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Title: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on January 31, 2019, 09:44:40 am
It's fast approaching. It could get interesting. My team, the Winnipeg Jets picked up Paul Stastny last season, and he made the perfect #2C, and was an integral part of the Jets run to the Conference Final. This year, the Jets again find themselves in need of a #2C. What will the Jets do to gear up for the post season? Only time will tell.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on January 31, 2019, 10:49:21 am
Love to see the Canucks get a top pick, they have never had a#1 and I think the only time they had a #2 was their first year. Every time they get in a lottery they lose out end end up picking lower than they finished.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: guest18 on January 31, 2019, 11:04:31 am
It must be comforting though that Petterson would surely be drafted first in a 2017 redraft. That's really all that matters.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on January 31, 2019, 11:17:59 am
Love to see the Canucks get a top pick, they have never had a#1 and I think the only time they had a #2 was their first year. Every time they get in a lottery they lose out end end up picking lower than they finished.

The Canucks had the #2 pick in 1999. They traded up to get the #3 pick as the Sedin twins wanted to play together.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on January 31, 2019, 11:24:21 am
It must be comforting though that Petterson would surely be drafted first in a 2017 redraft. That's really all that matters.

I was hoping to have Petterson for my draft pool, but ended up with Dahlin, in terms of rookies.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on January 31, 2019, 01:09:06 pm
The Canucks had the #2 pick in 1999. They traded up to get the #3 pick as the Sedin twins wanted to play together.
So two #2 picks in 49 years and no #1's
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: guest18 on January 31, 2019, 01:22:51 pm
I think everybody would rather have the guy who turns out to be the real #1 pick once he starts playing in the NHL (e.g., Petterson) than the actual #1 pick. Remember Nail Yakupov.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on January 31, 2019, 02:31:36 pm
I think everybody would rather have the guy who turns out to be the real #1 pick once he starts playing in the NHL (e.g., Petterson) than the actual #1 pick. Remember Nail Yakupov.

I agree, Edmonton has had four #1's in the last nine years. Some good players but other than McDavid, how would you rate them. Pavel Bure was picked #113 but it would be nice to have a #1 in a good draft year, just once. Every time Vancouver gets in a draft lottery it seems to wind up worse than if it drafted according to where it finished.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on January 31, 2019, 04:12:30 pm
I think everybody would rather have the guy who turns out to be the real #1 pick once he starts playing in the NHL (e.g., Petterson) than the actual #1 pick. Remember Nail Yakupov.

Edmonton: the place where #1 picks go to die.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on January 31, 2019, 06:13:10 pm
I agree, Edmonton has had four #1's in the last nine years. Some good players but other than McDavid, how would you rate them. Pavel Bure was picked #113 but it would be nice to have a #1 in a good draft year, just once. Every time Vancouver gets in a draft lottery it seems to wind up worse than if it drafted according to where it finished.

Interesting story about Pavel Bure, is that the Jets,Oilers,and Red Wings wanted to draft him in 1989, but we're told he was ineligible. The Canucks drafted him anyway, and founder documents that showed Bure had played in enough National team games to be drafted. Several clubs filed complaints with the league over Bure's status, but to no avail.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: waldo on February 01, 2019, 02:44:28 pm
Edmonton: the place where #1 picks go to die.

pleeeese! I believe this board aspires to troll-free posting. One #1 that didn't meet expectations/promise doesn't qualify your statement.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on February 01, 2019, 03:47:49 pm
Interesting story about Pavel Bure, is that the Jets,Oilers,and Red Wings wanted to draft him in 1989, but we're told he was ineligible. The Canucks drafted him anyway, and founder documents that showed Bure had played in enough National team games to be drafted. Several clubs filed complaints with the league over Bure's status, but to no avail.

The Canucks took a gamble and it payed off.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 01, 2019, 06:57:18 pm
pleeeese! I believe this board aspires to troll-free posting. One #1 that didn't meet expectations/promise doesn't qualify your statement.

It isn't trolling when the majority of Edmontonians feel the exact same way. Ask any Oilers fan what he feels about management since Katz bought the team in 2008. Die hard Oilers fans didn't plaster the city with billboards demanding a change in management to troll.

Stick to a subject you have knowledge about, Waldo.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: waldo on February 02, 2019, 05:08:16 am
It isn't trolling when the majority of Edmontonians feel the exact same way. Ask any Oilers fan what he feels about management since Katz bought the team in 2008. Die hard Oilers fans didn't plaster the city with billboards demanding a change in management to troll.

Stick to a subject you have knowledge about, Waldo.

ya, ya - your Trumpian use of superlatives/exaggeration has (already) been noted! But hey now, to your referenced 2008/Katz ownership and Oiler fans, how many games haven't been sellouts?  ;D

so... just what is your benchmark reference(s) for "#1 picks going to die"? Historically, there's no shortage of #1 picks that haven't met expectations... if you knew anything about the sport, you'd know that the Yakupov pick can't be attributed to a management want - that's entirely on Katz as he's the guy who pushed for him. If you want to whine about owners over-stepping management domain, that's another discussion; one that doesn't align with/support your current diatribe.

wait now, are you speaking to #1 picks being paid huuuuge/bigly in their death marches? (note the waldo use of Trumpian language in an attempt to bond)! Are you talking about the generational #1 pick... cause you're using a very short duration to measure anything on that pick - notwithstanding what the long-term signing of McDavid has meant in terms of cap implications. Being the neophyte you clearly are, would you like the waldo to explain the salary cap to you - and the implications of what bumping up against the cap means/influences? So you're down to 2 #1 picks to attempt to rationalize your nonsense... please proceed to explain your puffery - please proceed, governor!
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Michael Hardner on February 02, 2019, 06:08:07 am
Trump appears in an NHL thread ! :D
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on February 02, 2019, 09:27:46 am
ya, ya - your Trumpian use of superlatives/exaggeration has (already) been noted! But hey now, to your referenced 2008/Katz ownership and Oiler fans, how many games haven't been sellouts?  ;D

so... just what is your benchmark reference(s) for "#1 picks going to die"? Historically, there's no shortage of #1 picks that haven't met expectations... if you knew anything about the sport, you'd know that the Yakupov pick can't be attributed to a management want - that's entirely on Katz as he's the guy who pushed for him. If you want to whine about owners over-stepping management domain, that's another discussion; one that doesn't align with/support your current diatribe.

wait now, are you speaking to #1 picks being paid huuuuge/bigly in their death marches? (note the waldo use of Trumpian language in an attempt to bond)! Are you talking about the generational #1 pick... cause you're using a very short duration to measure anything on that pick - notwithstanding what the long-term signing of McDavid has meant in terms of cap implications. Being the neophyte you clearly are, would you like the waldo to explain the salary cap to you - and the implications of what bumping up against the cap means/influences? So you're down to 2 #1 picks to attempt to rationalize your nonsense... please proceed to explain your puffery - please proceed, governor!

Edmonton has had four #1’s in the last nine years. Vancouver has had zero in it’s 49 year history. Poor bloody Edmonton, the burden must be crippling.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 02, 2019, 09:47:14 am
ya, ya - your Trumpian use of superlatives/exaggeration has (already) been noted! But hey now, to your referenced 2008/Katz ownership and Oiler fans, how many games haven't been sellouts?  ;D

so... just what is your benchmark reference(s) for "#1 picks going to die"? Historically, there's no shortage of #1 picks that haven't met expectations... if you knew anything about the sport, you'd know that the Yakupov pick can't be attributed to a management want - that's entirely on Katz as he's the guy who pushed for him. If you want to whine about owners over-stepping management domain, that's another discussion; one that doesn't align with/support your current diatribe.

wait now, are you speaking to #1 picks being paid huuuuge/bigly in their death marches? (note the waldo use of Trumpian language in an attempt to bond)! Are you talking about the generational #1 pick... cause you're using a very short duration to measure anything on that pick - notwithstanding what the long-term signing of McDavid has meant in terms of cap implications. Being the neophyte you clearly are, would you like the waldo to explain the salary cap to you - and the implications of what bumping up against the cap means/influences? So you're down to 2 #1 picks to attempt to rationalize your nonsense... please proceed to explain your puffery - please proceed, governor!

Calm down.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 02, 2019, 09:59:22 am
Edmonton has had four #1’s in the last nine years. Vancouver has had zero in it’s 49 year history. Poor bloody Edmonton, the burden must be crippling.

I've always liked the Oilers, but their management is **** poor for the past decade. It is a shame Katz has ran that once proud franchise into the ground.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on February 02, 2019, 11:13:51 am
I've always liked the Oilers, but their management is **** poor for the past decade. It is a shame Katz has ran that once proud franchise into the ground.

I lived in Edmonton for several years during the Oiler's pre Gretzky WHL days and have been somewhat of a fan since. They sure have been an under performing franchise for some time. Oh well, makes it less depressing to be a Canucks fan.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: waldo on February 02, 2019, 12:39:45 pm
Edmonton has had four #1’s in the last nine years. Vancouver has had zero in it’s 49 year history. Poor bloody Edmonton, the burden must be crippling.

accommodating waldo: the waldo neither spoke of or implied anything burdensome (crippling or otherwise)... please take solace in having the waldo provide you an avenue to vent your noted historical pent-up Canucks frustration - 0 cups/49 years versus the Oilers 5 cups/40 years!
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: waldo on February 02, 2019, 12:40:27 pm
Calm down.

calm waldo simply responded to your pissant troll... seeing you unable/unwilling to answer subsequent questions/challenge to your, "#1 picks going to die" shyte is noted.

I've always liked the Oilers, but their management is **** poor for the past decade. It is a shame Katz has ran that once proud franchise into the ground.

being the neophyte you appear as, management also entails amateur/pro scouting as well as development team(s) - the Oilers now have a most legitimate tally of players in the pipeline. Apparently you're unaware of the Katz role in keeping the franchise in Edmonton while being the driver behind the current #1 ranked 'state-of-the art' arena... notwithstanding (also driving) the most significant revitalization of Edmonton's downtown core.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 02, 2019, 12:45:13 pm
calm waldo simply responded to your pissant troll... seeing you unable/unwilling to answer subsequent questions/challenge to your, "#1 picks going to die" shyte is noted.

being the neophyte you appear as, management also entails amateur/pro scouting as well as development team(s) - the Oilers now have a most legitimate tally of players in the pipeline. Apparently you're unaware of the Katz role in keeping the franchise in Edmonton while being the driver behind the current #1 ranked 'state-of-the art' arena... notwithstanding (also driving) the most significant revitalization of Edmonton's downtown core.

I love you too Waldo.  :-*
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on February 02, 2019, 12:47:06 pm
accommodating waldo: the waldo neither spoke of or implied anything burdensome (crippling or otherwise)... please take solace in having the waldo provide you an avenue to vent your noted historical pent-up Canucks frustration - 0 cups/49 years versus the Oilers 5 cups/40 years!

You went on about struggles with the salary cap. They have the same cap as every other team and with all those #1 picks it isn't like they had nothing to trade. Cry me a river.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 02, 2019, 12:55:37 pm
the Oilers now have a most legitimate tally of players in the pipeline.[quote/]

Even if this was true, the Oilers have a history of mismanaging their talent.

 
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Apparently you're unaware of the Katz role in keeping the franchise in Edmonton while being the driver behind the current #1 ranked 'state-of-the art' arena... notwithstanding (also driving) the most significant revitalization of Edmonton's downtown core.

First off, the Oilers were never in danger of moving. Katz have the Investors Group an offer they could not refuse to buy the team. Second of all, I guess you must be unaware of the tactics Katz used to push his arena bid through. It's not like Katz was some kind of Saint that built the new Edmonton arena out of the goodness of his heart. He used pressure tactics to extract a sweetheart deal out of the City of Edmonton to construct the facility.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 02, 2019, 01:00:03 pm
Trump appears in an NHL thread ! :D

I follow him on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/trump_nhl/status/1091732332514607104?s=20
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Omni on February 02, 2019, 01:04:26 pm
I follow him on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/trump_nhl/status/1091732332514607104?s=20

That must keep you busy 'round the clock.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: waldo on February 02, 2019, 01:05:26 pm
You went on about struggles with the salary cap. They have the same cap as every other team and with all those #1 picks it isn't like they had nothing to trade. Cry me a river.

no - I spoke to cap hit influences (but didn't directly speak to the significant impact of recent, for example, long-term McDavid/Draisaitl signings)... does railing on about Oiler management ignore key signings like those? Speaking of: you should be the guy speaking to why the Canucks have not been playing to the cap; why they have a current cap space of ~ 29 million/projected cap space of ~$10 million. Geezaz, are you waiting for a big buy at the trade deadline... will the Canucks 'fish or cut bait'?  ;D
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: waldo on February 02, 2019, 01:13:01 pm
First off, the Oilers were never in danger of moving. Katz have the Investors Group an offer they could not refuse to buy the team. Second of all, I guess you must be unaware of the tactics Katz used to push his arena bid through. It's not like Katz was some kind of Saint that built the new Edmonton arena out of the goodness of his heart. He used pressure tactics to extract a sweetheart deal out of the City of Edmonton to construct the facility.

no - you're the one repeatedly slamin' poor Katz! Absolutely, the Oilers would have moved... without a new arena - which included the legitimate Katz "implied" threats to move the team to Seattle. By the by, have you heard: Seattle was just awarded a new team franchise - go figure! Being you extol the virtues of bidnessMan Trump, why so down on Katz, hey?  ;D
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 02, 2019, 01:50:03 pm
That must keep you busy 'round the clock.

Your girlfriend keeps me busy around the clock, but that's neither here nor there.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Omni on February 02, 2019, 01:54:05 pm
Your girlfriend keeps me busy around the clock, but that's neither here nor there.

Your red neck is glowing.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 02, 2019, 02:48:37 pm
Just checked the NHL standings, and my Jets are 33-16-2, first in the Central and three points behind the Flames for Conference leaders with a game in hand. It will be interesting to see if Chevy has any Aces up his sleeve, and can land us a solid 2nd line Centre. We could certainly use someone who can set up Laine.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on February 02, 2019, 06:03:19 pm
no - I spoke to cap hit influences (but didn't directly speak to the significant impact of recent, for example, long-term McDavid/Draisaitl signings)... does railing on about Oiler management ignore key signings like those? Speaking of: you should be the guy speaking to why the Canucks have not been playing to the cap; why they have a current cap space of ~ 29 million/projected cap space of ~$10 million. Geezaz, are you waiting for a big buy at the trade deadline... will the Canucks 'fish or cut bait'?  ;D

I don't know about the Canuck's cap space but they will have some big bills when Boeser's and Petterson's rookie contracts expire. Right now they are looking pretty good, tied for a wild card spot when they were a unanimous pick to finish last in the west. Which of course could still happen but they are a fun team to watch these days. They have some gaps to fill in but no need to panic.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 03, 2019, 02:07:48 am
Good news, everyone!

Corey Perry, the cheap-shot artist from Anaheim made his season debut tonight by firing a puck in practice at two Jets players, then attempted to injure Jets star defenseman Josh Morrissey.  Did the Jets retaliate with dirty tactics?  Of course not!  The Jets lit up the Ducks with six straight goals, in a 9-3 rout of Anaheim.

The Jets are now one point back of the Calgary Flames for the #1 spot in the Western Conference.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: kimmy on February 03, 2019, 03:37:22 am
Corey Perry is such a tool.

 -k
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 13, 2019, 10:47:14 pm
Let's look at the Canadian teams:

Montreal: coming on strong. Will likely make the playoffs.
Toronto: looked incredible, but have fell back to Earth. May play against Montreal in playoffs
Ottawa: Horribly run organization, and the worst team in the NHL
Winnipeg: the best run club since returning in 2011. Will win the Stanley Cup.
Edmonton: Horrible owner meddling in affairs. Will only hire 80s Oiler greats. Poor McDavid.
Calgary: really turning it on. Goalie has been excellent, and Tkachuk is a stud.
Vancouver: Good young team may squeeze in, with a Wildcard birth.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: wilber on February 14, 2019, 11:30:06 am
I had hopes for the Canucks but the injury bug has hit again with five starters now out including two of their three best D. They don't really have the depth yet to overcome that.
Title: Re: NHL Trade Deadline
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on February 25, 2019, 12:09:25 pm
Well just a couple of hours until the NHL trade deadline is past. It will be interesting to see how teams gear up for the playoffs.