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Beyond Canada => The World => Topic started by: Omni on April 19, 2018, 01:52:00 pm

Title: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: Omni on April 19, 2018, 01:52:00 pm
Now this is a bold plan to get the ice back in the arctic. Carnival Tours won't like it since they are now able to run tours through the NW Passage.

"Millions of wind turbines proposed to power Arctic ice-making"



http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/refreeze-ice-cap-bob-mcdonald-1.4102135
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: ?Impact on April 19, 2018, 02:05:41 pm
I think we should take Bob McDonald's advice: A more sensible idea might be to take that $50 billion and put it towards research into alternative energies
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: Omni on April 19, 2018, 02:16:04 pm
I think we should take Bob McDonald's advice: A more sensible idea might be to take that $50 billion and put it towards research into alternative energies

I think I would agree. That's a lot of windmills and I can see them chopping the heads off birds or some other catastrophe. I did hear a comment from a scientist on a radio interview on the issue that suggested that sucking the the water from just below the ice sheet could have a negative effect on certain fish species that navigate those waters. There certainly is a lot of ice missing (over a million sq. km. currently) and of course open sea water absorbs heat from the sun as opposed to ice which reflects it. We may have to teach polar bears how to swim farther. 
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: wilber on April 19, 2018, 09:08:24 pm
Birds shouldn't be a problem if these things only operate in winter, especially if they are located out in the ocean. I can see people getting bent out of shape over spraying sulphur particles all over the arctic though.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: Omni on April 19, 2018, 10:05:41 pm
Birds shouldn't be a problem if these things only operate in winter, especially if they are located out in the ocean. I can see people getting bent out of shape over spraying sulphur particles all over the arctic though.

My understanding is they would place them and then just leave them. If the ice went out from under some them they would simply float around spraying water whenever the wind blew and then refreeze next season. Interesting idea but I think it's a bit far fetched.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: wilber on April 19, 2018, 11:07:47 pm
Geez, they could wind up anywhere.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: Omni on April 19, 2018, 11:20:33 pm
Geez, they could wind up anywhere.

If I happen to see one floating by out in Juan du Fuca I'm getting in my buddy's boat and picking it up. What a great lawn sprinkler it would make.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: wilber on April 19, 2018, 11:47:05 pm
If I happen to see one floating by out in Juan du Fuca I'm getting in my buddy's boat and picking it up. What a great lawn sprinkler it would make.

You would think most of them would wind up beached somewhere.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: Omni on April 20, 2018, 12:25:09 am
You would think most of them would wind up beached somewhere.

I think the plan is they would be sitting on bouys so they might get blown onto a beach but then when the wind swapped the would blow back offshore. I guess if they were successful they wouldn't go far because they'd be sitting on solid ice.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: waldo on April 20, 2018, 04:31:22 am
I think we should take Bob McDonald's advice: A more sensible idea might be to take that $50 billion and put it towards research into alternative energies

clearly, Trump has his eye on "the prize": The U.S. Geological Survey has estimated that up to 30 per cent of the world’s undiscovered gas and 13 per cent of oil waiting to be found are inside the Arctic Circle.

Trump signs order to expand drilling in Arctic, Atlantic oceans --- http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/trump-expands-drilling-arctic-atlantic-ocean-1.4090163

pity the fool that messes with our Canadian sovereignty!

(https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/4281392/thumbs/o-STEPHEN-HARPER-570.jpg?13)
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: MH on April 20, 2018, 05:39:02 am
Has Harper is to Waldo, Clinton is to the Trump Trolls...
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: wilber on April 20, 2018, 09:01:33 am
clearly, Trump has his eye on "the prize": The U.S. Geological Survey has estimated that up to 30 per cent of the world’s undiscovered gas and 13 per cent of oil waiting to be found are inside the Arctic Circle.

Trump signs order to expand drilling in Arctic, Atlantic oceans --- http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/trump-expands-drilling-arctic-atlantic-ocean-1.4090163

pity the fool that messes with our Canadian sovereignty!

(https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/4281392/thumbs/o-STEPHEN-HARPER-570.jpg?13)

I will be breathlessly waiting for Vancouverites to start demonstrating as the Americans start transporting it through our Arctic islands.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: wilber on April 23, 2018, 11:54:50 am
If this was taken this month, The polar sea ice doesn't look very thick for April.


http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-devon-43849529/nuclear-sub-hms-trenchant-breaks-ice-at-north-pole
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 12:00:28 pm
If this was taken this month, The polar sea ice doesn't look very thick for April.

The cameraman better hope they got the location correct
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: Omni on April 23, 2018, 12:19:41 pm
We know that arctic sea ice is rapidly deteriorating but that's the north pole and I'd be nervous about skating on that stuff! 
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 12:32:22 pm
but that's the north pole

How did the helicopter get there in the last second of footage? I thought the max range of a helicopter would be about 1000 miles for the longest ones, and it would be half that to get back to land or ship.
Title: Re: Replacing arctic sea ice
Post by: Omni on April 23, 2018, 12:55:13 pm
How did the helicopter get there in the last second of footage? I thought the max range of a helicopter would be about 1000 miles for the longest ones, and it would be half that to get back to land or ship.

That helicopter I think is a Bell 407 or 429, don't see it well or long enough to be sure but in either case the range would be nowhere near a 1000 miles, (barely half of that) so it must have come off a ship-possibly either a US or Canadian coast guard ice breaker.