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Title: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on March 07, 2019, 04:18:13 pm
There are nearly 400,000 Jews in Canada.  A small but significant amount. Canada now has arguably the third largest Jewish population in the World after the USA and Israel.  At one time France and Russia both had large Jewish populations, but most Jews left the former Soviet Union in the he 90s. France may have the 3rd highest Jewish population but there has been a big exodus from the country due to anti-Semitism.

Largest Jewish communities:

Toronto 185,000
Montreal 95,000
Vancouver 30,000
Winnipeg 14,000
Ottawa 13,000
Calgary 8,000
Edmonton 5,000
Hamilton 5,000

Hopefully Canada can attract more Jews in the coming years.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Goddess on March 07, 2019, 04:43:24 pm

Hopefully Canada can attract more Jews in the coming years.

The same thing will happen to them here in Canada, as what's happening to them in France.  We have already shown that we will not stand up to Islamic extremists.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/anti-semitism-drove-these-jews-out-of-france/
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Goddess on March 07, 2019, 04:46:56 pm
On the other hand, at least SOME people are waking up to realize that what's happening to Jews in Europe is REAL. 

Up til now, SOME have contended that there is no crisis for Jews in Europe and it is all just fake news, designed to make Islam look bad.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 07, 2019, 04:54:01 pm
We need fewer Jews, not more.  We also need fewer Christians, Muslims and Sikhs too. 

Religion poisons everything.

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/04/religion-poisons-everything.html

There are four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum of servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on March 07, 2019, 05:31:14 pm
We need less Jews, not more.  We also need less Christians, Muslims and Sikhs too. 

Religion poisons everything.

Hate solves nothing.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: TimG on March 07, 2019, 05:42:46 pm
Religion poisons everything.
Extremism poisons everything whether it is motivated by god or ideology. Most religious people I know personally are a lot less attached to irrational dogma than your typical environmentalist.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 07, 2019, 05:57:43 pm
Extremism poisons everything whether it is motivated by god or ideology. Most religious people I know personally are a lot less attached to irrational dogma than your typical environmentalist.

TimG turns a topic to his anti-climate change conspiracy nonsense once again.   Thanks TimG.   ::)
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: TimG on March 07, 2019, 06:09:59 pm
TimG turns a topic to his anti-climate change conspiracy nonsense once again.
You are the one who started whinging about religious people. Religion and environmentalism are exactly the same. If you can't see that it is because you lack self awareness. Calling me a "denier" because of my complex positions on climate change is no more rational than a Muslim calling me an infidel.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: MH on March 07, 2019, 06:25:25 pm
We need less Jews, not more.  We also need less Christians, Muslims and Sikhs too. 
 

The word is 'fewer'
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: MH on March 07, 2019, 06:26:23 pm
On the other hand, at least SOME people are waking up to realize that what's happening to Jews in Europe is REAL. 

Up til now, SOME have contended that there is no crisis for Jews in Europe and it is all just fake news, designed to make Islam look bad.

I haven't heard either version of this.  Do you have a cite ?
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: cybercoma on March 08, 2019, 10:02:39 am
Extremism poisons everything whether it is motivated by god or ideology. Most religious people I know personally are a lot less attached to irrational dogma than your typical environmentalist.
Every. ****. Thread.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Omni on March 08, 2019, 11:13:44 am
You are the one who started whinging about religious people. Religion and environmentalism are exactly the same. If you can't see that it is because you lack self awareness. Calling me a "denier" because of my complex positions on climate change is no more rational than a Muslim calling me an infidel.

There is a slight difference actually; climate/environmental science is based on...wait for it...science. Religion? not so much.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: TimG on March 08, 2019, 12:15:39 pm
There is a slight difference actually; climate/environmental science is based on...wait for it...science. Religion? not so much.
Environmentalists use science as prop when it affirms their existing beliefs. An environmentalist will never change their opinion simply because scientific research says something else. Examples, include GMOs, organic farming, nuclear power, pesticides, and others. When an environmentalist encounters scientific research that refutes their beliefs they will ignore it or claim it is corporate/government conspiracy. When given a choice between expensive symbols and pragmatic solutions environmentalist most often choose the expensive symbols because it is not about reason or logic - it is about emotion and feeling.

IOW - environmentalism is indistinguishable from a religious belief system. But I don't expect people like you to understand anymore than I would expect a Christian to understand that Jesus was not real.

Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Omni on March 08, 2019, 12:24:15 pm
Environmentalists use science as prop when it affirms their existing beliefs. An environmentalist will never change their opinion simply because scientific research says something else. Examples, include GMOs, organic farming, nuclear power, pesticides, and others. When an environmentalist encounters scientific research that refutes their beliefs they will ignore it or claim it is corporate/government conspiracy. When given a choice between expensive symbols and pragmatic solutions environmentalist most often choose the expensive symbols because it is not about reason or logic - it is about emotion and feeling.

IOW - environmentalism is indistinguishable from a religious belief system. But I don't expect people like you to understand anymore than I would expect a Christian to understand that Jesus was not real.

You seem confused, but we are getting into thread drift so I'll let you take it to the appropriate thread.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Goddess on March 08, 2019, 12:48:05 pm
I haven't heard either version of this.  Do you have a cite ?

I tried to discuss this here and on the other site.  I provided many links to articles and quotes from books written on this very subject.  Each time I was shut down by people who said that what is going on in Europe is fake news and they poo-poo'ed every incident of anti-semitism in France that I cited.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on March 08, 2019, 12:57:17 pm
I tried to discuss this here and on the other site.  I provided many links to articles and quotes from books written on this very subject.  Each time I was shut down by people who said that what is going on in Europe is fake news and they poo-poo'ed every incident of anti-semitism in France that I cited.

I have found people with left leaning political affiliations tend to be more anti-Semitic than ones that lean right of centre on the political spectrum.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 08, 2019, 01:36:53 pm
I tried to discuss this here and on the other site.  I provided many links to articles and quotes from books written on this very subject.  Each time I was shut down by people who said that what is going on in Europe is fake news and they poo-poo'ed every incident of anti-semitism in France that I cited.

I'm guessing, without actually seeing any sources, that you quoted alt-right nonsense. 

But, I will stand to be corrected.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: TimG on March 08, 2019, 01:42:03 pm
I'm guessing, without actually seeing any sources, that you quoted alt-right nonsense. 

But, I will stand to be corrected.
Alt-right sources like the NYT? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/opinion/corbyn-berger-anti-semitism.html
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Goddess on March 08, 2019, 01:57:03 pm
I'm guessing, without actually seeing any sources, that you quoted alt-right nonsense. 

But, I will stand to be corrected.

Some people reject information no matter where it comes from.  I posted the numbers of Jews leaving France (and other countries) and I posted the urgings of Jewish Defense Leagues and the Israeli government who also recommended that it was getting too dangerous for Jews in Europe.

It was all rejected.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 08, 2019, 02:56:27 pm
Alt-right sources like the NYT? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/opinion/corbyn-berger-anti-semitism.html

A cite from TimG???   I take it back...  there IS a god!!!

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I read the op-ed...  seems to blame the Labour leader as being antisemitic, but gave no examples...   I came away from the article not knowing anything about Corbin痴 antisemitic behaviour.  Not a great read.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 08, 2019, 03:06:36 pm
Some people reject information no matter where it comes from.  I posted the numbers of Jews leaving France (and other countries) and I posted the urgings of Jewish Defense Leagues and the Israeli government who also recommended that it was getting too dangerous for Jews in Europe.

It was all rejected.

Do you think there are less, the same or more discrimination against Muslims? 

Seems, in Canada at least, that Muslims are often the target of bigotry and hatred...   

But, then again, maybe I just haven稚 heard of much antisemitism lately for whatever reason.

I do know that if we had fewer Muslims and Christians, antisemitism would probably decrease...   and if we had fewer Christians and Jews, then the anti-Muslim nonsense would likely be less.  We would also be further ahead in things like stem cell research...   the anti-abortion (anti-woman) nonsense would be lessened...  there would be less excuse to be completely ignorant about the world around us and the Cosmos in general (looking at you whacky creationists...).  Religion poisons everything.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Omni on March 08, 2019, 03:12:54 pm
Do you think there are less, the same or more discrimination against Muslims? 

Seems, in Canada at least, that Muslims are often the target of bigotry and hatred...   

But, then again, maybe I just haven稚 heard of much antisemitism lately for whatever reason.

I do know that if we had fewer Muslims and Christians, antisemitism would probably decrease...   and if we had fewer Christians and Jews, then the anti-Muslim nonsense would likely be less.  We would also be further ahead in things like stem cell research...   the anti-abortion (anti-woman) nonsense would be lessened...  there would be less excuse to be completely ignorant about the world around us and the Cosmos in general (looking at you whacky creationists...).  Religion poisons everything.

Ole Betsy from mlw will be out to get you.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on March 08, 2019, 03:31:53 pm
Do you think there are less, the same or more discrimination against Muslims? 

Seems, in Canada at least, that Muslims are often the target of bigotry and hatred...   

But, then again, maybe I just haven稚 heard of much antisemitism lately for whatever reason.

I do know that if we had fewer Muslims and Christians, antisemitism would probably decrease...   and if we had fewer Christians and Jews, then the anti-Muslim nonsense would likely be less.  We would also be further ahead in things like stem cell research...   the anti-abortion (anti-woman) nonsense would be lessened...  there would be less excuse to be completely ignorant about the world around us and the Cosmos in general (looking at you whacky creationists...).  Religion poisons everything.

French, Irish, Jewish, Japanese, etc. They have all faced discrimination in Canada at one point or another. Muslims are the only group where a small yet significant % wants us to adapt to their way of life (Sharia Law). No other cultural group has plotted terrorist attacks against Canada.

Many will find my comments extreme, but then again if social media had existed in the 30s, many would be dismissive of any criticism of the Third Reich. Ironic that Churchill himself was one of the first people to speak openly against Hitler and Islam as threats to Western democracy
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: TimG on March 08, 2019, 03:34:42 pm
I read the op-ed...  seems to blame the Labour leader as being antisemitic, but gave no examples...   I came away from the article not knowing anything about Corbin痴 antisemitic behaviour.  Not a great read.
Well there are other sources with more specifics but the general point is Corbyn has created a Labour Party where anti-Jew sentiment is acceptable even if many of the conversations are private. This was one of the factors listed by the 7 MPs who recently quit Labour:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47278902

I think it is a lot of evidence for those willing to look that anti-Semitic sentiment is on the rise in Europe and a lot of it is coming from the left and not the far right who are more concerned about Muslim right now.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 08, 2019, 03:55:53 pm
Well there are other sources with more specifics but the general point is Corbyn has created a Labour Party where anti-Jew sentiment is acceptable even if many of the conversations are private. This was one of the factors listed by the 7 MPs who recently quit Labour:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47278902

I think it is a lot of evidence for those willing to look that anti-Semitic sentiment is on the rise in Europe and a lot of it is coming from the left and not the far right who are more concerned about Muslim right now.

I haven't seen anything convincing that Corbyn is antisemitic....   seems a lot of these people equate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism. 

I agree that antisemitism is on the rise in parts of Europe.  The left though?  That's your right-wing wet-dream... the left-wing boogeyman!!   All the sources I have read have cited a rise in right-wing groups and the recent Muslim immigrant increases are to blame.

Quote
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/15/antisemitism-rising-sharply-across-europe-latest-figures-show

Antisemitism is rising sharply across Europe, experts have said, as France reported a 74% increase in the number of offences against Jews last year and Germany said the number of violent antisemitic attacks had surged by more than 60%.
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A combination of factors seem to be to blame. In the past two decades, antisemitic attacks in Europe have generally peaked in line with tensions in the Middle East. 典hey were essentially the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, imported, said Marc Knobel, a historian at the Crif umbrella group for France痴 Jewish organisations. 迭ather than attacking Israelis, people went for Jews.

But since early last year, said Fr馘駻ic Potier of the French government痴 anti-racism and antisemitism body Dilcrah, more traditional forms of antisemitism have re-emerged. 展e are witnessing the resurgence of a virulent, far-right identity politics that does not hesitate to put its beliefs into action, Potier told Le Monde.

Knobel said the taboos around antisemitism 塗ad all but disappeared, pointing to the re-emergence of longstanding antisemitic tropes involving Jews and money. In France, for example, he told Lib駻ation, the fact that Macron previously worked for the Rothschild merchant bank had 吐uelled a load of rumours.

Experts describe a 菟erfect storm for antisemitic attacks combining the increasing influence of far-right groups and governments; the rise of conspiracy theories about a supposed global Zionist plot (and the scale on which they circulate on social media); and a general increase in the violence of public discourse.
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A large influx of mostly Muslim refugees and migrants to Germany from 2015 has also led to a rise in antisemitic attacks by migrants from Arab states, although figures show an overwhelming majority of violence against Jews is perpetrated by far-right supporters. 溺ilitant rightwing extremists are now openly calling for the desecration of Jewish institutions and attacks against Jewish people, Pau said.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: TimG on March 08, 2019, 07:25:43 pm
I haven't seen anything convincing that Corbyn is antisemitic....   seems a lot of these people equate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
7 MPs quiting and with one saying:

>> Ms Berger said Labour had become institutionally anti-Semitic and she was "embarrassed and ashamed" to stay.

If that is not enough evidence to demonstrate a problem then you are being willfully obtuse. Keep in mind those words are said by Labour MPs who still care about all the issues the left wing politicians care about.

As for France, perhaps the issue depends a lot on the county.

The argument that "I am not anti-Jewish, I just think the Jewish state should not exist." does not resonate with me so I tend to view most of the arguments against the Israeli state to be covers for anti Semitism even if it is driven from the left wing bigotry against racial groups deemed to have "privilege" rather that a specific animosity towards Jews.

That said, if someone really wants to criticize the actions of the Israeli state without descending into anti Semitism then one has to first acknowledge that the Palestinians are not innocent bystanders and acknowledge the legitimate security concerns which Israel has. Almost no left wing anti-Israel type is willing to do this and instead simply demonizes Israel and Jews for beating up in "innocent" Palestinians. The latter is anti-Semitism especially when you consider that the same people routinely ignore much greater abuses in non-Jewish states.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 08, 2019, 08:46:17 pm
Let's all be damn glad Canada isn't a short boat-ride from the middle east like France is.  3 oceans and the USA are the best neighbours in the world.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on March 09, 2019, 01:25:53 am
Unbelievably, antisemitism is on the rise in Germany:

The 21-year-old victim of an anti-Semitic attack on the streets of Berlin has told German media that, despite the fact that he was wearing a traditional Jewish skullcap, he was not Jewish, but an Israeli Arab wearing the kippa as an experiment.

"I'm not Jewish, I'm an Israeli, I grew up in Israel in an Arab family," the man told German broadcaster Deutsche Welle.

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He was conducting what he termed an "experiment" in response to a warning from a friend that wearing a kippa in Germany was unsafe, saying he refused to believe this.

An interview by Israeli broadcaster Kann identified the 21-year-old as Israeli Adam Armoush and showed that he was slightly injured by the belt.

"They kept cursing us and my friend asked them to stop cursing," Armoush told Kan TV. "They started to get angry and one of them ran to me and I knew it was important to film it because there would be no way to catch him by the time police arrived."


(https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/graph/png/Antisemitism_in_21st_century_Germany/0/c81ccf56d6bf977b3c0861a6ec824934997ef235.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBbnwvbUgxA

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/jewish-man-attacked-in-germany-admits-he-s-an-israeli-arab-1.6012220
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: MH on March 09, 2019, 09:25:54 am
I have found people with left leaning political affiliations tend to be more anti-Semitic than ones that lean right of centre on the political spectrum.

How so ?
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on March 09, 2019, 12:22:29 pm
How so ?

In my experiences in real life. Many on the left have trouble distinguishing the country of Israel, and Jews in general. It's a clever way of being anti-Semitic, and having the ability to deny it and claim one is referring to Israel. There was a documentary of blatantly anti-Semitic incidents at Concordia university around 2002.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYUVsDfapb8
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: MH on March 10, 2019, 10:21:56 am
In my experiences in real life. Many on the left have trouble distinguishing the country of Israel, and Jews in general. 

It sounds like you are saying that they are anti-Semites who are using criticism of Israel as an excuse.  It would be hard to prove that, as you are asking to look in someone's heart and see their true intentions.  My liberal Jewish friends are publishing articles saying that criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism.

I don't criticize Israel publicly, precisely because people like you might mistake me for being an anti-Semite. 
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 10, 2019, 10:55:08 am
You have far-right neo-nazi types or **** Muslims who are anti-Semites, you also have the mainstream right who are usually the most ardent supporters of Israel (Stephen Harper, Trump, W. Bush etc.).

You have far-left types who despise Israel as evil oppressors and are anti-zionist etc.  Then you have the mainstream left who will often criticize Israeli policies but don't have anything against Jews.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on March 10, 2019, 11:15:22 am
It sounds like you are saying that they are anti-Semites who are using criticism of Israel as an excuse.  It would be hard to prove that, as you are asking to look in someone's heart and see their true intentions.  My liberal Jewish friends are publishing articles saying that criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism.

I don't criticize Israel publicly, precisely because people like you might mistake me for being an anti-Semite.

I never criticized you as being anti-Semitic. It would depend on what context you criticise Israel. From my experiences, the moderates who are critical of some Israeli policies are usually eclipsed bymore vocal critics of Israel who actually cannot seperate the two

One wonders why Canadians are even pointing the finger at Israel when Canada has done much worse to our Indigenous peoples. Seems like a deflection method.

Instead of judging foreign countries, we as Canadians may want to take a good hard look at ourselves. We're no angels.
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 16, 2019, 12:28:31 pm
Hey check it out guys, i found literally the dumbest news article about jews in canada in the history of newsmedia!:

https://torontosun.com/2017/10/04/trudeau-erases-jews-from-the-holocaust-again/wcm/5961a79b-1c4a-4438-a2b3-9c7ab3eee871#comments

Clearly, Trudeau is an antisemite holocaust denier who hates jews! [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Jewish population of Canada
Post by: MH on March 16, 2019, 10:39:46 pm
They just did the same thing to Scheer though so... what's good for the Jew-hating Goose is good for the Islamaphobic Gander.