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Beyond Canada => The World => Topic started by: Gorgeous Graham on April 15, 2018, 03:38:42 pm

Title: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 15, 2018, 03:38:42 pm
High birthrate and overpopulation is a massive problem, especially in less economically developed countries. It keeps people in poverty, especially mothers and children, and contributes dramatically to CO2 output, environmental degredation, rising worldwide food prices etc.  With improved access to food and medicine and maternal/child health, poorer countries have seen their populations explode in the last 50 years, good examples being China, India, and much of Africa.

Let's say I'm POTUS.  I would propose a global program, funded by the richer mostly western countries, to give everyone in poor countries free access to condoms and birth control bills.  The main string attached being everyone rich and poor and no matter ethnicity/religion etc, should be given unrestricted access.  There's still barriers based on culture and religion for people to actually use the birth control, but it will help.  Why spend all this money on carbon taxes etc when doing something like this will make much more of a difference?
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: TimG on April 15, 2018, 03:45:15 pm
Why spend all this money on carbon taxes etc when doing something like this will make much more of a difference?
Because that would not give alarmists an excuse to lecture people in developed countries for their carbon "sins". Remember that climate change policy is driven by the tenets of the eco-religion rather than common sense.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: msj on April 15, 2018, 03:49:22 pm
How odd.  In the face of rising populations we have seen the greatest decline in poverty rates in these very countries.

We also see China spending as much, or more, on solar power as the ROW combined.

As for giving out birth control: take it up with the religious right everywhere.

Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: TimG on April 15, 2018, 03:54:41 pm
We also see China spending as much, or more, on solar power as the ROW combined.
China spends more than the ROW on almost everything. That does not mean the spending is effective or sustainable in the long run. Note that despite the spending solar supplies a miniscule percentage of China's power and that is not expected to change significantly as the 40 or new nuclear plants come online.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Omni on April 15, 2018, 03:58:57 pm
Because that would not give alarmists an excuse to lecture people in developed countries for their carbon "sins". Remember that climate change policy is driven by the tenets of the eco-religion rather than common sense.

No it's actually driven by the VAST majority of climate scientists. But I would agree that better access to birth control would help. Less people would burn less fossil fuels, and if the economies of over populated countries were improved it would help enable them to support the move away from them, such as the rest of the world is doing.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: wilber on April 15, 2018, 04:11:41 pm
Do both, CO2 emissions aren't the only downside of over population.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Peter F on April 15, 2018, 04:15:08 pm
No it's actually driven by the VAST majority of climate scientists. But I would agree that better access to birth control would help. Less people would burn less fossil fuels, and if the economies of over populated countries were improved it would help enable them to support the move away from them, such as the rest of the world is doing.

Sure, access is fine. However one of the great accomplishments of many lives is the having and raising of children. Thats a tough habit to break and I'm not sure its something that should be broken.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Omni on April 15, 2018, 04:23:30 pm
Sure, access is fine. However one of the great accomplishments of many lives is the having and raising of children. Thats a tough habit to break and I'm not sure its something that should be broken.

I certainly would never suggest stopping people from having children, just allowing them to control the size of their families. I've roamed around certain countries in Africa for instance where you can see the struggles families, (often mostly the mothers) go through with 6 kids. Perhaps if they had 2 and then accessed birth control that situation would improve.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Peter F on April 15, 2018, 04:45:31 pm
Certainly. Poonlight says much the same. I agree.   
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: bcsapper on April 15, 2018, 04:52:06 pm
I would.  But then, I'm worried about climate change.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: BC_cheque on April 15, 2018, 09:23:49 pm
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High birthrate and overpopulation is a massive problem, especially in less economically developed countries. It keeps people in poverty, especially mothers and children, and contributes dramatically to CO2 output, environmental degredation, rising worldwide food prices etc.

People in poverty stricken areas barely have a carbon footprint.  We're the problem, not them.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: bcsapper on April 15, 2018, 09:26:09 pm
People in poverty stricken areas barely have a carbon footprint.  We're the problem, not them.

Hey, I'm not saying we should be special.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: BC_cheque on April 15, 2018, 09:27:06 pm
I was addressing the OP, sorry.  I'll insert a quote to make the distinction.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: TimG on April 15, 2018, 09:29:09 pm
People in poverty stricken areas barely have a carbon footprint.  We're the problem, not them.
David Suzuki himself pointed out that moving people from a low emission society to a high emission society is very bad for CO2 emissions. The planet needs people to be poor and miserable. Embrace the change!
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: guest4 on April 16, 2018, 07:15:40 am
High birthrate and overpopulation is a massive problem, especially in less economically developed countries. It keeps people in poverty, especially mothers and children, and contributes dramatically to CO2 output, environmental degredation, rising worldwide food prices etc.  With improved access to food and medicine and maternal/child health, poorer countries have seen their populations explode in the last 50 years, good examples being China, India, and much of Africa.

Let's say I'm POTUS.  I would propose a global program, funded by the richer mostly western countries, to give everyone in poor countries free access to condoms and birth control bills.  The main string attached being everyone rich and poor and no matter ethnicity/religion etc, should be given unrestricted access.  There's still barriers based on culture and religion for people to actually use the birth control, but it will help.  Why spend all this money on carbon taxes etc when doing something like this will make much more of a difference?

1.  Here is someone who believes world population will begin to shrink in the next 100 years or so, due to increasing wealth in third world countries, leading to improved health and longer lives, which leads to decreased birthrates.  There is already signs that birth rates in these countries have begun to decline. 
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https://youtu.be/2LyzBoHo5EI

2. What turned me off Harper Government was the decision to pull funding to third world clinics that provided birth control and provided family planning information, along with pre-and post-natal care because they also provided abortion.  His reason was because it created controversy, but its odd that that controversy did not stop Democrats or Liberals from providing funding to those clinics.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 16, 2018, 08:26:19 am
Because that would not give alarmists an excuse to lecture people in developed countries for their carbon "sins". Remember that climate change policy is driven by the tenets of the eco-religion rather than common sense.

Go to urban China and take a nice deep breathe of that thick smoggy air.  Mmmm!
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 16, 2018, 08:31:35 am
Sure, access is fine. However one of the great accomplishments of many lives is the having and raising of children. Thats a tough habit to break and I'm not sure its something that should be broken.

Before the birth control pill in the west came in the 60's, women had lots of babies.  The pill allowed them to finally control their ability to have babies, and they chose to have fewer kids.  Before this, it was typical that the man wanted to have sex with his wife, and he did, and that resulted in lots of pregnancies.  If women and couples in developing countries still choose to have lots of kids, they're still free to choose that, nobody's ramming pills down the woman's throat.

Condom access will also help the HIV crisis in Africa.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 16, 2018, 08:42:29 am
People in poverty stricken areas barely have a carbon footprint.  We're the problem, not them.

Much of China is still quite poor, but 1.3 billion people and increasing industrialization mean they produce twice the CO2 than the 2nd place leader (USA).  India has very low carbon output per person but still has 5x the CO2 output than Canada.  Poor people still need to eat, that's a lot of cattle farting LOL.  I'm not saying places like Canada don't need to do their part, but when China alone emits about 30% of the world's total CO2 output it's a problem.  If/when India industrializes (re: reduces its poverty) anywhere near China it's going to be a massive problem for the environment, not just CO2 but simply from a resources consumption perspective too.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: ?Impact on April 16, 2018, 11:47:19 am
If/when India industrializes (re: reduces its poverty) anywhere near China it's going to be a massive problem for the environment

Agreed, because they are following our lead. As leaders we need to assume responsibility and clean up our ways.
Title: Re: West-funded worldwide birth control/contraception program?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on April 17, 2018, 09:20:41 am
Agreed, because they are following our lead. As leaders we need to assume responsibility and clean up our ways.

We need to do better yes, and may create certain norms others will follow along with the technology mostly invented by us, but will India or China be motivated if it's population is much poorer & it's cheaper to burn coal and gasoline?  I see China motivated to clean up because some of its air is disgusting, not much else.