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Title: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 23, 2018, 08:21:10 am
http://www.visualcapitalist.com/chart-18-types-media-sorted-adoption-rate-2018/?utm_source=linkedIn&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialWarfare

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Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: ?Impact on May 23, 2018, 05:16:13 pm
Where does "work" fit in the above chart?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 23, 2018, 06:04:37 pm
Where does "work" fit in the above chart?

Yeah.  I'm assuming "tech consumption" includes just being on a PC or other tech, which accounts for a lot of jobs obviously.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 23, 2018, 07:11:07 pm
Yeah... not sure why computer wasn't there.  I do all of them except for the bottom row... and I have satellite radio and podcasts.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 26, 2022, 11:03:34 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE-nU6yeJ20

Good and fairly recent conversation about social media and new media.  They echo things I have been thinking about the arrival of radio, TV and Cable and how they arrived into our living rooms.

Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 26, 2022, 11:21:00 am
Where does "work" fit in the above chart?
Don't forget the marine world of GPS, radios, plotters, radars, satellite phones...much if not all can or is integrated thru a computer.

I recall a boat I worked on early in my career when electronics were still dominated by technology using vacuum tubes - really old school stuff. The direction finder used so much power the skipper would have to turn virtually everything else off lest he drain the battery. We'd use the Big Phone to pick up radio broadcasts from all over North America and the Pacific.  Wheelhouses became roomier places with transistors and smaller more compact electronics. 
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 26, 2022, 12:14:25 pm
1. Don't forget the marine world of GPS, radios, plotters, radars, satellite phones...much if not all can or is integrated thru a computer.

2. I recall a boat I worked on early in my career when electronics were still dominated by technology using vacuum tubes - really old school stuff. The direction finder used so much power the skipper would have to turn virtually everything else off lest he drain the battery. We'd use the Big Phone to pick up radio broadcasts from all over North America and the Pacific.  Wheelhouses became roomier places with transistors and smaller more compact electronics.

1. Hmmm... Most of what you posted is on computer but ok.  I'm reminded of my old uncle a HAM operator who in the era of the internet was concerned about amateur radio operators using MORSE CODE to send curse words... because children might intercept the messages 🤔

2. The thing about media progress is that something is always left behind and something is rediscovered - this is McLuhan's wisdom, the tetrad of media laws.  Those old tubes used to be able to get signals from the Gulf of Mexico into Toronto.  In the 1950s the cars would all park together and the teens would listen to Detroit radio... 

Other example - when TV arrived they showed old movies - which had almost been forgotten because the movie theatres wouldn't bother showing them anymore.  Well the films hung around so movies people thought were gone forever were back on. 
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 27, 2022, 08:49:37 am
When major media shifts happen, in terms of channels of delivery, it unleashes nascent and latent emotions (like anger) that were always there but were controlled by the dominant media.  Social Media allows people to beam their anger out to the world and a seismic shift happens.

So - Charlottesville, BLM, LGBTQ, Arab Spring, Saudi Reforms... are all happening over the same media landscape.

If you want a model - look to Martin Luther who used the "new" media of the printing press to challenge the Catholic Church and unleash nascent anger and resentment over their corruption. 

And radio, telegraph, television, Cable all had different versions of this when they showed up.  I suggest you read the short and artful "The Medium is the Massage" by Marshall McLuhan and Quentin Fiore.  It's a good explanation for the higher forces at work/play

.

"The one thing the fish knows exactly nothing about is water" - McLuhan

WE are the fish ;)
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on March 08, 2022, 03:25:27 pm
I saw Rex Murphy was trending and it's because of another dumbass column and not because he's dead, what a letdown.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on April 08, 2022, 02:38:35 pm
Rebel News tried to get on the government to qualify it as a "Canadian journalism organization" so it could give subscribers a digital news subscription tax credit but their bid was rejected because they don't produce enough original Canadian content and what they do produce is too one-sided to be considered journalism. Naturally they are grifting off this already, claiming Trudeau revoked their broadcast license (lol).
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: waldo on April 09, 2022, 09:36:36 pm
Rebel News tried to get on the government to qualify it as a "Canadian journalism organization" so it could give subscribers a digital news subscription tax credit but their bid was rejected because they don't produce enough original Canadian content and what they do produce is too one-sided to be considered journalism. Naturally they are grifting off this already, claiming Trudeau revoked their broadcast license (lol).

quite unsurprisingly in another thread, member Retro parroted the Rebel News take:

A secret board of Trudeau government advisors has terminated Rebel News’ licence renewal.  Nothing says freedom more than the government in power deciding who can be a journalist and who can’t! 😂🤣 Freedom!!!!

of course there is no such thing as a federal "Journalism License"! As for the claimed, "secret board" terminating Rebel News license renewal, the board in question is the, "Independent Advisory Board on eligibility for journalism tax measures"; with mandate & members detailed below:

(https://i.imgur.com/sKNWBb3.gif)

it was this Independent Advisory Board that ruled Rebel News didn't produce enough "original content" to qualify as a "Canadian journalism organization" in order to be allowed to provide subscribers a digital news subscription tax credit. Of course Rebel News is a tad upset that they don't qualify as a legitimate news organization and, accordingly, can't issue donation receipts in the same way charities can, making donations to Rebel News not tax deductible.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 10, 2022, 12:48:28 pm
Begging for government scraps... when they get a no, they frame it as oppression and fundraise on it.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on April 20, 2022, 02:46:07 pm
Does Tucker Carlson want to tell us something?
 (https://twitter.com/illmatic808/status/1516478629491867649?s=20&t=QMP34rYS7MOQzUxbgjYFvA)

I've seen more subtle stuff by Tom of Finland.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 12:43:39 pm
CNN+ shutting down a month after is started!  Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa!
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: waldo on April 21, 2022, 01:06:26 pm
OAN (One America News) needs a whiteKnight... hey now Retro, get after your boy Elon, hey!

(https://i.insider.com/5db71520dee019707d69aed6?width=1200&format=jpeg)

DirecTV — by far OAN’s largest carrier accounts for about 90% of OAN’s revenue. DirecTV dropped OAN today {April 5th}, rejecting GOP pleas to keep right-wing network (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/04/directv-dropped-oan-today-rejecting-gop-pleas-to-keep-right-wing-network/)
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: waldo on June 18, 2022, 11:14:48 am
L/liberal media - fer sure!

(https://i.imgur.com/mAp9Rxg.jpg)
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 18, 2022, 11:30:23 am
They want to get rid of the CBC and replace it with FOX News.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 18, 2022, 05:18:26 pm
 :-*

L/liberal media - fer sure!

(https://i.imgur.com/mAp9Rxg.jpg)

Now do television.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 18, 2022, 05:20:04 pm
They want to get rid of the CBC and replace it with FOX News.

The CBC is a propoganda channel.  So is FOX
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 19, 2022, 04:54:37 am
Television doesn't have editorial.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on June 19, 2022, 08:46:50 am
Television doesn't have editorial.
How do classify Hannity, Carlson, and Rex Murphy when he was on the National?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 19, 2022, 10:40:17 am
How do classify Hannity, Carlson, and Rex Murphy when he was on the National?
Sorry Canadian TV doesn't.

I don't think Murphy was given time to air opinions on The National but maybe he was?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: eyeball on June 19, 2022, 06:46:09 pm
The CBC is a propoganda channel.  So is FOX
I bet even the freakin' periodic table is propaganda.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on June 20, 2022, 07:19:05 am
Sorry Canadian TV doesn't.

I don't think Murphy was given time to air opinions on The National but maybe he was?
That's all he did
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 20, 2022, 09:14:36 am
That's all he did

Ok.  Well I don't remember any controversy at all in those days.  Odd.

I don't think television warrants a mention in Canada, given that Murphy's ex-editorial piece was cancelled years ago (due to conflict of interest as I now recall) and we don't have more examples there.

If we want to talk about inherent bias then that's a different conversation than editorial content.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on June 20, 2022, 10:10:10 am
He expressed normal, uncontroversial conservative views then, back when those still existed. 
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 20, 2022, 10:36:14 am
Was he on every night ?  For how many minutes ?

I can do a formula for how much CONSERVATIVE EDITORIAL the CBC pushed on THE PEOPLE.

But I guarantee it's < the number of insect parts allowed as determined by the health dept.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 20, 2022, 07:03:55 pm
Was he on every night ?  For how many minutes ?

I can do a formula for how much CONSERVATIVE EDITORIAL the CBC pushed on THE PEOPLE.

But I guarantee it's < the number of insect parts allowed as determined by the health dept.

So you think the CBC has some obligation to represent all views, no matter how batshit crazy?  Or should the CBC reflect mainstream Canada, like it does regardless of which government is in power?

Folks like Graham like to spew slogans about the cbc, but when asked specifics they will hide in their basements.

CBC broke multiple scandals by Liberal governments in the past.  That doesn’t sound like propaganda.  Maybe Graham can give us a specific example…..
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 21, 2022, 05:47:33 am
I don't know how you got this from my post Squid.

I'm discussing media bias on television with Bubber....
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on June 21, 2022, 09:55:22 am
Was he on every night ?  For how many minutes ?

He was on the National every week if I remember right as well as being a regular on various panels. He had his own show on CBC Radio one for two decades.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 21, 2022, 12:19:48 pm
He was on the National every week if I remember right as well as being a regular on various panels. He had his own show on CBC Radio one for two decades.

So the % of editorial on CBC per week (for that brief period) would be:

(# of minutes Rex's Editorial was on TV per week / 60 * 24 * 7)

And unless someone volunteers that Global and CTV have editorial we can divide that % by 3.

By my calculation if Rex's editorial was about 3 hours per week then we are at 1% of television is editorial.

Back to the Original Post - the WALDO is correct... media is not dominated by left wing opinions...

Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on June 21, 2022, 12:25:16 pm
So the % of editorial on CBC per week (for that brief period) would be:

(# of minutes Rex's Editorial was on TV per week / 60 * 24 * 7)

And unless someone volunteers that Global and CTV have editorial we can divide that % by 3.

By my calculation if Rex's editorial was about 3 hours per week then we are at 1% of television is editorial.

Back to the Original Post - the WALDO is correct... media is not dominated by left wing opinions...

All of it is editorial, really.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 21, 2022, 12:29:57 pm
All of it is editorial, really.

Postmodern analysis says... yes.

I'm kind of a postmodern guy some of the time
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on June 21, 2022, 12:43:36 pm
Postmodern analysis says... yes.

I'm kind of a postmodern guy some of the time

Eh, it's not postmodernism at all, it's just media literacy.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on June 21, 2022, 01:18:33 pm
Eh, it's not postmodernism at all, it's just media literacy.

I think that there's a classic division between news and editorial - and to say there is no division is a kind of postmodern relativism.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on June 21, 2022, 01:44:16 pm
I think that there's a classic division between news and editorial - and to say there is no division is a kind of postmodern relativism.

It's a branding exercise, nothing more.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 21, 2022, 02:16:06 pm
So the % of editorial on CBC per week (for that brief period) would be:

(# of minutes Rex's Editorial was on TV per week / 60 * 24 * 7)

And unless someone volunteers that Global and CTV have editorial we can divide that % by 3.

By my calculation if Rex's editorial was about 3 hours per week then we are at 1% of television is editorial.

Back to the Original Post - the WALDO is correct... media is not dominated by left wing opinions...

It depends on the medium.   Radio is mostly rightwing.  Most newspapers in Canada learn right.   Newspapers in the USA seem mixed.  Television leans left.  The film industry leans left.  Music industry leans left, besides maybe country music.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 21, 2022, 02:20:02 pm
 :-\
Eh, it's not postmodernism at all, it's just media literacy.

You're both right
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on June 21, 2022, 03:18:12 pm
All corporate media is right wing. Some are just far right
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on August 23, 2022, 01:13:26 pm
Since the pandemic waned, I've really noticed an uptick in corporate propaganda masquerading as news or maybe they're just getting worse at hiding it. Stories about how WFH is bad, how commuting is good and most recently a spate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/08/21/quiet-quitting-what-to-know/) of articles (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1562058025036582913) about so-called "Quiet Quitting" aka just doing what you're paid to do.

Stuff like this really underscores how absurd the complaints about the "liberal MSM" are. The media is a servant of capital as much as our elected officials and most of our institutions.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 23, 2022, 07:14:25 pm
Stuff like this really underscores how absurd the complaints about the "liberal MSM" are. The media is a servant of capital as much as our elected officials and most of our institutions.

Depends the kind of media.  ie: Radio tends to be more conservative, Hollywood tends to be liberal etc

It also depends on what is meant by "liberal".  Media tends to lean more right economically and tends to lean more left socially.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on August 23, 2022, 07:43:36 pm
Economically... matters more.

Disney might show two girls kissing but they'll never show a collective action like a union.

There's a media worthy kid who formed a union at Amazon.  An amazing David and Goliath story.

Hey wait... Why isn't the leftist media covering this.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 23, 2022, 08:02:41 pm
Economically... matters more.

Disney might show two girls kissing but they'll never show a collective action like a union.

There's a media worthy kid who formed a union at Amazon.  An amazing David and Goliath story.

Hey wait... Why isn't the leftist media covering this.

What matters more is a subjective matter of perspective.  I think economics and culture are both important.  There is no doubt we have been brainwashed by the media economically and socially since birth.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on August 23, 2022, 08:17:35 pm
Depends the kind of media.  ie: Radio tends to be more conservative, Hollywood tends to be liberal etc

It also depends on what is meant by "liberal".  Media tends to lean more right economically and tends to lean more left socially.

Theres no actual division between social and economic issues. Also, liberal and conservative are the same product in different packaging. Both exist to uphold the status quo and both will lurch into fascism to protect the interests of capital.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on August 23, 2022, 08:32:15 pm
Economically... matters more.

Disney might show two girls kissing but they'll never show a collective action like a union.
I saw Newsies on Broadway as well as the original Christian Bale film.
I recommend checking out the Broadway video of Seize the Day first. Awesome dancing, catchy song, and it's all about the power of the union.
Disney will put out anything that makes money.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 23, 2022, 08:46:58 pm
Theres no actual division between social and economic issues. Also, liberal and conservative are the same product in different packaging. Both exist to uphold the status quo and both will lurch into fascism to protect the interests of capital.

I don't think this reflects ideology much.  For politicians the politics of winning and staying in power mean paying off the people who pay the campaign bills, regardless of ideological leanings.  Also, CNN editors might have political leanings but CNN largely wants to make money.  Money = power.

Also by fascism i assume you mean authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on August 24, 2022, 09:41:06 am
I don't think this reflects ideology much.  For politicians the politics of winning and staying in power mean paying off the people who pay the campaign bills, regardless of ideological leanings.  Also, CNN editors might have political leanings but CNN largely wants to make money.  Money = power.

That's an ideology though.

Quote
Also by fascism i assume you mean authoritarianism/totalitarianism.

No I mean specifically right-wing authoritarianism.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on August 24, 2022, 09:21:24 pm
What matters more is a subjective matter of perspective.  I think economics and culture are both important.  There is no doubt we have been brainwashed by the media economically and socially since birth.

Ok, but even if they were equally important, how much serious discussion happens on the economic side in the mainstream ?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 24, 2022, 09:52:40 pm
Ok, but even if they were equally important, how much serious discussion happens on the economic side in the mainstream ?

I don't disagree with you or anyone who says the media protects the interests of big corps and capital, so fair point.

America is brainwashed on the economic side without a doubt.  Trump and Bernie Sanders wanted to change the neoliberal status quo and the media burned them at the stake, and the old guard within the GOP have wanted to destroy Trump since the beginning, and I doubt it's because he says dumb racist sh!t.  You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization.

So I still say the media mostly leans left socially (most media comes out of NYC and LA, so not surprising) while leaning right economically, because these corps have an interest in the latter as we all seem to agree.  Gay marriage doesn't really affect the bottom line so they're free to push whatever social views they want.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on August 25, 2022, 06:32:46 am
And identity politics is a stand-in for the more boring and complex discussions we should have.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on August 25, 2022, 07:11:22 am
You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization..
Again, not just a movie but also a delightful Broadway play. You'd like it. It's cast almost exclusively by white guys, so you know it was based on merit.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on August 25, 2022, 09:49:50 am
I don't disagree with you or anyone who says the media protects the interests of big corps and capital, so fair point.

America is brainwashed on the economic side without a doubt.  Trump and Bernie Sanders wanted to change the neoliberal status quo and the media burned them at the stake, and the old guard within the GOP have wanted to destroy Trump since the beginning, and I doubt it's because he says dumb racist sh!t.  You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization.

So I still say the media mostly leans left socially (most media comes out of NYC and LA, so not surprising) while leaning right economically, because these corps have an interest in the latter as we all seem to agree.  Gay marriage doesn't really affect the bottom line so they're free to push whatever social views they want.


I still maintain the division between social issues and economic ones is arbitrary and allows corporations to make symbolic gestures of support to progressive causes like LGBTQ and BLM while doing nothing to actually make institutional or systemic changes and I suspect you would agree there.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 25, 2022, 07:53:57 pm
Again, not just a movie but also a delightful Broadway play. You'd like it. It's cast almost exclusively by white guys, so you know it was based on merit.

Well this references another problem with diversity hires.  Even if minorities are hired soley on merit some will still assume they aren't.

Obama was elected twice over 2 of the most decent white male (and GOP) politicians of modern times.  And Hillary would have won if she wasn't such a cold crooked crusty hag.  Most Americans probably aren't as racist or sexist as we think, and the ones that are probably aren't going to head companies that install diversity quotas anyways.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on August 25, 2022, 07:58:47 pm
You don't think, perhaps, the perception that Hillary was a cold, crooked, crusty hag was (just maybe) rooted in misogyny?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on July 24, 2023, 04:23:52 pm
An online gullibility test! I scored 100%. Of course, some would say the questions are biased towards those who don't believe random conspiracy theories.

https://yourmist.streamlit.app/
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 24, 2023, 07:00:04 pm
You don't think, perhaps, the perception that Hillary was a cold, crooked, crusty hag was (just maybe) rooted in misogyny?

No.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 24, 2023, 07:00:38 pm
An online gullibility test! I scored 100%. Of course, some would say the questions are biased towards those who don't believe random conspiracy theories.

https://yourmist.streamlit.app/

You're 100% gullible?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest7 on July 24, 2023, 07:03:25 pm
Your MIST-20 results: 19/20

I don't know which one I got wrong.  Probably the Moroccan King one.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 07:05:40 pm
You're 100% gullible?
Is anyone really surprised?  I mean, he still thinks the Steele dossier is legit! 😂
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on July 24, 2023, 07:09:04 pm
Is anyone really surprised?  I mean, he still thinks the Steele dossier is legit! 😂
Did you wet your pants in rage when it identified many of your deeply held beliefs to be false?

And are you saying you don't believe the p!ss tape was real? Really?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 07:13:47 pm
Did you wet your pants in rage when it identified many of your deeply held beliefs to be false?

And are you saying you don't believe the p!ss tape was real? Really?
You must have been devastated when even places like CNN started to question its validity.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on July 24, 2023, 08:02:04 pm
You refuse to answer the question? Weird.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: kimmy on July 25, 2023, 12:05:16 am
Your MIST-20 results: 19/20

I don't know which one I got wrong.  Probably the Moroccan King one.

I also got 19/20.  I'm pretty sure the one I got wrong was about Zuck being a lizard-person. But I swear he looks like a lizard-person.

 -k
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 25, 2023, 12:10:52 am
I went to take the test but it looked fishy and I confirmed on Twitter that it's a mind control experiment designed by a Clinton pedo ring.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 25, 2023, 09:52:05 am
I also got 19/20.  I'm pretty sure the one I got wrong was about Zuck being a lizard-person. But I swear he looks like a lizard-person.

 -k
Very true.

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Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 25, 2023, 02:56:19 pm
Not much of a secret
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2023, 01:53:50 pm
Rupert Murdoch steps down as chair of Fox, News Corp (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/rupert-murdoch-fox-news-chairman-resign-1.6973764)

One of the worst people to ever live, hope he dies soon.

Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2023, 02:33:01 pm
Rupert Murdoch steps down as chair of Fox, News Corp (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/rupert-murdoch-fox-news-chairman-resign-1.6973764)

One of the worst people to ever live, hope he dies soon.
Ditto for you.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2023, 02:36:29 pm
Ditto for you.

Is there a repulsive billionaire whose balls you won't chug?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2023, 02:58:51 pm
Is there a repulsive billionaire whose balls you won't chug?
LOL, not wishing death on someone is chugging huh?  You're so f*cked up I almost feel sorry for you.  You're serial killer type stuff.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2023, 03:18:57 pm
LOL, not wishing death on someone is chugging huh?  You're so f*cked up I almost feel sorry for you.  You're serial killer type stuff.

Given the number of times you've wished death on me, this is another spectacular demonstration of your hypocrisy and stupidity.

(FTR I hope someone breaks into your shitty basement apartment and beats you to death with a hammer. )
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2023, 03:46:40 pm
Given the number of times you've wished death on me, this is another spectacular demonstration of your hypocrisy and stupidity.

(FTR I hope someone breaks into your shitty basement apartment and beats you to death with a hammer. )
Nah, I do that because you can’t stand the taste of your own medicine.  Now go f**k a pig, pig f**ker.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2023, 03:47:25 pm
Also I think it’s cute that your butt buddy likes your posts. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2023, 04:09:37 pm
You, sir, are my butt buddy and don't you forget it
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2023, 04:23:38 pm
Nah, I do that because you can’t stand the taste of your own medicine.  Now go f**k a pig, pig f**ker.

Why are you telling me to f**k your mom?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2023, 04:32:13 pm
Also I think it’s cute that your butt buddy likes your posts. 😂😂😂

I think it's sad that nobody likes yours no matter how much you suck up to people on here lol.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2023, 04:34:05 pm
Why are you telling me to f**k your mom?
It was a reference to your wife.  It should’ve been a no brainer.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2023, 04:53:03 pm
It was a reference to your wife.  It should’ve been a no brainer.  Sheesh.

You know what they say: if you have to explain a joke, you should drink a pint of battery acid and die.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2023, 05:38:41 pm
You know what they say: if you have to explain a joke, you should drink a pint of battery acid and die.
It could’ve been a reference to your kids too.  Either way.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on September 21, 2023, 05:40:44 pm
A fitting announcement for Rupert.

Garnished with bitter insults 😆
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2023, 08:04:21 pm
It could’ve been a reference to your kids too.  Either way.

You think about f*cking kids?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 10, 2023, 10:14:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFcf3GMiPis

Naomi Klein apparently reads my posts, calls for a PUBLIC social media...
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 10, 2023, 06:50:23 pm

Naomi Klein apparently reads my posts, calls for a PUBLIC social media...

Government controlled social media, what could go wrong?

How about government regulated rather than government owned/run/controlled?  You could ban or restrict algorithms, or whatever.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 11, 2023, 08:38:21 am
Government controlled social media, what could go wrong?

How about government regulated rather than government owned/run/controlled?  You could ban or restrict algorithms, or whatever.

That would be ok, but American autistic Billionaires deciding whether we can discuss national politics in Canada seems off...

I see public media as keeping corporate media in check. 
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 11, 2023, 03:25:39 pm
That would be ok, but American autistic Billionaires deciding whether we can discuss national politics in Canada seems off...

I see public media as keeping corporate media in check.

Is government regulating our opinions even constitutional?  Whether via regulations or public media?

I say keep them out of it.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 11, 2023, 06:10:45 pm
Is government regulating our opinions even constitutional?  Whether via regulations or public media?

I say keep them out of it.

Does the CBC "regulate" our opinions?
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 11, 2023, 06:44:05 pm
Does the CBC "regulate" our opinions?

In comment sections, yes.  In fact CBC News often offers no comment sections for articles with controversial topics (ie identity politics).  But CBC is a top-down news and media outlet, not a social media outlet, which are very different.  Them publishing their own content is much different than ordinary people everywhere publishing content.

My preference would be something like Wikipedia or Firefox.  No profit motive, no government.

Something like twitter can work if its rules are made (and moderated) correctly and without political bias.  The bar for speech should be something close to or equating the legal threshold minus activity that fundamentally interrupts the platform (spam, bots etc).
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 11, 2023, 08:00:06 pm
In comment sections, yes.  In fact CBC News often offers no comment sections for articles with controversial topics (ie identity politics).  But CBC is a top-down news and media outlet, not a social media outlet, which are very different.  Them publishing their own content is much different than ordinary people everywhere publishing content.

My preference would be something like Wikipedia or Firefox.  No profit motive, no government.

Something like twitter can work if its rules are made (and moderated) correctly and without political bias.  The bar for speech should be something close to or equating the legal threshold minus activity that fundamentally interrupts the platform (spam, bots etc).

I disagree that NOT hosting a conversation is regulating.  CBC used to have comments and still does sometimes, as moderated discussion.  Is that regulation?  If so then corporations are regulating you, not much better than government.

If a non profit emerged as you said, that would be great but let's be honest that the Chuds don't accept Wikipedia either.  But ok, we can push for a public option of either flavour.  Government could also make it happen more than a non-existent group.
Title: Re: Media Culture
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 06, 2024, 09:11:38 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzygX9vmtw&list=WL&index=15

Zeihan probably overstates things and also tends to put too much emphasis on demographics but he's still thought provoking.

This one is interesting to me because he weighs into the Public Sphere at the start (I'm not through it) and says two remarkable things:

-We are not as divided as the media would have us think.  And he backs that up with a stat.
-Democratization of media has large effects.  THANK YOU.  Nobody talks about that enough.  Although his example is bizzaro (the telegraph was democratization ?  I mean he doesn't use that word but... anyway) his conclusion is compelling: we need another type of institutional response to social media, as libel laws were a response to the telegraph.

This shows he's not a "no government" guy but at least pragmatic and big picture focused.