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Title: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: ?Impact on March 21, 2018, 07:23:51 am
The Halton Catholic District School Board is now demanding that non-profits and charities sign a "sanctity of life" declaration or they will no longer provide or facilitate financial donations. This forcing of Catholic doctrine is not acceptable for institutions that receive public funding. Time to have a single public school board is long past.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: Goddess on March 21, 2018, 11:39:50 am
I've said this for years - no Catholic schools, no Islamic schools should be publicly funded.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: wilber on March 21, 2018, 01:05:40 pm
Don't have them in BC. Never understood the concept.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 21, 2018, 02:11:17 pm
WTF is with this religious war happening now.... we've had peace on this since the 1980s.... srsly
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: guest7 on March 21, 2018, 04:57:13 pm
WTF is with this religious war happening now.... we've had peace on this since the 1980s.... srsly

Too much religious accommodation, if you ask me.  Give them an inch, they'll take a mile!

Tell them all to **** off.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: TimG on March 21, 2018, 06:36:31 pm
The Halton Catholic District School Board is now demanding that non-profits and charities sign a "sanctity of life" declaration or they will no longer provide or facilitate financial donations. This forcing of Catholic doctrine is not acceptable for institutions that receive public funding. Time to have a single public school board is long past.
I think Halton SB response is reasonable since the Trudeau government has set the precedent by requiring adherence to ideological principles as a condition of receiving money. That is why it is important to defend the principle that people should be free to disagree with government policy even if they seek access to government resources.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: ?Impact on March 21, 2018, 06:51:43 pm
I think Halton SB response is reasonable since the Trudeau government has set the precedent by requiring adherence to ideological principles as a condition of receiving money.

I agree it is reasonable. They should be allowed to set their own policies, and therefore ineligible for any public funding what-so-ever.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: TimG on March 21, 2018, 07:01:25 pm
I agree it is reasonable. They should be allowed to set their own policies, and therefore ineligible for any public funding what-so-ever.
You missed the part about Trudeau doing the *same damn thing* with public money. Since it is not practical to yank public funding from the federal government what we need instead are *principles* that are applied equally no matter what the ideological stripe of the people in charge. The principle should be "access to funding cannot be contingent upon agreeing with the ideological preferences of the current government".
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: SirJohn on March 21, 2018, 07:05:13 pm
Non starter. It's in the BNA act.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: ?Impact on March 21, 2018, 07:18:13 pm
The principle should be "access to funding cannot be contingent upon agreeing with the ideological preferences of the current government".

Wrong thread; that is not about access to funding, it is about rabid right wing anti-abortion terrorists denying fundamental human rights to others.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: TimG on March 21, 2018, 07:32:31 pm
Wrong thread; that is not about access to funding, it is about rabid right wing anti-abortion terrorists denying fundamental human rights to others.
Sorry, you can't hide your hypocrisy by pretending the issues are not exactly the same. IMO, Trudeau government consists of a bunch rabid left wing anti-religion 'terrorists' bent on denying fundamental human rights to others. If you want to address one you have to address the other.

Aside: note that I am the only one being consistent here. I would like to see the Halton SB drop the requirement but there is no way I would support such a move unless the same principle is applied to *all* governments.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 21, 2018, 07:47:48 pm
Too much religious accommodation, if you ask me.  Give them an inch, they'll take a mile!

Tell them all to **** off.

Ok- start the process of constitutional reform then.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: wilber on March 21, 2018, 08:38:18 pm
After living all my early life in BC, we moved to Alberta during the early seventies. We were surprised to find there was such a thing as a Catholic School Board. All religious schools in BC are private.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 21, 2018, 10:56:46 pm
I dont understand how you can have something as entirely unacademic & unscientific as religion and religious doctrine as the fundamental key component of an education system for children.

I went to a religious school board.  i noticed when I was in university that my science 7 biology classes conveniently never taught any evolution theory to me.  It was never debated, it never came up in classes, the subject of evolution was just entirely ignored like it didn't even exist.  When I got to university and was taking 1st year biology classes the profs were all referencing details of evolution like the basic of natural selection etc as if they assumed all students should have that basic knowledge, but I didn't.  I guess the public school kids did.  I was mad.

To deny high school students fundamental scientific knowledge, especially in biology classes, because some people might get upset should be criminal.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: guest7 on March 22, 2018, 12:08:14 am
Ok- start the process of constitutional reform then.

You talk as though the constitution outlaws opinions...
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 22, 2018, 06:18:48 am
You talk as though the constitution outlaws opinions...

How so ? 

"Tell them to **** off" is a pretty low bar of an opinion.  If there's one thing that I would discourage (not outlaw) it's dull-edged opinions being thrown around in a forum I like.  I have seen several (several) other forums become ghost towns because the quality of post fell...
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: wilber on March 22, 2018, 09:22:24 am
Non starter. It's in the BNA act.

No it isn’t, it is in the BNA act but there is no requirement for government to fund them and only five provinces do.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: guest7 on March 22, 2018, 09:45:15 am
How so ? 

"Tell them to **** off" is a pretty low bar of an opinion.  If there's one thing that I would discourage (not outlaw) it's dull-edged opinions being thrown around in a forum I like.  I have seen several (several) other forums become ghost towns because the quality of post fell...

I can't help it.  Religion has that effect on me.

Think yourself lucky I was actually considering the quality.  It could have been much worse...
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: chilipeppers on March 22, 2018, 10:26:13 am
I don't see any gov't at least in Ontario having the gonads to put a stop to it. 
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: SirJohn on March 22, 2018, 11:41:19 am
No it isn’t, it is in the BNA act but there is no requirement for government to fund them and only five provinces do.

The right to have a publicly funded separate denominational school system continues to be guaranteed to Roman Catholics in Ontario by Section 93 of the 1982 Constitution Act.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_school#Ontario
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: SirJohn on March 22, 2018, 11:44:53 am
I don't see any gov't at least in Ontario having the gonads to put a stop to it.

Why on earth would they? Aside from a few cranks, nobody is going to thank them for it, much less change their votes in approval, but they'll be subjected to the fury of most of the province's nearly four million Roman Catholics and lose all their votes.

Not to mention the constitutional change would be long, complex and filled with lawsuits, and likely the government that initiates it would be voted out of power before it ever came to fruition.
Title: Re: Time to end funding of separate school boards
Post by: wilber on March 22, 2018, 11:56:20 am
The right to have a publicly funded separate denominational school system continues to be guaranteed to Roman Catholics in Ontario by Section 93 of the 1982 Constitution Act.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_school#Ontario

Pity. I'm against public funding for any kind of religious education. Ontario also had some separate schools for blacks until 1965.