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Beyond Politics => General Discussion => Topic started by: SirJohn on June 23, 2018, 10:08:05 am
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In a discussion about sensitive words?
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44585072
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I think it's up to the employer when it comes to political opinions. They aren't protected and it seems difficult to make that happen. What ideas do we want to protect and what do we not care about ? Probably new and different ideas that haven't been considered yet are more important than old and discredited ones ?
People were fired, and - moreover - were blacklisted for having opinions about Communism during the McCarthy era. People protested that, but there was nothing to be done. You could argue that there was an assumption that Communism was a security threat to the US somehow.
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Yes... he even admitted he was insensitive and shouldn’t have said what he did.
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I think it's up to the employer when it comes to political opinions.
He didn't state a political opinion. He was discussing sensitive words with the Netflix PR team, and of course, that would be one of them. Netflix does a lot of its own movies and shows now, often cutting edge, with lots of cursing. Any which featured blacks would likely feature the N-word, if not said to them than by them. That was most likely why he used it in discussions with Black staff members. Black shows would have that word more than any other. Do you avoid it as a broadcast entity and video producer or not? So far they have not avoided using it.
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Yes... he even admitted he was insensitive and shouldn’t have said what he did.
How do you discuss sensitive words without ever mentioning the sensitive words? Yes, he did a mea culpa like all the Hollywood set do, over whatever offense they caused, however unjustified, but I honestly don't see what the difference would be between him using "N-word" to discuss it or "****". This is a broadcast entity which uses the later word in its shows and movies, after all. Plus, I forget who it was who said it, Maybe Bill Burr, but he said using "N-word" was a cop-out because all it does is cause you to translate it in your head to "****".
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How do you discuss sensitive words without ever mentioning the sensitive words? Yes, he did a mea culpa like all the Hollywood set do, over whatever offense they caused, however unjustified, but I honestly don't see what the difference would be between him using "N-word" to discuss it or "****". This is a broadcast entity which uses the later word in its shows and movies, after all. Plus, I forget who it was who said it, Maybe Bill Burr, but he said using "N-word" was a cop-out because all it does is cause you to translate it in your head to "****".
The article doesn't clearly state in what context he was using the word however his willingness to apologize for his insensitivity is indicative.
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The article doesn't clearly state in what context he was using the word however his willingness to apologize for his insensitivity is indicative.
If the meeting was about sensitive words at an organization which creates movies and tv shows I think we can fairly easily figure out what the context was. Plus this guy has been working in Hollywood his whole life. It's not bloody likely he's some kind of knuckle dragging far right type.
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If the meeting was about sensitive words at an organization which creates movies and tv shows I think we can fairly easily figure out what the context was. Plus this guy has been working in Hollywood his whole life. It's not bloody likely he's some kind of knuckle dragging far right type.
You can guess perhaps what the context was but once again, if he was not using it in an insensitive way then why did he apologize for having done so?
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1. He didn't state a political opinion.
2. He was discussing sensitive words with the Netflix PR team, and of course, that would be one of them.
3. That was most likely why he used it in discussions with Black staff members.
1. I mean "an opinion that is political". For example, working for the Leafs and wearing a Bruins shirt everywhere.
2. Seems so ? Maybe ?
3. It doesn't say so in the article.
If that is why he was fired, it seems like too much to me.
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You can guess perhaps what the context was but once again, if he was not using it in an insensitive way then why did he apologize for having done so?
Have you looked at some of the apologies issued by Hollywood types over the past year for the most innocuous of things which offend the politically correct?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0
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Have you looked at some of the apologies issued by Hollywood types over the past year for the most innocuous of things which offend the politically correct?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0
What a feeble attempt at deflection. And Bill Maher should apologize.
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What a feeble attempt at deflection. And Bill Maher should apologize.
It was a direct answer to your question. Why should Bill Maher apologize?
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Isn't up to individuals to decide when/if to apologize ? Or is Bill Maher saying that we should now start having collective morals again ?
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It was a direct answer to your question. Why should Bill Maher apologize?
It certainly was not a direct answer to my question. It explains nothing as to the context of how the N word was used in this case. And while I usually like Maher, this particular segment is rather childish as well as insensitive. Some of the apologies he tries to poke fun at are valid.
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How do you discuss sensitive words without ever mentioning the sensitive words? Yes, he did a mea culpa like all the Hollywood set do, over whatever offense they caused, however unjustified, but I honestly don't see what the difference would be between him using "N-word" to discuss it or "****". This is a broadcast entity which uses the later word in its shows and movies, after all. Plus, I forget who it was who said it, Maybe Bill Burr, but he said using "N-word" was a cop-out because all it does is cause you to translate it in your head to "****".
All I can judge this by is what he has said about it... and he apologized for how he used it. Hence, he probably did something wrong.
You, on the other hand, have judged him innocent of anything due to some inherent bias, not on the facts of the incident.
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Isn't up to individuals to decide when/if to apologize ? Or is Bill Maher saying that we should now start having collective morals again ?
No, he was saying we apologize too much, for giving offense that was never intended and should not have been received.
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It certainly was not a direct answer to my question. It explains nothing as to the context of how the N word was used in this case.
It pointed out that in Hollywood, people give apologies for any offense, however unreasonable and unintended.
And while I usually like Maher, this particular segment is rather childish as well as insensitive. Some of the apologies he tries to poke fun at are valid.
Such as? And even if you disagree with him why should he apologize?
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It pointed out that in Hollywood, people give apologies for any offense, however unreasonable and unintended.
Such as? And even if you disagree with him why should he apologize?
Once again, for the umptteenth time. we need the actual context to make an informed decision. Not your biased one.
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Once again, for the umptteenth time. we need the actual context to make an informed decision. Not your biased one.
Just what context do you imagine the word would be used in a meeting with PR staff to discuss sensitive words?
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Just what context do you imagine the word would be used in a meeting with PR staff to discuss sensitive words?
I wasn't in the meeting, nor were you. You like to make assumptions that suit you. I prefer to have the facts.
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No, he was saying we apologize too much, for giving offense that was never intended and should not have been received.
What business is it of his if someone wants to apologize ? Has the right gone from criticizing people who tell us what to do... to now ACTUALLY telling us what to do ?
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It pointed out that in Hollywood, people give apologies for any offense, however unreasonable and unintended.
IN an industry where fractions of percentages matter, it's probably good for business.
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What business is it of his if someone wants to apologize ? Has the right gone from criticizing people who tell us what to do... to now ACTUALLY telling us what to do ?
You realize Maher is extremely liberal, right?
And since apologizing has become a very public thing forced by online outrage it's become everyone's business.
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I really don't think Maher is so liberal. Anyway he is suspect because of having a show that mines outrage.
Of course apologizing is a public activity. I am trying to differentiate between people who demand civility and political correctness and people who criticize people for apologizing. Can someone articulate a guiding prinicple for a common morality around apologies for me?
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I really don't think Maher is so liberal.
Why? You're reminding me of a thing he did about liberals who attack and denounce other liberals for only agreeing with them 95% of the time.
Of course apologizing is a public activity. I am trying to differentiate between people who demand civility and political correctness and people who criticize people for apologizing.
Apologizing to snowflakes over something that should not have offended them is not civility, its spinelessness. Like the actor who issued a grovelling apology to natives because he dressed as an Indian to attend a lone ranger themed party. BTW, it wasn't Indians who complained. Or Justin Timberlake apologizing after daring to voice his respect and appreciation for a speech given by a black man - without acknowledging his white privilege! Eeek!
Can someone articulate a guiding prinicple for a common morality around apologies for me?
Ask your mother. She should have taught you that long ago.
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I just remember Maher as being a public figure of no determined political stripe.
If you can't articulate a principle then it tellse that you want the right to complain about people's apologies but want them to not have the same right to moralize that you have.
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I just remember Maher as being a public figure of no determined political stripe.
He's pretty much as liberal as you get without going full out progressive.
If you can't articulate a principle then it tellse that you want the right to complain about people's apologies but want them to not have the same right to moralize that you have.
You seriously want to know what a guiding principle behind apologies is? You apologize when you have done something you should not have done which has caused offense or harm. How hard is that?
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He's pretty much as liberal as you get without going full out progressive.
You seriously want to know what a guiding principle behind apologies is? You apologize when you have done something you should not have done which has caused offense or harm. How hard is that?
So throwing around the word "****" in a room with Negroes present is not something you should not do in your opinion therefore not requiring an apology?
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Apologizing to snowflakes over something that should not have offended them is not civility,
You make a lot of assumptions, considering we have no idea what was said or why people found it upsetting. We do know he recognized it was inappropriate though, so it must have been pretty bloody stupid.
But hey, keep fighting the good fight. I suggest you use the n-word as much as possible. It lets people know what kind of person heard dealing with.
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Why? You're reminding me of a thing he did about liberals who attack and denounce other liberals for only agreeing with them 95% of the time.
Apologizing to snowflakes over something that should not have offended them is not civility, its spinelessness. Like the actor who issued a grovelling apology to natives because he dressed as an Indian to attend a lone ranger themed party. BTW, it wasn't Indians who complained. Or Justin Timberlake apologizing after daring to voice his respect and appreciation for a speech given by a black man - without acknowledging his white privilege! Eeek!
Ask your mother. She should have taught you that long ago.
so even though you weren't in that room, you assume that the people who were apologized to are "snowflakes" and the decision to make the apology is "spineless". Why am I not surprised!
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So throwing around the word "****" in a room with Negroes present is not something you should not do in your opinion therefore not requiring an apology?
Weren't you the one demanding context? Do you actually think a long-time Hollywood guy would throw that word around in a room full of black people? It was clearly in the same context about controversial words.
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Weren't you the one demanding context? Do you actually think a long-time Hollywood guy would throw that word around in a room full of black people? It was clearly in the same context about controversial words.
Oh so you were in that room then. Why didn't you say so?
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You seriously want to know what a guiding principle behind apologies is? You apologize when you have done something you should not have done which has caused offense or harm. How hard is that?
Not hard. The person seems to have done that though.
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fired? depends on how the N word was used.