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Title: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on September 23, 2018, 10:14:44 am
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/09/21/toronto-deserves-its-independence.html

 :D

Trending now on my feed.  It's silly and I won't promote it but it's an interesting backlash to a populist premier who thought he could gain points by demonizing TO.  Let's see where this goes.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: TimG on September 23, 2018, 11:23:06 am
Trending now on my feed.  It's silly and I won't promote it but it's an interesting backlash to a populist premier who thought he could gain points by demonizing TO.  Let's see where this goes.
You mean the premier that was elected primarily with votes from TO? Perhaps they should be blaming the ones took away their smaller and more responsive cities with amalgamation.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on September 23, 2018, 11:28:18 am
You mean the premier that was elected primarily with votes from TO? Perhaps they should be blaming the ones took away their smaller and more responsive cities with amalgamation.

Hmmm... (https://i.imgur.com/2p7ggze.png)
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: SirJohn on September 23, 2018, 11:41:51 am
Hmmm... (https://i.imgur.com/2p7ggze.png)

You're saying Toronto is only the downtown core?
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on September 23, 2018, 01:02:57 pm
According to Toronto, Toronto is the center of the universe so should get all the votes.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on September 23, 2018, 01:15:21 pm
According to Toronto, Toronto is the center of the universe so should get all the votes.

No, that is according to the ROC (especially Calgary) which has always had a hate on for Toronto.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on September 23, 2018, 01:28:53 pm
You're saying Toronto is only the downtown core?

There's more than downtown in that shot.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on September 23, 2018, 01:29:49 pm
You're saying Toronto is only the downtown core?

Actually much more than the downtown core (old city of Toronto) is orange on that map, and certainly more than half of the population is represented. The two old cities I lived in years ago (Weston and York) are both orange there, as is Scarborough south west. Blue is Scarborough East, North York, and Etobicoke. Red is East York.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: SirJohn on September 23, 2018, 04:03:34 pm
There's more than downtown in that shot.

Yeah, okay. Let's widen out the map a bit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-votes-416-and-905-results-1.4697030
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on September 23, 2018, 04:32:47 pm
Yeah, okay. Let's widen out the map a bit.

Irrelevant. Doug Ford's vicious attack was specifically leveled at the city of Toronto (former Metropolitian Toronto). As I pointed out earlier, he did not do the same thing with Ottawa, which will have over 3 times the municipal representation or other cities that could have well over 10 times. This was a vicious attack on Toronto by Doug Ford, the former councilor that never showed up for work.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on September 23, 2018, 04:49:10 pm
How do we know what his motivation is?  It could be sour grapes and an attack, or it could be as a councilor he saw an wasteful inefficient council.

I find it likely he dislikes people on the council and maybe the mayor, i also find it likely he loves his home city and wants what's in its best interests.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: SirJohn on September 23, 2018, 05:51:57 pm
Irrelevant. Doug Ford's vicious attack was specifically leveled at the city of Toronto (former Metropolitian Toronto). As I pointed out earlier, he did not do the same thing with Ottawa, which will have over 3 times the municipal representation or other cities that could have well over 10 times. This was a vicious attack on Toronto by Doug Ford, the former councilor that never showed up for work.

The city of Toronto council has just under 50 seats. Pointing at a dozen downtown seats in red and yellow and saying 'irrelevant' to all the blue ones makes no sense.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on September 23, 2018, 06:25:30 pm
The city of Toronto council has just under 50 seats. Pointing at a dozen downtown seats in red and yellow and saying 'irrelevant' to all the blue ones makes no sense.

Then tell me the real numbers for the City of Toronto only, which is specifically what Doug Ford's attack was leveled on.

How many seats went to each party
How many votes went to each party

Then get back to me with real data, not some blue map of the surrounding area that is completely, 100% irrelevant.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on September 23, 2018, 06:45:16 pm
Yeah, okay. Let's widen out the map a bit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-votes-416-and-905-results-1.4697030

Mississauga... 905... not Toronto.  Not impacted by the council cut ...
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: SirJohn on September 24, 2018, 09:13:06 am
Mississauga... 905... not Toronto.  Not impacted by the council cut ...

11 of the Toronto seats went Tory, including the premier. You can hardly claim they didn't have lots of support in Toronto.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on September 25, 2018, 01:31:32 pm
11 of the Toronto seats went Tory, including the premier. You can hardly claim they didn't have lots of support in Toronto.

11 seats Tory, with 32.7% of the vote
3 seats Liberal, with 26.2% of the vote
11 seats NDP, with 36.5% of the vote

The Tories did not get a majority in Toronto, and Ford is just leveling his attack on the city that rejected him for mayor as well.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: SirJohn on September 25, 2018, 03:50:45 pm
11 seats Tory, with 32.7% of the vote
3 seats Liberal, with 26.2% of the vote
11 seats NDP, with 36.5% of the vote

The Tories did not get a majority in Toronto, and Ford is just leveling his attack on the city that rejected him for mayor as well.

He threw his name in at the last minute. He might well have won if he'd had time.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on September 25, 2018, 03:58:18 pm
He threw his name in at the last minute.

Yes, Ford is like that, always going off half cocked.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: kimmy on October 15, 2018, 10:07:43 am
Faith Goldy is running for mayor of Toronto???

WTF


 -k
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: wilber on October 15, 2018, 11:28:35 am
Faith Goldy is running for mayor of Toronto???

WTF


 -k

Should be interesting.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on October 15, 2018, 04:43:50 pm
Faith Goldy is running for mayor of Toronto???

WTF

This is the decade of the NAZIs
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Omni on October 15, 2018, 04:58:34 pm
So we could end up with an Ezra Levant lapdog at the helm of our largest city. Now that's scary.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on October 15, 2018, 05:52:53 pm
3 polls show her at 2 percent, 3 percent and 6 percent.

Her main purpose is to troll liberals, and make conservatives look bad. 
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on October 15, 2018, 06:14:21 pm
Her main purpose is to troll liberals, and make conservatives look bad.

That sounds like Avenatti - troll Republicans and make Democrats look bad.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on October 15, 2018, 06:16:33 pm
Polls say Tory wins in landslide.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on October 15, 2018, 06:24:24 pm
Polls say Tory wins in landslide.

I was at a party yesterday... usual collection of ultra-liberal Hardner supporters.  Come to think of it, it was a baby party for me... but anyway.

Several people openly stated they'd be voting for Tory, which when you consider he was PC LEADER is shocking and says a lot for him.  He may be the most centrist politician of our day.  As such, he's likely doomed.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on October 15, 2018, 06:24:51 pm
I am going to take a quick look at his opponent but I feel like I will vote for him.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on October 15, 2018, 09:17:27 pm
Several people openly stated they'd be voting for Tory, which when you consider he was PC LEADER is shocking and says a lot for him.  He may be the most centrist politician of our day.  As such, he's likely doomed.

I think voters, especially at the municipal level, care more about competence than ideology or party.  At least the swing voters do, and those are the people who decide elections.  If you're more to the center you're more likely to capture the biggest % of swing voters IMO
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Mr. Perfect on October 15, 2018, 11:11:51 pm
I was at a party yesterday... usual collection of ultra-liberal Hardner supporters.  Come to think of it, it was a baby party for me... but anyway.

Several people openly stated they'd be voting for Tory, which when you consider he was PC LEADER is shocking and says a lot for him.  He may be the most centrist politician of our day.  As such, he's likely doomed.


Many Conservatives would say he’s not a real conservative....
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on October 16, 2018, 06:30:50 am

Many Conservatives would say he’s not a real conservative....

I am looking at getting people into political life boats at this point.  Trump could convince 40% of the US of the need for martial law right now.  Every sane person needs to start thinking about centrism as a survival path.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: kimmy on October 16, 2018, 10:09:35 am
3 polls show her at 2 percent, 3 percent and 6 percent.

Her main purpose is to troll liberals, and make conservatives look bad.

I don't think that's her intention.  She's in this to build her brand.  Her mayoralty campaign has already attracted attention from far-right kooks and white nationalists all over the world.  Those people won't get her elected, but she's hoping they'll follow whatever venture she embarks on next.

 -k
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: kimmy on October 26, 2018, 02:53:52 am
So the good news is that Faith Goldy finished a distant 3rd, with just 3% of the vote. The bad news is that 25,000 people voted for her.  Is the glass half full or half empty?

 -k
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on October 26, 2018, 06:48:45 am
On the news station Facebook pages the number of Goldy supporters has dropped to a fraction.  She's a vile POS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqSoNttPIfs&t=2562&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

The 14 words is a White Supremacist pledge to protect the 'white race'. 

And good old Conrad Black defended her and tried to yank John Tory into his corner:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-nothing-faith-goldy-has-done-warrants-this-assault-on-her-campaign

Quote
she made some bad choices in accepting invitations to appear on the fringe outlets that would have her. She has at times been coy about using the third-rail 14-word catchphrase of some egregious white supremacists: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,” provocatively making the point that by changing “white” to various other non-white adjectives neutralizes any offence. She is technically correct that the words are unexceptionable, but she should have known better than to create any perception that she gives credence to white supremacist ideas.

So the idea is that she says you should be able to say 'white' if you are able to say other races instead.  It's a fake argument, and pretends that there is no such thing as context.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: MH on October 26, 2018, 06:49:29 am
So - when I post about her I do not call her a Nazi but a Nazi Sympathizer.

There's more than the '14 words' controversy but that's enough for me.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: SirJohn on October 26, 2018, 10:10:24 am
So - when I post about her I do not call her a Nazi but a Nazi Sympathizer.

There's more than the '14 words' controversy but that's enough for me.

I don't post about her because I call her irrelevant. Not sure why anyone does...
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: ?Impact on October 26, 2018, 02:25:11 pm
I don't post about her because I call her irrelevant. Not sure why anyone does...

Unfortunately too many scum we think are irrelevant have gotten enough support to become relevant.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Omni on October 26, 2018, 02:32:14 pm
Unfortunately too many scum we think are irrelevant have gotten enough support to become relevant.

Never underestimate far right conservatives.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: Mr. Perfect on October 26, 2018, 04:20:42 pm
She's not irrelevant at all...  she was with the Rebel, a Conservative favourite media outlet until a year ago.  She's pretty mainstream among conservatives.
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: kimmy on October 27, 2018, 01:56:14 pm
I don't post about her because I call her irrelevant. Not sure why anyone does...

I hope she's irrelevant, but I'm concerned that people like her are becoming more normalized. Having the likes of Faith Goldy running around isn't good for anybody. It's especially not good for people who'd like to have a rational discussion about immigration levels or other topics that have become taboo because of extremists.

 -k
Title: Re: FREE TORONTO
Post by: SirJohn on October 27, 2018, 02:16:47 pm
I hope she's irrelevant, but I'm concerned that people like her are becoming more normalized. Having the likes of Faith Goldy running around isn't good for anybody. It's especially not good for people who'd like to have a rational discussion about immigration levels or other topics that have become taboo because of extremists.

 -k

We haven't been able to have a rational discussion about immigration since before she was born. That is WHY she can get attention. Because she dares to say the kinds of things nobody else dares to say publicly, to question the tight-knit groupthink of our political and media elites. Yes, some of what she says is stupid. But as Douglas Murray has said often enough, if you shut down all conventional sources of discussion then you leave it to people on the fringes to step up. And that means anyone concerned can look only to them. Talk about things openly and deal with the issues and concerns of the people and she has no audience.