Albertans can do.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: JMT on November 04, 2019, 10:56:22 am
He knows most Albertans don't understand how equalization works, and don't actually want to.  They'd rather be angry.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on November 25, 2019, 12:41:27 am
Kenney is such a fkn jackass...   the manís an embarrassment. Politicizing the Grey Cup.   Hopefullly the CFL remembers this and doesnít go back until there is another NDP premier/Emperor of Alberta the province/country.

(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5ddb346a1f0000300edef544.jpeg?cache=Jxojb99Yjb&ops=scalefit_630_noupscale)
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on March 04, 2020, 10:22:43 pm
Even less reason to go to AB.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-park-funding-slashed-1.5484095

To save $5mil, the govít is closing 20 parks.

"My constituents and many Albertans across this province are struggling to be able to pay their mortgages and the luxury of comfort camping is not something that they want us to focus on," Jason Nixon told reporters.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: ?Impact on March 05, 2020, 01:52:59 pm
To save $5mil, the govít is closing 20 parks.

I like the idea of partnerships, but not with for-profit enterprises. There are plenty of local outdoors groups that would provide volunteer support, and could collect a modest fee to cover operating costs. Perhaps allow them to hire a limited number of staff, especially summer students, but minimize the high pay positions.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on March 05, 2020, 07:47:28 pm
I like the idea of partnerships, but not with for-profit enterprises. There are plenty of local outdoors groups that would provide volunteer support, and could collect a modest fee to cover operating costs. Perhaps allow them to hire a limited number of staff, especially summer students, but minimize the high pay positions.

The former BC government did a lot of partnerships. Operation of BC provincial park campsites is contracted out. As far as "luxury camping" goes. Let them stay in hotels!
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on March 05, 2020, 08:18:21 pm
The former BC government did a lot of partnerships. Operation of BC provincial park campsites is contracted out. As far as "luxury camping" goes. Let them stay in hotels!

BC Parks suck compared to how they used to be before the campsites were contracted out. 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on March 05, 2020, 10:21:18 pm
BC Parks suck compared to how they used to be before the campsites were contracted out.

Yup. Remember free firewood?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on March 06, 2020, 09:42:54 am
Yup. Remember free firewood?

Free firewood is the last thing on the list. 
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: MH on March 06, 2020, 12:45:42 pm
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/

Wait.  Alberta has a $6.8B deficit ??!
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on March 06, 2020, 07:23:10 pm
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/

Wait.  Alberta has a $6.8B deficit ??!

Umm...  yes.  Poor fiscal management.  If their taxes were like any other province, theyíd be in surplus.   Instead, they close parks.

The ironic part is that it will probably drive more Albertans to use BC parks, which are paid for by BC taxpayers.  Thatíís ok Albertans...  Címon over...   just maybe donít whine about BC when youíre here...
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: MH on March 06, 2020, 07:36:53 pm
How can they complain about the Federal deficit?  Even Ontario is smaller per capita
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on March 06, 2020, 07:54:06 pm
How can they complain about the Federal deficit?  Even Ontario is smaller per capita

1.  Cuz Trudeau or;
2.  Cuz Notley.

Or a combination.  Take your pick.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on March 06, 2020, 08:25:46 pm
Umm...  yes.  Poor fiscal management.  If their taxes were like any other province, theyíd be in surplus.   Instead, they close parks.

The ironic part is that it will probably drive more Albertans to use BC parks, which are paid for by BC taxpayers.  Thatíís ok Albertans...  Címon over...   just maybe donít whine about BC when youíre here...

BC parks are pretty much user pay. Up to $30 per night with no utilities. BC Parks reservation fee is $6 per night to a maximum of $18. Washington State uses the same reservation system and charges a flat rate of $8.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on March 07, 2020, 01:10:52 am
BC parks are pretty much user pay. Up to $30 per night with no utilities. BC Parks reservation fee is $6 per night to a maximum of $18. Washington State uses the same reservation system and charges a flat rate of $8.

Ok.  Good?
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 11, 2020, 12:00:08 am
Itís not that Kenney is completely untrustworthy and the smarmiest politician in the country...    itís just that people want to hear from an actual expert.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6802953/kenney-online-backlash-dr-deena-hinshaw-trending-on-twitter/amp/
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 14, 2020, 05:37:17 pm
Itís not that Kenney is completely untrustworthy and the smarmiest politician in the country...    itís just that people want to hear from an actual expert.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6802953/kenney-online-backlash-dr-deena-hinshaw-trending-on-twitter/amp/

It's not just that people want to hear from an expert. It's also that people don't appreciate Premier Pillsbury trying to score political points from this.

It's not very surprising that he would, of course.  He sees Trudeau and Trump getting popularity boosts as the crisis goes on, and he things "ok, how do I get some of that action?"

He sees Dr Hinshaw becoming a trusted, liked, and popular figure in the province, and he thinks "gee, I wish I was trusted, liked, and popular."  (It's not just Dr Hinshaw, either... I heard that Dr Henry here in BC has a Facebook fanclub dedicated to her shoe collection.  ??? )   Anyway, Kenney thinks "maybe if I was on TV delivering the COVID-19 news, maybe I'll get the same kind of boost that Trudeau and Trump and Dr Henry and Dr Hinshaw are getting! I'm a genius!"   Except that it just looks like a cynical ploy to boost his popularity.


(https://i.imgur.com/uylGmL5.png)


I heard that Dr Hinshaw's periodic table dress was such a hit on social media that the Vancouver company that made it has put it back into production.  Anyway, people seem to really like her. It's not surprising that Kenney got jealous and tried to horn in on her turf.  Sad, but not surprising.

(https://i.imgur.com/uyD4xp6.png)


 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: wilber on April 14, 2020, 10:28:32 pm
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He sees Dr Hinshaw becoming a trusted, liked, and popular figure in the province, and he thinks "gee, I wish I was trusted, liked, and popular."  (It's not just Dr Hinshaw, either... I heard that Dr Henry here in BC has a Facebook fanclub dedicated to her shoe collection.  ??? )   Anyway, Kenney thinks "maybe if I was on TV delivering the COVID-19 news, maybe I'll get the same kind of boost that Trudeau and Trump and Dr Henry and Dr Hinshaw are getting! I'm a genius!"   Except that it just looks like a cynical ploy to boost his popularity.

The irony is, the way Henry and Dix seem to be working together is confidence inspiring and making the government look good.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: kimmy on April 14, 2020, 11:57:03 pm
Politicians love being seen to be putting out fires.  If the can't been seen putting out fires, they'll settle for being photographed standing near a fire, holding a fire hose.

Kenney was also happy to be the guy announcing that Alberta is sharing its stockpile of ventilators and personal protection equipment with BC, Ontario, and Quebec.

In reality, Alberta's stockpile of PPE and ventilators exists because of sharp-eyed bureaucrats who acted way ahead of others:

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/columnists/david-staples-masterminds-behind-albertas-medical-supplies-surge-to-meet-covid-19-crisis/

Maybe next time Kenney is advocating for cuts to the civil service, he will remember the time that Jitendra Prasad let him look like a national hero.

 -k
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: queenmandy85 on April 23, 2020, 02:48:27 pm
It is ironic that the guy who thinks he knows more about public health than Doctor Tam flunked out of college as a Philosophy major.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: the_squid on April 24, 2020, 06:35:39 pm
Alberta tar sands mine denied by Alberta Supreme Court.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/298222/Top-court-overturns-Albetra-oilsands-mine-approval

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In 2001, the band began talks with the province to preserve Moose Lake and a 10-kilometre buffer zone around it. Former Alberta premier Jim Prentice signed a letter of intent with the band in 2015 and three years later Fort McKay thought it had a deal, although it was never ratified.

But that year, the Alberta Energy Regulator approved Prosper Petroleum's 10,000-barrel-a-day mine that would have come within two kilometres of the lakeshore.

It argued before the Appeal Court that its mandate forbids it from considering issues of Indigenous consultation. Nor could it consider deals not yet in force.

Not good enough, said the court.

"The public interest mandate can and should encompass considerations of the effect of a project on Aboriginal Peoples," wrote Justices Barbara Veldhuis and Jo'Anne Strekaf. "To preclude such considerations entirely takes an unreasonably narrow view of what comprises the public interest."

Greckol added the regulator was also wrong to say that cumulative effects of development are beyond its purview.

"The Crown has long been on notice that the piecemeal approach to addressing (the band's) concerns through consultation on individual projects has not adequately considered the cumulative effects of development."

In a statement, Prosper CEO Brad Gardiner said the ruling reflects problems with Alberta's energy regulation.

"This decision reflects a failure of the regulatory framework for the energy industry and a failure of the Crown to address the concerns of Fort McKay First Nation. These issues need to be addressed by the government."
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 24, 2020, 07:19:54 pm
Jason Kenney is a douchey blowhard and has always been such.
Title: Re: Alberta provincial election
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 24, 2020, 08:51:38 pm
For some reason, when on video on twitter wishing Muslims in Alberta best wishes for Ramadan, she's doing so while wearing a hijab.  She's not in a mosque, she's in her office.  What a weird thing to do.  I also know several Muslim women who practice but don't wear any head coverings.

https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/status/1253433373093052416