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Title: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: kimmy on November 21, 2018, 09:43:49 am
One name to watch-- the name to watch, according to this article-- is Beto O'Rourke.

Beto tried to take Ted Cruz' senate seat in the past election. O'Rourke fell short, 51% to 49%.  So why is a guy who didn't even win his senate race viewed as such a contender?  Well, it's not that he lost, it's how he lost.

Texas Democrats have lost the past several senate races by double-digit margins, so coming within 2% is pretty impressive. But more than that, it's the voter turnout that O'Rourke generated.  He received over 4 million votes... in the past several elections, Texas Democrat senate candidates get 3 million votes in general election years and under 2 million votes in midterm election years.  So getting 4 million votes in a midterm election year is notable. Turnout was high everywhere this year, but not to that degree. To some extent the high turnout in Texas is a result of O'Rourke.  And turnout generated by O'Rourke translated into results for "down ticket" candidates, as high Democrat turnout resulted in seats being flipped in the House of Represenatives and at the state level as well.

So the thinking is, if O'Rourke can do this well in Texas, imagine how well he could do nationally.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/beto-orourke-2020-democratic-primary-995353

 -k
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: segnosaur on November 21, 2018, 11:05:50 am
One name to watch-- the name to watch, according to this article-- is Beto O'Rourke.

Beto tried to take Ted Cruz' senate seat in the past election. O'Rourke fell short, 51% to 49%.  So why is a guy who didn't even win his senate race viewed as such a contender?  Well, it's not that he lost, it's how he lost.
I agree that O'Rourke did an impressive job in turning what is normally an easy win for the republicans in conservative Texas into a competitive race. However, I would be quite hesitant in giving him a presidential run just yet....

Cruz is not exactly a likable politician, and while Trump has a higher approval rating in Texas than in the rest of the country, he doesn't have majority support. Plus, the Democrats spent a whole lot of money trying to win the seat.

Of course, a Democrat from a traditionally red state might have an advantage in a presidential election, since they might be able to pick up some electoral college votes that would normally be a hammerlock for the republicans.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article218605715.html

Personally I rather like Cory Booker... he's got senate experience (including holding positions on the high profile foreign affairs and judicial committees), he's seen as a political moderate (in favor of things like abortion and gay rights, but also has pro-business policies, especially in the technology area.)

The only problem with him is that he isn't married. While I don't think that would actually be a problem when running the country, I can see the republicans resorting to smear tactics. "He's not married! Must be a pervert".
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 21, 2018, 11:28:55 am
Being married must carry a lot of weight down there then since Trump is self admitted pervert and he's in the WH.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: segnosaur on November 21, 2018, 11:36:11 am
Being married must carry a lot of weight down there then since Trump is self admitted pervert and he's in the WH.
Don't underestimate the ability of Republicans (and their evangelican christian backers) to engage in the most blatant possible hypocrisy. "Well, Trump had an affair, but at least he stayed married. Unlike that pervert Booker. He's not married so he must be a super-pervert. I bet he's gay."

Again, I'm not saying it is an accurate assessment of his life or abilities. I'm just saying that's how the republicans will likely play it out.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 21, 2018, 11:46:55 am
Don't underestimate the ability of Republicans (and their evangelican christian backers) to engage in the most blatant possible hypocrisy. "Well, Trump had an affair, but at least he stayed married. Unlike that pervert Booker. He's not married so he must be a super-pervert. I bet he's gay."

Again, I'm not saying it is an accurate assessment of his life or abilities. I'm just saying that's how the republicans will likely play it out.

Yeah Trump's base seem to be still standing fully behind him no matter the nonsense he gets up to or the lies he tells so I guess repubs must enjoy eating "pablum". The dems need to find the right person, and soon. 
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on November 21, 2018, 12:08:54 pm
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 21, 2018, 12:12:10 pm
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?

Not Hillary!

I'm thinking Elizabeth Warrwn might be a good bet.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on November 21, 2018, 12:27:10 pm
Not Hillary but there are several possibilities. Warren, Gilbrand, Harris, Abrams to name a few and for which position, prez or vice?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: segnosaur on November 21, 2018, 02:10:07 pm
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?
While I think Biden might be a good president, I have a couple of concerns...

1) his age (He's in his 70s now, and will be in his 80s by the end of his first term, if he wins)
2) he may be seen as too much of an "establishment" person.

In my opinion, the Democrats need to find a sweet spot... enough government experience to not mess up when they are in office, but not so much so that they will be seen as "fresh" (and have minimal skeletons in the closet) during an election
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 21, 2018, 02:25:36 pm
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?

No, it would be a dumb plan.
What is with this idea of putting people up there on the basis of their identity group? And if you're going to do it at least do it in a way which benefits you.
A woman would excite mostly one segment of the population - college educated women. And they are already heavily incentivized to vote Democrat. If you want to win the damn thing you want to select someone who will appeal to groups who are not already firmly in your corner.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 21, 2018, 02:28:29 pm
No, it would be a dumb plan.
What is with this idea of putting people up there on the basis of their identity group?

Maybe because a growing portion of the population are growing tired of boring, racist, old dumb guys running things into the ground.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on November 21, 2018, 03:24:30 pm
No, it would be a dumb plan.
What is with this idea of putting people up there on the basis of their identity group? And if you're going to do it at least do it in a way which benefits you.
A woman would excite mostly one segment of the population - college educated women. And they are already heavily incentivized to vote Democrat. If you want to win the damn thing you want to select someone who will appeal to groups who are not already firmly in your corner.

I disagree, there are some very qualified women. Stacey Abrams has ten years of political experience in the Georgia legislature, was minority house leader and is a Yale law graduate with an extensive legal career. Basically you are saying they should be disqualified because they can't win because they are women.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 21, 2018, 06:05:21 pm
Maybe because a growing portion of the population are growing tired of boring, racist, old dumb guys running things into the ground.

As opposed to the thriving democracies and bastions of free thought which the non-white leaders of the world have produced, you mean?
There are virtually no non-white countries which aren't shitholes. And those few that are livable are mostly due to the influence of western nations under 'boring, racist dumb white guys'.


Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 21, 2018, 06:07:15 pm
I disagree, there are some very qualified women. Stacey Abrams has ten years of political experience in the Georgia legislature, was minority house leader and is a Yale law graduate with an extensive legal career. Basically you are saying they should be disqualified because they can't win because they are women.

No. Basically you are saying we should find a woman. How is that advantageous in any way, shape or form unless you're looking for sex?
Don't name me A woman and say "well, she seems capable". I could do the same with dozens of men.
What's wrong with finding the PERSON who is most likely to win and most likely to be able to govern effectively?


Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 21, 2018, 06:18:24 pm
As opposed to the thriving democracies and bastions of free thought which the non-white leaders of the world have produced, you mean?
There are virtually no non-white countries which aren't shitholes. And those few that are livable are mostly due to the influence of western nations under 'boring, racist dumb white guys'.

I see you like to use Trump lingo to try and make your case, which of course is predictable. A lot of non white countries that are what you and Donny refer to as shitholes remain so because boring ,racist dumb white guys have moved in, stolen the resources, and then **** off. Apparently you haven't traveled far from your block. 
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on November 21, 2018, 10:22:39 pm
No. Basically you are saying we should find a woman. How is that advantageous in any way, shape or form unless you're looking for sex?
Don't name me A woman and say "well, she seems capable". I could do the same with dozens of men.
What's wrong with finding the PERSON who is most likely to win and most likely to be able to govern effectively?

Iíve no doubt there are women more qualified than some so called ďelectableĒ men. Trump turned out to be electable. Howís that working out?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: kimmy on November 22, 2018, 02:14:02 am
What is with this idea of putting people up there on the basis of their identity group? And if you're going to do it at least do it in a way which benefits you.
A woman would excite mostly one segment of the population - college educated women. And they are already heavily incentivized to vote Democrat. If you want to win the damn thing you want to select someone who will appeal to groups who are not already firmly in your corner.

Spends most of his time complaining about identity politics...  suggests choosing a candidate that will appeal to white male voters.

 -k
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: MH on November 22, 2018, 05:49:58 am
Spends most of his time complaining about identity politics...  suggests choosing a candidate that will appeal to white male voters.

 -k

Kind of makes sense though.

It's not fair but a middle-aged white male seems to represent a non-identity choice.  If they do that, they can placate their base by having him say the 'right things'.  Remember Bill Clinton as the first 'black president' ?   :D
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: cybercoma on November 22, 2018, 07:10:27 am
Kind of makes sense though.

It's not fair but a middle-aged white male seems to represent a non-identity choice.  If they do that, they can placate their base by having him say the 'right things'.  Remember Bill Clinton as the first 'black president' ?   :D
Everyone has an identity. The difference is that some people's identities are used against them. For example, Argus wouldn't hire people with foreign-sounding names because they might not speak English well enough for him.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 22, 2018, 11:39:11 am
I see you like to use Trump lingo to try and make your case, which of course is predictable. A lot of non white countries that are what you and Donny refer to as shitholes remain so because boring ,racist dumb white guys have moved in, stolen the resources, and then **** off. Apparently you haven't traveled far from your block.

My description of the third world vastly pre-dates Trump. And is based on reality.
Yours is based on unicorn farts and rainbows. And on your racist assumption that whatever is wrong with a non-white country it must be the fault of some white country somewhere, sometime in the past.

Hey, Ireland was conquered by the UK and subjected to brutal suppression for centuries. How come it's such a great country now? Meanwhile, Turkey wasn't conquered, and it's a shithole.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 22, 2018, 11:40:24 am
Iíve no doubt there are women more qualified than some so called ďelectableĒ men.

Really? Why do you have no doubt?  Is it based upon the vast history and spendiferous achievements of female politicians?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 22, 2018, 11:47:52 am
Spends most of his time complaining about identity politics...  suggests choosing a candidate that will appeal to white male voters.

 -k

First, Wilber's suggestion was based on pure identity politics. Do you deny it?

My primary reply was 'What's wrong with selecting the right person".

Yes, I certainly did mention electoral strategy, that you choose someone who will appeal to a broader group of people beyond those already committed to your party.  That would be a moderate white male with a strong military background. That is at least sound politics. Wilber's suggestion is not only identity politics it's DUMB identity politics, done for nothing more than virtue signalling.

The Democrats swept Vermont. Except for the governor. They got stomped there by a Republican. I'm curious as to whether that would have happened if the Democrats hadn't chosen to virtue signal by putting up a transgender candidate. I'm willing to bet that at the very, very least the vote would have been a hell of a lot closer with someone more mainstream.

Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 22, 2018, 11:49:07 am
Everyone has an identity. The difference is that some people's identities are used against them. For example, Argus wouldn't hire people with foreign-sounding names because they might not speak English well enough for him.

Given time to do interviews I would. I don't know if you've ever had a job that was busy and where you had to get secondary jobs done fast, but when you do, you go for quick results.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on November 22, 2018, 12:37:00 pm
Really? Why do you have no doubt?  Is it based upon the vast history and spendiferous achievements of female politicians?

You only have to look at their qualifications compared to some of the rubes who are in office. Men have had the political world to themselves and centuries to screw things up, time to give some ladies a turn.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: segnosaur on November 22, 2018, 01:21:10 pm
You only have to look at their qualifications compared to some of the rubes who are in office. Men have had the political world to themselves and centuries to screw things up, time to give some ladies a turn.
I agree that there should be qualified people elected to office. And I agree that there are many women who are much more qualified than some of the current crop of elected politicians.

The problem is, people don't always vote for 'qualifications'.

Look at Clinton... massively more qualified than Trump, in terms of government experience, knowledge, integrity. Yet the U.S. is currently run by Stubby McBonespurs, an individual who had never held elected political office, who had no government experience, and who's history of running businesses seemed to have more failures than successes. Yet voters took a look at the bigotry he was spouting and said "Yeah give me some of that".

Being the most qualified is of no benefit if you get rejected by the voters, and I don't think its too out of line to recognize that women are at a political disadvantage (unfair as it is). I remember seen the results of a poll that showed that roughly 1 in 10 people would never consider voting for a woman. (I tried to dig up the article but it seems to be lost in a google-mess of midterm results.)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 22, 2018, 01:33:11 pm
I agree that there should be qualified people elected to office. And I agree that there are many women who are much more qualified than some of the current crop of elected politicians.

The problem is, people don't always vote for 'qualifications'.

Look at Clinton... massively more qualified than Trump, in terms of government experience, knowledge, integrity. Yet the U.S. is currently run by Stubby McBonespurs, an individual who had never held elected political office, who had no government experience, and who's history of running businesses seemed to have more failures than successes. Yet voters took a look at the bigotry he was spouting and said "Yeah give me some of that".

Being the most qualified is of no benefit if you get rejected by the voters, and I don't think its too out of line to recognize that women are at a political disadvantage (unfair as it is). I remember seen the results of a poll that showed that roughly 1 in 10 people would never consider voting for a woman. (I tried to dig up the article but it seems to be lost in a google-mess of midterm results.)

Except that in the last federal somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million more voters cast ballots for Hillary, but it was that goofy EC thingy that put old Boney BS in office. They should dump the EC and let the ballots speak. I do agree though I think there still is a mentality that wants to keep women hunkered down in either the kitchen or the bedroom.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: segnosaur on November 22, 2018, 01:44:25 pm
Except that in the last federal somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million more voters cast ballots for Hillary..
Yes, which is a good thing. And, there were also a record number of women who won seats in the house, also a good thing.

The U.S. is improving, but it still has a little ways to go before both genders are treated equally when it comes to politics.
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but it was that goofy EC thingy that put old Boney BS in office.
I agree that Hillary's loss was partly due to the way the electoral college works. But, a candidate has to get elected under whatever system is in place at the time.

Had Hillary been a man, maybe she may have won a couple more of the battleground states. (Granted you can't tell for sure without a crystal ball, but the margins of victory were very slim in some states that Trump won.)
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They should dump the EC and let the ballots speak.
I agree that would probably be a good thing.

The problem is, they need to convince enough states to get rid of the electoral college, and many of the small states (who currently have more influence despite their lower population) will probably not want to give up their power.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 22, 2018, 02:09:27 pm
You only have to look at their qualifications compared to some of the rubes who are in office. Men have had the political world to themselves and centuries to screw things up, time to give some ladies a turn.

They've screwed things up? How? We are at the pinnacle of human achievement living in the wealthiest, freeist society in the history of the world.

I'm trying to think of a single female politician of any note in Canadian history and failing. Every premier I can think of has been a disaster, as has every female party leader. Help me out here.

Politics is a ruthless, cutthroat profession. Even internal advantage seems to be gained by harsh, strategic decisions, garnering support from various important people, sucking up, doing favours. This is not something women are very good at, generally. The ones that succeed, that play this shitty game, seem to be people so venal and self serving they basically have no morals or ethics (Kathleen Wynne being one example of that breed). I have met and worked for some good, smart, solidly knowledgeable women with great people skills in my time. A couple of Directors General I worked for were among the best I've seen. So I'm not suggesting women can't function capably in leadership roles. But the nasty politics of it goes against their nature, moreso than it does men. Most women instinctively seek compromise, which is a good thing IMO, but they tend to be crushed by men who go for the throat. And while I've met powerful women I liked and admired I've yet to meet one with the charisma to carry a room.



Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 22, 2018, 02:10:40 pm
I agree that there should be qualified people elected to office. And I agree that there are many women who are much more qualified than some of the current crop of elected politicians.

The problem is, people don't always vote for 'qualifications'.

Look at Clinton... massively more qualified than Trump, in terms of government experience, knowledge, integrity.

Yet she was far from a paragon of virtue, and she made Stephen Harper seem charismatic by comparison.
If the Democrats put a woman in as candidate it will almost certainly be Elizabeth Warren, and that gives us a very good chance of another four years for Trump.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: ?Impact on November 22, 2018, 04:13:53 pm
I'm curious as to whether that would have happened if the Democrats hadn't chosen to virtue signal by putting up a transgender candidate.

Yes, because putting up a trangender, or gay, woman, Muslim, etc. is all about virtue signaling. I am not a bigot, an old white straight male however is the only acceptable choice that doesn't represent virtual signaling.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 22, 2018, 04:27:10 pm
If you want the democrats to win, choose a moderate democrat that may even share a few mild conservative views.  He'll capture all the usual democrat votes, get a lot of moderate swing votes, and might even get some GOP votes that are tired of Trump.

Choose a Bernie Sanders-type and you'd get the usual democrat votes, a bump in college kids who don't vote or vote Democrat anyways, but alienate a lot of the moderate swing voters and have zero chance at capturing anyone right-of-centre.

Crazy thought, but you'd think a POTUS would want to appeal to and represent the most Americans as possible.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: ?Impact on November 22, 2018, 05:10:09 pm
Crazy thought, but you'd think a POTUS would want to appeal to and represent the most Americans as possible.

Yet Trump won.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on November 22, 2018, 05:56:19 pm
They've screwed things up? How? We are at the pinnacle of human achievement living in the wealthiest, freeist society in the history of the world.



21 trillion in debt and digging even faster, declining education standards, life expectancy and infant mortality that doesn't reflect how much they spend on healthcare, lots of improvements to be made.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 22, 2018, 06:56:45 pm
21 trillion in debt and digging even faster, declining education standards, life expectancy and infant mortality that doesn't reflect how much they spend on healthcare, lots of improvements to be made.


There is nothing wrong with the system there which could not be remedied with proper changes to the tax system, some modest gun control and a national medicare program.
But the real problem is a lack of money control going into politics. I don't know if you've noticed, but the female candidates who are pushed forward by the money men are every bit as wacko as the men, and like the men their only real agenda is cutting taxes and government. Because that's what their backers are paying them for.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 22, 2018, 08:23:51 pm
Yet Trump won.

Yes.  He represents about half of Americans though.  And things aren't working out the greatest.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: cybercoma on November 23, 2018, 09:39:02 am
Yes, because putting up a trangender, or gay, woman, Muslim, etc. is all about virtue signaling. I am not a bigot, an old white straight male however is the only acceptable choice that doesn't represent virtual signaling.
But an old, white male is virtue signalling. Especially if he's a devout Christian, nationalist, who is anti-immigration. This is all "virtue" signalling.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: cybercoma on November 23, 2018, 09:40:22 am
Yes.  He represents about half of Americans though.  And things aren't working out the greatest.
No he doesn't. He represents less than half of the people who voted, which is about half of those eligible to vote and even less of the population as a whole. Even then, there's enough people who regret voting for him that he doesn't even represent that anymore. All totaled he probably represents about 20% of the population or less at this point.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SirJohn on November 23, 2018, 11:58:08 am
Yes, because putting up a trangender, or gay, woman, Muslim, etc. is all about virtue signaling.

All too often, yes. It shouldn't be that way. But unfortunately, progressives are brainless assholes.


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I am not a bigot, an old white straight male however is the only acceptable choice that doesn't represent virtual signaling.

The only acceptable choice would be the best person for the job. In which case you don't need things like affirmative action and quotas.
Those are only necessary to push up identity group members who would not otherwise succeed on merit.

In this case, the job is getting elected and then running the country. The best person to get elected is a white male, ex-military type.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: segnosaur on November 23, 2018, 12:23:00 pm
No he doesn't. He represents less than half of the people who voted, which is about half of those eligible to vote and even less of the population as a whole.
I'm always cautious when people use the argument about "not everyone who was eligible voted". True, many people sat out the election so can't be counted as 'Trump voters". But, those people could have gone to the polls and voted for Clinton. (Even if they were not in a swing state, voting as a symbolic "I don't approve of Trump" gesture would have some value.)

Instead, those non-voters looked at Trump, decided "Err... a bigoted con-artist is not reprehensible enough so I won't bother going to the polls". Not voting for Trump doesn't automatically mean you don't like Trump.

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Even then, there's enough people who regret voting for him that he doesn't even represent that anymore. All totaled he probably represents about 20% of the population or less at this point.
Trump's current approval rating sits at approximately 43%, and has hovered around that level since shortly after his election. This is after the Stormy Daniels revelations. This is after he dropped out of a military memorial because of rain. This is after the Trump administration had children locked in cages. This is after several high-profile firings and arrests of Trump associates.

Granted, 43% is significantly less than half, but its still a large enough minority of voters for people to say "What is wrong with the U.S. population?"

Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 12:31:05 pm
I'm always cautious when people use the argument about "not everyone who was eligible voted". True, many people sat out the election so can't be counted as 'Trump voters". But, those people could have gone to the polls and voted for Clinton. (Even if they were not in a swing state, voting as a symbolic "I don't approve of Trump" gesture would have some value.)

Instead, those non-voters looked at Trump, decided "Err... a bigoted con-artist is not reprehensible enough so I won't bother going to the polls". Not voting for Trump doesn't automatically mean you don't like Trump.
Trump's current approval rating sits at approximately 43%, and has hovered around that level since shortly after his election. This is after the Stormy Daniels revelations. This is after he dropped out of a military memorial because of rain. This is after the Trump administration had children locked in cages. This is after several high-profile firings and arrests of Trump associates.

Granted, 43% is significantly less than half, but its still a large enough minority of voters for people to say "What is wrong with the U.S. population?"

All that tells you a lot about the "character" of his base.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 12:52:49 pm
All that tells you a lot about the "character" of his base.

It tells you a lot about the character of those who couldn't be bothered voting, too.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 01:04:09 pm
It tells you a lot about the character of those who couldn't be bothered voting, too.

Yeah it tells you most people thought he was such a scumbag he didn't have a hope in hell in any case. And then there is the fact that the most who did vote, did not vote for him.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 01:20:28 pm
Yeah it tells you most people thought he was such a scumbag he didn't have a hope in hell in any case. And then there is the fact that the most who did vote, did not vote for him.

Lazy.  I was convinced of that too, but I would still have voted for a donkey if it was all they had to oppose him.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 01:27:02 pm
Lazy.  I was convinced of that too, but I would still have voted for a donkey if it was all they had to oppose him.

As I've already pointed out, most people who did vote, opposed him. Heard of a thing called the Electoral College have you?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 01:39:52 pm
As I've already pointed out, most people who did vote, opposed him. Heard of a thing called the Electoral College have you?

Absolutely.  Their system is their own. 

There's still a bunch of lazy people out there wishing they had put down their smartphones and hauled their fat arses!

They'll forget before next time though.  Or maybe a new app will take their interest.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 02:44:54 pm
Absolutely.  Their system is their own. 

There's still a bunch of lazy people out there wishing they had put down their smartphones and hauled their fat arses!

They'll forget before next time though.  Or maybe a new app will take their interest.

Their current system thwarts the will of the people. But the repubs like it that way.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 03:30:25 pm
Their current system thwarts the will of the people. But the repubs like it that way.

They do now, because it works for them.  If Hillary had won it would be a wonderful system.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 03:34:38 pm
They do now, because it works for them.  If Hillary had won it would be a wonderful system.

Um no, if Hillary had of won it be an honest system. She won by over 3 million votes. Get it... yet?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 03:38:10 pm
Um no, if Hillary had of won it be an honest system. She won by over 3 million votes. Get it... yet?

Oh no, sorry, I meant if Hillary had won with the same votes as DT.

Unless you are a Republican.  In which case it would be thwarting the will of the people.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 03:55:05 pm
Oh no, sorry, I meant if Hillary had won with the same votes as DT.

Unless you are a Republican.  In which case it would be thwarting the will of the people.

I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 04:12:36 pm
I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.

Of course. 

That has nothing to do with my point, which is that an election system that supplies a win to any party will be proper until it no longer does.  Then it will not be proper.  Regardless of party.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 04:22:56 pm
Of course. 

That has nothing to do with my point, which is that an election system that supplies a win to any party will be proper until it no longer does.  Then it will not be proper.  Regardless of party.

Psst, there's more than one party.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 04:24:00 pm
Psst, there's more than one party.

I know.  I was talking about all of them.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 04:28:53 pm
I know.  I was talking about all of them.

Well so far it's the repubs who have done the gerrymandering. Perhaps some of the other party's should strive to return the "one man, one vote" concept.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: bcsapper on November 23, 2018, 04:37:42 pm
Well so far it's the repubs who have done the gerrymandering. Perhaps some of the other party's should strive to return the "one man, one vote" concept.

Gerrymandering is a different issue.  We might actually have an extremely rare agreement there.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on November 23, 2018, 06:23:27 pm
I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.


Maybe but it doesn't always work that way even in our system. It depends on where the votes are. A few years back, Campbell's BC Liberals lost an election with a small majority of the popular vote.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2018, 07:56:27 pm

Maybe but it doesn't always work that way even in our system. It depends on where the votes are. A few years back, Campbell's BC Liberals lost an election with a small majority of the popular vote.

Oh sure it does happen here, but nowhere near to the extremes it does south of the border. The repubs were/are very effective at re drawing borders to suit themselves.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: kimmy on December 31, 2018, 09:04:50 pm
It looks like Elizabeth Warren is a go:

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/31/677821948/elizabeth-warren-launches-exploratory-bid-for-president-in-2020


She first gained public notice as one of the people going after big banks after the financial collapse of 2007, and she was one of the principle architects of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was created during the Obama administration to be a watchdog over predatory and deceptive lending by banks and others.  She then ran for Senator, which she won in 2012 and was re-elected again this year.

Her focus has been very much on financial and economic issues to this point in her career. She's law professor who has taught at Harvard among other places, and is considered a leading expert in commercial law and bankruptcy law.

The attack on Warren, other than the "Fauxcahontas" nonsense, will be that she's a socialist. That might not be a fair assessment of her views.

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The senator does support some plans to have the federal government take over certain industries, and she has signed on as a sponsor of a bill from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to federalize national health insurance.

But of the key policies Warren is championing, most aim to use the federal governmentís power to restructure markets, rather than have the federal government take them over directly. These policies reflect her perspective that a handful of concentrated economic interests have come to unfairly dominate certain sectors and that federal intervention can reform markets to make them fairer by opening them up to greater competition.

Her housing bill, for instance, includes trying to repeal restrictive local zoning codes rather than building new federally owned housing, as some on the left have proposed.

Warren has focused on breaking up what she sees as monopolies in the technology sector and other industries through new antitrust enforcement, and she has accused large technology companies of anti-competitive behavior.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/12/31/warrens-agenda-break-up-monopolies-give-workers-control-over-corporations-fight-big-pharma/



 -k
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SuperColinBlow on January 24, 2019, 12:51:14 pm
Well so far it's the repubs who have done the gerrymandering. Perhaps some of the other party's should strive to return the "one man, one vote" concept.

There are states that do pro-Democratic gerrymandering, or other devious devices to push out the opposition, or make a minority an even smaller minority. Like the one I live in. Our sixth congressional district was just ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

If the GOP seems to be doing it the most, the situation could change, and in the future, the Democrats could be doing the most of it. A gerry-go-round.

Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SuperColinBlow on January 24, 2019, 12:54:41 pm
I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.

Of course, nobody got a majority of votes. By definition that's >50% of the votes, not just the most votes (which is a PLURality).
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on January 24, 2019, 01:06:05 pm
Of course, nobody got a majority of votes. By definition that's >50% of the votes, not just the most votes (which is a PLURality).

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TGs4_gqWbNk/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: SuperColinBlow on January 25, 2019, 09:13:34 am
Yeah, exactly. In the case of Trump and Hillary, more people voted against each of them than voted for them.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: kimmy on January 25, 2019, 09:26:19 am
Elizabeth Warren is proposing a wealth tax.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/24/18196275/elizabeth-warren-wealth-tax

An idea whose time has come. Why tax income rather than wealth?  Why tax the ladder while people are when trying to climb?

The down side, of course, is that the wealthy are good at hiding wealth.

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lawd, the house look like a rummage sale, yeah.


 -k
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: TimG on January 25, 2019, 09:40:59 am
An idea whose time has come. Why tax income rather than wealth?  Why tax the ladder while people are when trying to climb?
Wealth taxes are the most regressive of taxes and worse than any other because they end up forcing successful business people to sell the businesses they built because the nominal book value of a successful business can far exceed the income someone earns from it. IOW, these kind of a taxes not only creates a disincentive to create businesses it actively undermines businesses that do succeed. I would rathers see the special treatment of capital gains eliminated first. This would have an effect similar to a wealth tax but would only impact people when they actually have cash to pay the tax bill.

Furthermore, even if such a tax was instituted the effect on revenues would be a rounding error because the total number of "super wealthy" is very small and they can afford to arrange their affairs to minimize the impact of such taxes.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on January 25, 2019, 11:36:46 am
Wealth taxes are the most regressive of taxes and worse than any other because they end up forcing successful business people to sell the businesses they built because the nominal book value of a successful business can far exceed the income someone earns from it. IOW, these kind of a taxes not only creates a disincentive to create businesses it actively undermines businesses that do succeed. I would rathers see the special treatment of capital gains eliminated first. This would have an effect similar to a wealth tax but would only impact people when they actually have cash to pay the tax bill.

Furthermore, even if such a tax was instituted the effect on revenues would be a rounding error because the total number of "super wealthy" is very small and they can afford to arrange their affairs to minimize the impact of such taxes.

A lot of those people who have the cash to pay the tax bill have that cash hidden in the BVI or elsewhere so the bill goes away. The imbalance in the US between haves and have nots is extreme and will continue to get worse with Trump at the controls, doing things such as rolling corp. tax back 14% ratcheting up the national debt which  the have nots end up paying.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: the_squid on January 25, 2019, 02:13:03 pm
Wealth taxes are the most regressive of taxes and worse than any other because they end up forcing successful business people to sell the businesses they built because the nominal book value of a successful business can far exceed the income someone earns from it. IOW, these kind of a taxes not only creates a disincentive to create businesses it actively undermines businesses that do succeed. I would rathers see the special treatment of capital gains eliminated first. This would have an effect similar to a wealth tax but would only impact people when they actually have cash to pay the tax bill.

Furthermore, even if such a tax was instituted the effect on revenues would be a rounding error because the total number of "super wealthy" is very small and they can afford to arrange their affairs to minimize the impact of such taxes.

You think a business worth $50 million isn't generating much income?   You're arguing as if this applies to small business and people who are house-rich but cash poor.  It wouldn't.

Is $2.75 trillion over 10 years a "rounding error" TimG?

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...a proposal to levy a wealth tax on Americans with fortunes worth over $50 million.
-------------------------
 According to the post, Saez estimates this tax would hit approximately 75,000 families and raise $2.75 trillion over a 10-year period.

Seems completely reasonable to me. 
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: TimG on January 25, 2019, 06:01:15 pm
You think a business worth $50 million isn't generating much income?
Lots of businesses have sky high valuations and but no profits. The founders will take a good income from the business and pay tax on that income but it is insane to suggest they should have give up control of their business just to pay a regressive and abusive tax. As I said, if the government wants to tax these people they should do it when assets are sold and actual profits made by getting rid of the special treatment for capital gains. Taxes should never be assessed on the yearly book value of an asset.

Is $2.75 trillion over 10 years a "rounding error" TimG?
US government spending over 10 years is 75 trillion so 3.6% is close to a rounding error. But there is no way that the tax would actually collect that much because people would change behavior. In the worst case, you see the wealthy leave the country for a place with less abusive tax policies. This is exactly what happened in France when they tried to increase marginal rates to 70%.

Seems completely reasonable to me.
Only because you don't really understand how businesses are built and value is created.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on January 26, 2019, 01:51:02 pm
You think a business worth $50 million isn't generating much income?   

Tesla. A ton of companies worth billions now made no profits for years, nor did they pay dividends. Apple has only paid dividends for five years or so, because all the capital went back into growing the company. Capital gains and profits, fine but a tax on their value is just regressive and will prevent companies from growing.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on April 28, 2020, 12:58:42 pm
Itís gotten so bad with Biden that theyíre having his wife speak in place of him.  He just stands there and smiles.

https://youtu.be/q9aIQsLjjOs
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on April 28, 2020, 02:48:58 pm
Itís gotten so bad with Biden that theyíre having his wife speak in place of him.  He just stands there and smiles.

even by your standards, this is so lame! A 35+ second clip where VP Biden is being talked of/introduced... apparently, you expect the guy to interrupt that!  ;D
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on April 28, 2020, 03:06:46 pm
Itís gotten so bad with Biden that theyíre having his wife speak in place of him.  He just stands there and smiles.

https://youtu.be/q9aIQsLjjOs

Grasping at straws again I see.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on April 28, 2020, 03:51:38 pm
even by your standards, this is so lame! A 35+ second clip where VP Biden is being talked of/introduced... apparently, you expect the guy to interrupt that!  ;D
Itís even worse when he speaks!  Even you have to admit it.  Admitting to the truth doesnít mean Trump is great you know.  Itís not an either or.

https://youtu.be/hTxqnvsSYSI
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: the_squid on April 28, 2020, 04:14:26 pm
Itís even worse when he speaks!  Even you have to admit it.  Admitting to the truth doesnít mean Trump is great you know.  Itís not an either or.

So tell us again why you overlook Trumpís much worse record on these things?  I donít think youíve come up with any intelligible answer....
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on April 28, 2020, 04:42:54 pm
So tell us again why you overlook Trumpís much worse record on these things?  I donít think youíve come up with any intelligible answer....

I find I currently don't really need that great Canadian fact checker Daniel Dale to keep me up to speed on Trumps lies/contradictions. I just tune into his daily briefings and I quickly run out of fingers/toes counting them up since the last one.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on April 28, 2020, 09:05:19 pm
So tell us again why you overlook Trumpís much worse record on these things?  I donít think youíve come up with any intelligible answer....
I support Trump based on policy.  Much the same way Biden supporters will over look his mental decline, his sexual assault, his nepotism.  Kinda the da,es way Democrats looked the other way via Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy.  Heck, the even had a prominent senator who was a former Klan member.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on April 28, 2020, 09:13:25 pm
I support Trump based on policy.  Much the same way Biden supporters will over look his mental decline, his sexual assault, his nepotism.  Kinda the da,es way Democrats looked the other way via Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy.  Heck, the even had a prominent senator who was a former Klan member.

Hey we all need a good laugh once in a while. Good job shady  :D
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on April 28, 2020, 09:33:49 pm
I support Trump based on policy.  Much the same way Biden supporters will over look his mental decline, his sexual assault, his nepotism.  Kinda the da,es way Democrats looked the other way via Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy.  Heck, the even had a prominent senator who was a former Klan member.

Policy? Which one-selling billions worth of war materials to the Saudis, ignoring a pandemic, admitting he like's to grab women by the ****, or all of the above?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 01, 2020, 10:38:05 am
Policy? Which one-selling billions worth of war materials to the Saudis, ignoring a pandemic, admitting he like's to grab women by the ****, or all of the above?
An all of the above energy policy.  A stop to unlimited illegal immigration, a tough trade stance with China, business friendly tax policy, criminal justice reform, conservative judges.  Selling billions to Saudis, ignoring a pandemic?  You mean like Justin Trudeau?! 😂
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: kimmy on May 01, 2020, 04:39:15 pm
Continually appointing a numbskull like his son-in-law Kushner to key posts like coordinating the coronavirus response or bringing peace to the Middle East is a prime example of what makes Trump unfit for office. 

 -k
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 01, 2020, 04:58:46 pm
Continually appointing a numbskull like his son-in-law Kushner to key posts like coordinating the coronavirus response or bringing peace to the Middle East is a prime example of what makes Trump unfit for office. 

 -k
While I agree he shouldnít be appointing relatives, I donít believe Kushner is some numbskull.  Heís actually fairly bright and accomplished.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 01, 2020, 05:58:19 pm
While I agree he shouldnít be appointing relatives, I donít believe Kushner is some numbskull.  Heís actually fairly bright and accomplished.

Don't know anything about the guy, but he is a Harvard and NYU grad with a law degree and an MBA.  I assume a guy in the family with those smarts is someone Trump trusts to advise him, not many he can trust these days.

Robert Kennedy was a lawyer too, and was appointed Attorney General his bro JFK.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: kimmy on May 05, 2020, 01:31:56 am
While I agree he shouldnít be appointing relatives, I donít believe Kushner is some numbskull.  Heís actually fairly bright and accomplished.

Kushner's a real estate guy, right?  Chris Christie put Pops Kushner in jail, didn't he?  The Kush inherited his dad's slimy real-estate business, made some dubious deals, and married Ivanka?  Those are his qualifications for "bringing peace to the middle east", "building the wall", "fighting the coronavirus epidemic", and whatever else he's been taxed with over the past 3+ years?  He's failed at everything he's tried, including getting a security clearance.  Aside from being born rich and marrying the President's daughter, what are these "accomplishments"?

If Kushner wasn't Trump's son in law, would he in the top 100 people considered for any of those tasks? The top 1000? Top 10,000?  Whatever happened to hiring the best people?

Maybe instead of just appointing his unqualified son-in-law to jobs, Trump should have a reality show to decide who leads the coronavirus response.

 -k
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: the_squid on May 06, 2020, 12:51:26 pm
Big problem for Democrats.  25% want another nominee after the sexual assault allegations.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/496142-poll-61-percent-of-democrats-believe-biden-on-reade-but-25-percent-want-new

Your poll says 61% like him...   sounds like Biden is doing very well with Dems.   :P
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: wilber on May 06, 2020, 04:01:01 pm
Don't know anything about the guy, but he is a Harvard and NYU grad with a law degree and an MBA.  I assume a guy in the family with those smarts is someone Trump trusts to advise him, not many he can trust these days.

Robert Kennedy was a lawyer too, and was appointed Attorney General his bro JFK.

And who's fault would it be that he has no one he can trust? Trust is earned and a two way street.

Robert Kennedy was a federal prosecutor before entered politics, chief counsel for the Senate labour racket's committee that went after Jimmy Hoffa. He was qualified to be an AG even if his brother was President.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 06, 2020, 08:46:32 pm
Biden could sexually harass someone in the middle of fifth avenue and his supporters wouldnít care.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 06, 2020, 09:23:15 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/cvW6Xin.png)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on May 06, 2020, 09:24:27 pm
Biden could sexually harass someone in the middle of fifth avenue and his supporters wouldnít care.

Donald Trump could be caught on tape admitting to sexual assault because he thinks "he's a star" and his supporters wouldn't care.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on May 06, 2020, 09:29:21 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/cvW6Xin.png)

Poor l'il old Shady must have had his head in the sand not to see that coming. ;)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 06, 2020, 10:50:49 pm
Grope n change 2020!

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Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 06, 2020, 10:55:25 pm
Itís funny cause itís true right? #TrumpLite 😂😂😂

[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on May 06, 2020, 11:06:53 pm
Itís funny cause itís true right? #TrumpLite 😂😂😂

(Attachment Link)

So, good that you're willing to accept your buddy trump is an admitted sexual assault criminal. Now have fun with your dunkin' donuts stuff,
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 07, 2020, 12:20:47 am
Itís funny cause itís true right?

it's true that Trump is acknowledged as the chiefBirther... and it's true that there is a strong correlation between birtherism and racism... but is either funny?

(https://media.salon.com/2011/03/donald_trump_king_of_the_birthers.jpg)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Bubbermiley on May 07, 2020, 04:56:39 am
Biden could sexually harass someone in the middle of fifth avenue and his supporters wouldnít care.
Don't you feel horribly embarrassed about how you used to pretend you were so outraged that people would talk about the multiple sexual assault allegations against Trump because they hadn't been proven in a court of law yet? You were all "waaah! Innocent until proven guilty! Waaah!" It's astounding how little self-awareness you have. It's part of what always made me not sure you really believe what you say.
Because no is really that stupid.
Are they?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 07, 2020, 09:47:35 am
it's true that Trump is acknowledged as the chiefBirther... and it's true that there is a strong correlation between birtherism and racism... but is either funny?

(https://media.salon.com/2011/03/donald_trump_king_of_the_birthers.jpg)
Youíre making my point.  Trump vs Trump-Lite!  In some cases it looks more like Trump vs Trump! 😂
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 07, 2020, 09:48:22 am
So, good that you're willing to accept your buddy trump is an admitted sexual assault criminal. Now have fun with your dunkin' donuts stuff,
You donít mind accepting the same from Biden.  So meh. #TrumpLite
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 07, 2020, 09:58:17 am
The guy even has his own quid pro quo! 😂

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Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Omni on May 07, 2020, 10:07:55 am
You donít mind accepting the same from Biden.  So meh. #TrumpLite

Well perhaps you seem to be coming around to realizing your buddy is an admitted criminal. Hopefully enough will also wake up by November.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 07, 2020, 11:20:28 am
The guy even has his own quid pro quo! 😂

(https://i.imgur.com/YCm5TJF.jpg)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Bubbermiley on May 07, 2020, 12:11:49 pm
You donít mind accepting the same from Biden.  So meh. #TrumpLite
I figured you would be too embarrassed to address my question. Better cry about people deleting your posts and scurry away again.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 22, 2020, 09:18:32 am
TrumpLite err Joe Biden rears his ugly head.  This time playing a race baiting pig.  No wonder his team keeps him locked up in the basement.  What a piece of sh*t.

https://youtu.be/uBQ4PAT1hTg

Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 22, 2020, 09:20:25 am
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 22, 2020, 11:14:08 am
(https://i.imgur.com/yHTggI2.jpg)(https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/afp_rr6wy-e1503490258493.jpg)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 22, 2020, 11:17:35 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYMFkFgPzk
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 22, 2020, 11:35:36 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYMFkFgPzk
More deflection?  This thread is about the Democrat nominee.  Why are you posting about Trump?  Is it because you realize just what a sh*t show Joe Biden is? 😂🤣
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 22, 2020, 11:55:28 am
Democrats donít want black voters to stray from the plantation.  Yesím mista Biden.  Will do sir.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 22, 2020, 12:11:17 pm
#YouAintBlack is the top trending on Twitter.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 22, 2020, 12:20:25 pm
TrumpLite

Why are you posting about Trump?
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 22, 2020, 11:13:34 pm
TrumpLite err Joe Biden rears his ugly head. This time playing a race baiting pig.  No wonder his team keeps him locked up in the basement.  What a piece of sh*t.

such fake outrage, member Shady! Can Biden ever recover?

(https://i.imgur.com/Q6rJv9f.png)
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on May 22, 2020, 11:20:57 pm
Biden is up in virtually every poll over Trump.

Interesting to see how the debates shake out.

Biden is behind a lot with white men.  Maybe a black woman VP isn't the best idea after all.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: Shady on May 23, 2020, 10:19:16 am
such fake outrage, member Shady! Can Biden ever recover?

(https://i.imgur.com/Q6rJv9f.png)
Yep, just like Hillary.  Doesnít mean heís not a disgusting race baiting pig.  TrumpLite!

Regardless, Dems need 90% plus to win elections.  If heís only at 81% thatís a disaster.
Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: waldo on May 23, 2020, 01:40:32 pm
Regardless, Dems need 90% plus to win elections.  If heís only at 81% thatís a disaster.

as the ever AmericanWannabe that you are, why is Trump... your boy? You should be able to answer this readily/easily - yes? Sure you can!

in any case, citing you that latest Quinnipiac poll was just an easy throwback; that being said, even you should realize U.S. national polls (particularly 6 months out) have little bearing given that thingee called the Electoral College. Would you like to get into some of those recent legitimate/independent state-level polls, particularly the so-called "swing state" polls? How's your boy Trump looking there, hey? Why is Trump rantin&ravin over his standing in those polls... incensed as the Republican internal polling that shows him losing, big time!

but hey, how about another of those early... early... "national level" polls - how about the recent Fox News polls that have caused Trump to melt-down on twitter!... against his own stateTeeVee  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/cdxu0dF.png)

Title: Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
Post by: BC_cheque on June 22, 2020, 11:59:55 pm
Biden is up in virtually every poll over Trump.

Interesting to see how the debates shake out.

Biden is behind a lot with white men.  Maybe a black woman VP isn't the best idea after all.

Palin lost '08 for McCain because she was 'one heart-beat away from the presidency'.  McCain was 72 and Biden is 78. 

I've never waited so anxiously for a veep announcement.