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Beyond Politics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Michael Hardner on May 23, 2018, 08:21:10 am
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http://www.visualcapitalist.com/chart-18-types-media-sorted-adoption-rate-2018/?utm_source=linkedIn&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialWarfare
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Where does "work" fit in the above chart?
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Where does "work" fit in the above chart?
Yeah. I'm assuming "tech consumption" includes just being on a PC or other tech, which accounts for a lot of jobs obviously.
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Yeah... not sure why computer wasn't there. I do all of them except for the bottom row... and I have satellite radio and podcasts.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE-nU6yeJ20
Good and fairly recent conversation about social media and new media. They echo things I have been thinking about the arrival of radio, TV and Cable and how they arrived into our living rooms.
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Where does "work" fit in the above chart?
Don't forget the marine world of GPS, radios, plotters, radars, satellite phones...much if not all can or is integrated thru a computer.
I recall a boat I worked on early in my career when electronics were still dominated by technology using vacuum tubes - really old school stuff. The direction finder used so much power the skipper would have to turn virtually everything else off lest he drain the battery. We'd use the Big Phone to pick up radio broadcasts from all over North America and the Pacific. Wheelhouses became roomier places with transistors and smaller more compact electronics.
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1. Don't forget the marine world of GPS, radios, plotters, radars, satellite phones...much if not all can or is integrated thru a computer.
2. I recall a boat I worked on early in my career when electronics were still dominated by technology using vacuum tubes - really old school stuff. The direction finder used so much power the skipper would have to turn virtually everything else off lest he drain the battery. We'd use the Big Phone to pick up radio broadcasts from all over North America and the Pacific. Wheelhouses became roomier places with transistors and smaller more compact electronics.
1. Hmmm... Most of what you posted is on computer but ok. I'm reminded of my old uncle a HAM operator who in the era of the internet was concerned about amateur radio operators using MORSE CODE to send curse words... because children might intercept the messages 🤔
2. The thing about media progress is that something is always left behind and something is rediscovered - this is McLuhan's wisdom, the tetrad of media laws. Those old tubes used to be able to get signals from the Gulf of Mexico into Toronto. In the 1950s the cars would all park together and the teens would listen to Detroit radio...
Other example - when TV arrived they showed old movies - which had almost been forgotten because the movie theatres wouldn't bother showing them anymore. Well the films hung around so movies people thought were gone forever were back on.
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When major media shifts happen, in terms of channels of delivery, it unleashes nascent and latent emotions (like anger) that were always there but were controlled by the dominant media. Social Media allows people to beam their anger out to the world and a seismic shift happens.
So - Charlottesville, BLM, LGBTQ, Arab Spring, Saudi Reforms... are all happening over the same media landscape.
If you want a model - look to Martin Luther who used the "new" media of the printing press to challenge the Catholic Church and unleash nascent anger and resentment over their corruption.
And radio, telegraph, television, Cable all had different versions of this when they showed up. I suggest you read the short and artful "The Medium is the Massage" by Marshall McLuhan and Quentin Fiore. It's a good explanation for the higher forces at work/play
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"The one thing the fish knows exactly nothing about is water" - McLuhan
WE are the fish ;)
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I saw Rex Murphy was trending and it's because of another dumbass column and not because he's dead, what a letdown.
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Rebel News tried to get on the government to qualify it as a "Canadian journalism organization" so it could give subscribers a digital news subscription tax credit but their bid was rejected because they don't produce enough original Canadian content and what they do produce is too one-sided to be considered journalism. Naturally they are grifting off this already, claiming Trudeau revoked their broadcast license (lol).
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Rebel News tried to get on the government to qualify it as a "Canadian journalism organization" so it could give subscribers a digital news subscription tax credit but their bid was rejected because they don't produce enough original Canadian content and what they do produce is too one-sided to be considered journalism. Naturally they are grifting off this already, claiming Trudeau revoked their broadcast license (lol).
quite unsurprisingly in another thread, member Retro parroted the Rebel News take:
A secret board of Trudeau government advisors has terminated Rebel News’ licence renewal. Nothing says freedom more than the government in power deciding who can be a journalist and who can’t! 😂🤣 Freedom!!!!
of course there is no such thing as a federal "Journalism License"! As for the claimed, "secret board" terminating Rebel News license renewal, the board in question is the, "Independent Advisory Board on eligibility for journalism tax measures"; with mandate & members detailed below:
(https://i.imgur.com/sKNWBb3.gif)
it was this Independent Advisory Board that ruled Rebel News didn't produce enough "original content" to qualify as a "Canadian journalism organization" in order to be allowed to provide subscribers a digital news subscription tax credit. Of course Rebel News is a tad upset that they don't qualify as a legitimate news organization and, accordingly, can't issue donation receipts in the same way charities can, making donations to Rebel News not tax deductible.
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Begging for government scraps... when they get a no, they frame it as oppression and fundraise on it.
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Does Tucker Carlson want to tell us something?
(https://twitter.com/illmatic808/status/1516478629491867649?s=20&t=QMP34rYS7MOQzUxbgjYFvA)
I've seen more subtle stuff by Tom of Finland.
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CNN+ shutting down a month after is started! Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa!
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OAN (One America News) needs a whiteKnight... hey now Retro, get after your boy Elon, hey!
(https://i.insider.com/5db71520dee019707d69aed6?width=1200&format=jpeg)
DirecTV — by far OAN’s largest carrier accounts for about 90% of OAN’s revenue. DirecTV dropped OAN today {April 5th}, rejecting GOP pleas to keep right-wing network (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/04/directv-dropped-oan-today-rejecting-gop-pleas-to-keep-right-wing-network/)
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L/liberal media - fer sure!
(https://i.imgur.com/mAp9Rxg.jpg)
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They want to get rid of the CBC and replace it with FOX News.
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L/liberal media - fer sure!
(https://i.imgur.com/mAp9Rxg.jpg)
Now do television.
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They want to get rid of the CBC and replace it with FOX News.
The CBC is a propoganda channel. So is FOX
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Television doesn't have editorial.
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Television doesn't have editorial.
How do classify Hannity, Carlson, and Rex Murphy when he was on the National?
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How do classify Hannity, Carlson, and Rex Murphy when he was on the National?
Sorry Canadian TV doesn't.
I don't think Murphy was given time to air opinions on The National but maybe he was?
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The CBC is a propoganda channel. So is FOX
I bet even the freakin' periodic table is propaganda.
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Sorry Canadian TV doesn't.
I don't think Murphy was given time to air opinions on The National but maybe he was?
That's all he did
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That's all he did
Ok. Well I don't remember any controversy at all in those days. Odd.
I don't think television warrants a mention in Canada, given that Murphy's ex-editorial piece was cancelled years ago (due to conflict of interest as I now recall) and we don't have more examples there.
If we want to talk about inherent bias then that's a different conversation than editorial content.
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He expressed normal, uncontroversial conservative views then, back when those still existed.
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Was he on every night ? For how many minutes ?
I can do a formula for how much CONSERVATIVE EDITORIAL the CBC pushed on THE PEOPLE.
But I guarantee it's < the number of insect parts allowed as determined by the health dept.
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Was he on every night ? For how many minutes ?
I can do a formula for how much CONSERVATIVE EDITORIAL the CBC pushed on THE PEOPLE.
But I guarantee it's < the number of insect parts allowed as determined by the health dept.
So you think the CBC has some obligation to represent all views, no matter how batshit crazy? Or should the CBC reflect mainstream Canada, like it does regardless of which government is in power?
Folks like Graham like to spew slogans about the cbc, but when asked specifics they will hide in their basements.
CBC broke multiple scandals by Liberal governments in the past. That doesn’t sound like propaganda. Maybe Graham can give us a specific example…..
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I don't know how you got this from my post Squid.
I'm discussing media bias on television with Bubber....
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Was he on every night ? For how many minutes ?
He was on the National every week if I remember right as well as being a regular on various panels. He had his own show on CBC Radio one for two decades.
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He was on the National every week if I remember right as well as being a regular on various panels. He had his own show on CBC Radio one for two decades.
So the % of editorial on CBC per week (for that brief period) would be:
(# of minutes Rex's Editorial was on TV per week / 60 * 24 * 7)
And unless someone volunteers that Global and CTV have editorial we can divide that % by 3.
By my calculation if Rex's editorial was about 3 hours per week then we are at 1% of television is editorial.
Back to the Original Post - the WALDO is correct... media is not dominated by left wing opinions...
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So the % of editorial on CBC per week (for that brief period) would be:
(# of minutes Rex's Editorial was on TV per week / 60 * 24 * 7)
And unless someone volunteers that Global and CTV have editorial we can divide that % by 3.
By my calculation if Rex's editorial was about 3 hours per week then we are at 1% of television is editorial.
Back to the Original Post - the WALDO is correct... media is not dominated by left wing opinions...
All of it is editorial, really.
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All of it is editorial, really.
Postmodern analysis says... yes.
I'm kind of a postmodern guy some of the time
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Postmodern analysis says... yes.
I'm kind of a postmodern guy some of the time
Eh, it's not postmodernism at all, it's just media literacy.
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Eh, it's not postmodernism at all, it's just media literacy.
I think that there's a classic division between news and editorial - and to say there is no division is a kind of postmodern relativism.
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I think that there's a classic division between news and editorial - and to say there is no division is a kind of postmodern relativism.
It's a branding exercise, nothing more.
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So the % of editorial on CBC per week (for that brief period) would be:
(# of minutes Rex's Editorial was on TV per week / 60 * 24 * 7)
And unless someone volunteers that Global and CTV have editorial we can divide that % by 3.
By my calculation if Rex's editorial was about 3 hours per week then we are at 1% of television is editorial.
Back to the Original Post - the WALDO is correct... media is not dominated by left wing opinions...
It depends on the medium. Radio is mostly rightwing. Most newspapers in Canada learn right. Newspapers in the USA seem mixed. Television leans left. The film industry leans left. Music industry leans left, besides maybe country music.
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Eh, it's not postmodernism at all, it's just media literacy.
You're both right
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All corporate media is right wing. Some are just far right
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Since the pandemic waned, I've really noticed an uptick in corporate propaganda masquerading as news or maybe they're just getting worse at hiding it. Stories about how WFH is bad, how commuting is good and most recently a spate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/08/21/quiet-quitting-what-to-know/) of articles (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1562058025036582913) about so-called "Quiet Quitting" aka just doing what you're paid to do.
Stuff like this really underscores how absurd the complaints about the "liberal MSM" are. The media is a servant of capital as much as our elected officials and most of our institutions.
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Stuff like this really underscores how absurd the complaints about the "liberal MSM" are. The media is a servant of capital as much as our elected officials and most of our institutions.
Depends the kind of media. ie: Radio tends to be more conservative, Hollywood tends to be liberal etc
It also depends on what is meant by "liberal". Media tends to lean more right economically and tends to lean more left socially.
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Economically... matters more.
Disney might show two girls kissing but they'll never show a collective action like a union.
There's a media worthy kid who formed a union at Amazon. An amazing David and Goliath story.
Hey wait... Why isn't the leftist media covering this.
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Economically... matters more.
Disney might show two girls kissing but they'll never show a collective action like a union.
There's a media worthy kid who formed a union at Amazon. An amazing David and Goliath story.
Hey wait... Why isn't the leftist media covering this.
What matters more is a subjective matter of perspective. I think economics and culture are both important. There is no doubt we have been brainwashed by the media economically and socially since birth.
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Depends the kind of media. ie: Radio tends to be more conservative, Hollywood tends to be liberal etc
It also depends on what is meant by "liberal". Media tends to lean more right economically and tends to lean more left socially.
Theres no actual division between social and economic issues. Also, liberal and conservative are the same product in different packaging. Both exist to uphold the status quo and both will lurch into fascism to protect the interests of capital.
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Economically... matters more.
Disney might show two girls kissing but they'll never show a collective action like a union.
I saw Newsies on Broadway as well as the original Christian Bale film.
I recommend checking out the Broadway video of Seize the Day first. Awesome dancing, catchy song, and it's all about the power of the union.
Disney will put out anything that makes money.
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Theres no actual division between social and economic issues. Also, liberal and conservative are the same product in different packaging. Both exist to uphold the status quo and both will lurch into fascism to protect the interests of capital.
I don't think this reflects ideology much. For politicians the politics of winning and staying in power mean paying off the people who pay the campaign bills, regardless of ideological leanings. Also, CNN editors might have political leanings but CNN largely wants to make money. Money = power.
Also by fascism i assume you mean authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
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I don't think this reflects ideology much. For politicians the politics of winning and staying in power mean paying off the people who pay the campaign bills, regardless of ideological leanings. Also, CNN editors might have political leanings but CNN largely wants to make money. Money = power.
That's an ideology though.
Also by fascism i assume you mean authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
No I mean specifically right-wing authoritarianism.
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What matters more is a subjective matter of perspective. I think economics and culture are both important. There is no doubt we have been brainwashed by the media economically and socially since birth.
Ok, but even if they were equally important, how much serious discussion happens on the economic side in the mainstream ?
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Ok, but even if they were equally important, how much serious discussion happens on the economic side in the mainstream ?
I don't disagree with you or anyone who says the media protects the interests of big corps and capital, so fair point.
America is brainwashed on the economic side without a doubt. Trump and Bernie Sanders wanted to change the neoliberal status quo and the media burned them at the stake, and the old guard within the GOP have wanted to destroy Trump since the beginning, and I doubt it's because he says dumb racist sh!t. You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization.
So I still say the media mostly leans left socially (most media comes out of NYC and LA, so not surprising) while leaning right economically, because these corps have an interest in the latter as we all seem to agree. Gay marriage doesn't really affect the bottom line so they're free to push whatever social views they want.
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And identity politics is a stand-in for the more boring and complex discussions we should have.
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You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization..
Again, not just a movie but also a delightful Broadway play. You'd like it. It's cast almost exclusively by white guys, so you know it was based on merit.
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I don't disagree with you or anyone who says the media protects the interests of big corps and capital, so fair point.
America is brainwashed on the economic side without a doubt. Trump and Bernie Sanders wanted to change the neoliberal status quo and the media burned them at the stake, and the old guard within the GOP have wanted to destroy Trump since the beginning, and I doubt it's because he says dumb racist sh!t. You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization.
So I still say the media mostly leans left socially (most media comes out of NYC and LA, so not surprising) while leaning right economically, because these corps have an interest in the latter as we all seem to agree. Gay marriage doesn't really affect the bottom line so they're free to push whatever social views they want.
I still maintain the division between social issues and economic ones is arbitrary and allows corporations to make symbolic gestures of support to progressive causes like LGBTQ and BLM while doing nothing to actually make institutional or systemic changes and I suspect you would agree there.
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Again, not just a movie but also a delightful Broadway play. You'd like it. It's cast almost exclusively by white guys, so you know it was based on merit.
Well this references another problem with diversity hires. Even if minorities are hired soley on merit some will still assume they aren't.
Obama was elected twice over 2 of the most decent white male (and GOP) politicians of modern times. And Hillary would have won if she wasn't such a cold crooked crusty hag. Most Americans probably aren't as racist or sexist as we think, and the ones that are probably aren't going to head companies that install diversity quotas anyways.
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You don't think, perhaps, the perception that Hillary was a cold, crooked, crusty hag was (just maybe) rooted in misogyny?
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An online gullibility test! I scored 100%. Of course, some would say the questions are biased towards those who don't believe random conspiracy theories.
https://yourmist.streamlit.app/
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You don't think, perhaps, the perception that Hillary was a cold, crooked, crusty hag was (just maybe) rooted in misogyny?
No.
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An online gullibility test! I scored 100%. Of course, some would say the questions are biased towards those who don't believe random conspiracy theories.
https://yourmist.streamlit.app/
You're 100% gullible?
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Your MIST-20 results: 19/20
I don't know which one I got wrong. Probably the Moroccan King one.
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You're 100% gullible?
Is anyone really surprised? I mean, he still thinks the Steele dossier is legit! 😂
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Is anyone really surprised? I mean, he still thinks the Steele dossier is legit! 😂
Did you wet your pants in rage when it identified many of your deeply held beliefs to be false?
And are you saying you don't believe the p!ss tape was real? Really?
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Did you wet your pants in rage when it identified many of your deeply held beliefs to be false?
And are you saying you don't believe the p!ss tape was real? Really?
You must have been devastated when even places like CNN started to question its validity.
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You refuse to answer the question? Weird.
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Your MIST-20 results: 19/20
I don't know which one I got wrong. Probably the Moroccan King one.
I also got 19/20. I'm pretty sure the one I got wrong was about Zuck being a lizard-person. But I swear he looks like a lizard-person.
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I went to take the test but it looked fishy and I confirmed on Twitter that it's a mind control experiment designed by a Clinton pedo ring.
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I also got 19/20. I'm pretty sure the one I got wrong was about Zuck being a lizard-person. But I swear he looks like a lizard-person.
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Very true.
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Not much of a secret
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Rupert Murdoch steps down as chair of Fox, News Corp (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/rupert-murdoch-fox-news-chairman-resign-1.6973764)
One of the worst people to ever live, hope he dies soon.
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Rupert Murdoch steps down as chair of Fox, News Corp (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/rupert-murdoch-fox-news-chairman-resign-1.6973764)
One of the worst people to ever live, hope he dies soon.
Ditto for you.
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Ditto for you.
Is there a repulsive billionaire whose balls you won't chug?
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Is there a repulsive billionaire whose balls you won't chug?
LOL, not wishing death on someone is chugging huh? You're so f*cked up I almost feel sorry for you. You're serial killer type stuff.
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LOL, not wishing death on someone is chugging huh? You're so f*cked up I almost feel sorry for you. You're serial killer type stuff.
Given the number of times you've wished death on me, this is another spectacular demonstration of your hypocrisy and stupidity.
(FTR I hope someone breaks into your shitty basement apartment and beats you to death with a hammer. )
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Given the number of times you've wished death on me, this is another spectacular demonstration of your hypocrisy and stupidity.
(FTR I hope someone breaks into your shitty basement apartment and beats you to death with a hammer. )
Nah, I do that because you can’t stand the taste of your own medicine. Now go f**k a pig, pig f**ker.
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Also I think it’s cute that your butt buddy likes your posts. 😂😂😂
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You, sir, are my butt buddy and don't you forget it
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Nah, I do that because you can’t stand the taste of your own medicine. Now go f**k a pig, pig f**ker.
Why are you telling me to f**k your mom?
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Also I think it’s cute that your butt buddy likes your posts. 😂😂😂
I think it's sad that nobody likes yours no matter how much you suck up to people on here lol.
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Why are you telling me to f**k your mom?
It was a reference to your wife. It should’ve been a no brainer. Sheesh.
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It was a reference to your wife. It should’ve been a no brainer. Sheesh.
You know what they say: if you have to explain a joke, you should drink a pint of battery acid and die.
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You know what they say: if you have to explain a joke, you should drink a pint of battery acid and die.
It could’ve been a reference to your kids too. Either way.
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A fitting announcement for Rupert.
Garnished with bitter insults 😆
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It could’ve been a reference to your kids too. Either way.
You think about f*cking kids?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFcf3GMiPis
Naomi Klein apparently reads my posts, calls for a PUBLIC social media...
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Naomi Klein apparently reads my posts, calls for a PUBLIC social media...
Government controlled social media, what could go wrong?
How about government regulated rather than government owned/run/controlled? You could ban or restrict algorithms, or whatever.
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Government controlled social media, what could go wrong?
How about government regulated rather than government owned/run/controlled? You could ban or restrict algorithms, or whatever.
That would be ok, but American autistic Billionaires deciding whether we can discuss national politics in Canada seems off...
I see public media as keeping corporate media in check.
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That would be ok, but American autistic Billionaires deciding whether we can discuss national politics in Canada seems off...
I see public media as keeping corporate media in check.
Is government regulating our opinions even constitutional? Whether via regulations or public media?
I say keep them out of it.
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Is government regulating our opinions even constitutional? Whether via regulations or public media?
I say keep them out of it.
Does the CBC "regulate" our opinions?
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Does the CBC "regulate" our opinions?
In comment sections, yes. In fact CBC News often offers no comment sections for articles with controversial topics (ie identity politics). But CBC is a top-down news and media outlet, not a social media outlet, which are very different. Them publishing their own content is much different than ordinary people everywhere publishing content.
My preference would be something like Wikipedia or Firefox. No profit motive, no government.
Something like twitter can work if its rules are made (and moderated) correctly and without political bias. The bar for speech should be something close to or equating the legal threshold minus activity that fundamentally interrupts the platform (spam, bots etc).
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In comment sections, yes. In fact CBC News often offers no comment sections for articles with controversial topics (ie identity politics). But CBC is a top-down news and media outlet, not a social media outlet, which are very different. Them publishing their own content is much different than ordinary people everywhere publishing content.
My preference would be something like Wikipedia or Firefox. No profit motive, no government.
Something like twitter can work if its rules are made (and moderated) correctly and without political bias. The bar for speech should be something close to or equating the legal threshold minus activity that fundamentally interrupts the platform (spam, bots etc).
I disagree that NOT hosting a conversation is regulating. CBC used to have comments and still does sometimes, as moderated discussion. Is that regulation? If so then corporations are regulating you, not much better than government.
If a non profit emerged as you said, that would be great but let's be honest that the Chuds don't accept Wikipedia either. But ok, we can push for a public option of either flavour. Government could also make it happen more than a non-existent group.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzygX9vmtw&list=WL&index=15
Zeihan probably overstates things and also tends to put too much emphasis on demographics but he's still thought provoking.
This one is interesting to me because he weighs into the Public Sphere at the start (I'm not through it) and says two remarkable things:
-We are not as divided as the media would have us think. And he backs that up with a stat.
-Democratization of media has large effects. THANK YOU. Nobody talks about that enough. Although his example is bizzaro (the telegraph was democratization ? I mean he doesn't use that word but... anyway) his conclusion is compelling: we need another type of institutional response to social media, as libel laws were a response to the telegraph.
This shows he's not a "no government" guy but at least pragmatic and big picture focused.