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Title: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 27, 2017, 06:18:12 am
Some people think I am weird but I like to challenge myself in every way.  With art, film, music that means trying something new.  I don't know what peoples' regular music tastes on here are but some guesses might be:

SirJohn -> BTO, or Eagles Greatest Hits
Cyber -> Penguin Café Orchestra
JMT -> Fleetwood Mac, or James Taylor
Kimmy -> Tegan & Sara

etc.

I am an omnivore.  I like all these bands, and solo artists and more.  As such, I declare this music thread to put out music that is different or challenging !
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 27, 2017, 06:20:37 am
First post is Edgard Victor Achille Charles Varèse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgard_Var%C3%A8se

Supposedly he inspired Frank Zappa to be a musician.  (I'm severely Zappa challenged, so I'm listening to the Zappa catalogue from the beginning to get caught up.)

Here is his piece ionisation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9mg4KHqRPw

Amériques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq8SKwi-ycE

Experimental classical, kind of like an extension of where Charles Ives was going with his jarring, non-uniform classical pieces.



Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 27, 2017, 07:37:25 am
This is Jaco Pastorius, widely considered one of the best & most innovative bass players ever.  This is my favorite thing I've heard from him in my limited listening.  The crazy stuff starts around 2:30 and the ending is epic.  He's covering a Jimi Hendrix song here (kinda lol).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtHbxsdExlE

My new favorite band, these videos are amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-i1XZc8ZwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f78_Tf4Tdk
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 27, 2017, 07:43:11 am
Also a late convert to Frank Zappa.  My fav is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuT4dvakkiA
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on November 27, 2017, 08:56:47 am
Kimmy -> Tegan & Sara

 :o

I can't believe you did that!  I'm shocked, Michael.  Shocked!

I'm speechless!

Speechless!




Speechless!!

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: SirJohn on November 27, 2017, 09:26:42 am
Some people think I am weird but I like to challenge myself in every way.  With art, film, music that means trying something new.  I don't know what peoples' regular music tastes on here are but some guesses might be:

SirJohn -> BTO, or Eagles Greatest Hits


I had both of them - the greatest hits. Also have several live performance videos from the Eagles. :-P
Also big fan of Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young, John Denver, Willie Nelson and Loreena Mckennitt.
When I was younger my favorite records was a collection of a dozen LPs featuring the world's greatest waltzes.

Oh, and also like Fleetwood Mac and James Taylor, so there.

How's that for eclectic.
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: SirJohn on November 27, 2017, 09:28:34 am
:o

I can't believe you did that!  I'm shocked, Michael.  Shocked!

I'm speechless!

Speechless!




Speechless!!

 -k

Apparently not. :D
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on November 27, 2017, 09:44:07 am
I'm feeling a lot of microaggression right now, so I'm going to retreat to my safe space for a while.   :(

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: SirJohn on November 27, 2017, 09:45:22 am
I'm feeling a lot of microaggression right now, so I'm going to retreat to my safe space for a while.   :(

 -k

Are you feeling triggered? Sorry! I'm just not woked yet!  :o
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 27, 2017, 11:57:31 am
Bullshit, I nailed it for all of you ! :D
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: JMT on November 27, 2017, 07:37:51 pm
No

Mariana's Trench

Some other eclectic interests.
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 27, 2017, 08:11:54 pm
Kimmy is more into the "new country" scene me thinks.  A good ol' catchy love song gets her toes a tappin'! 
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: cybercoma on November 27, 2017, 08:12:54 pm
Some people think I am weird but I like to challenge myself in every way.  With art, film, music that means trying something new.  I don't know what peoples' regular music tastes on here are but some guesses might be:

SirJohn -> BTO, or Eagles Greatest Hits
Cyber -> Penguin Café Orchestra
JMT -> Fleetwood Mac, or James Taylor
Kimmy -> Tegan & Sara

etc.

I am an omnivore.  I like all these bands, and solo artists and more.  As such, I declare this music thread to put out music that is different or challenging !
Ive heard of all those bands except the one you picked for me. I’ve been listening on Spotify to different thing by them for the last half hour, so I guess you were right but I didn’t know it yet.
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 27, 2017, 08:34:23 pm
MH I think you'd be a Luther Vandross or Jon Secada guy.  Maybe some tasteful soft-rock (90's Bryan Adams anyone?) at a moderate noise level, treble and bass lowered slightly to push those mids in the mix, on a quality but not-too-elaborate sound system with well-researched magnetically shielded speakers to avoid distortion or picking up any unwanted feedback or fizzle.  Maybe when you're feeling a little dangerous slide on some Doobie Brothers, or cover the kids ears and blast some Alanis Morrisette to head-bang to.

When the wife & kids are away, you break out the old vinyl, carefully slide out your favorite Chicago album from its sleeve and hold it on its edges with your fingertips (careful not to leave any fingerprints on the surface).  As you prepare your favorite medium roast coffee (whole milk, not cream), you grab that swiffer duster & brush away any dust/debris on your LP player, re-calibrate the needle like you recently read on engadget.com, & drop the needle slowly to the first track, while popping open your laptop to enjoy a few insightful hours of political debate on your favorite forums, intermittently jotting down ideas for your next podcast...

Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 27, 2017, 09:09:25 pm
Ive heard of all those bands except the one you picked for me. I’ve been listening on Spotify to different thing by them for the last half hour, so I guess you were right but I didn’t know it yet.

It was a wild guess but well, good...
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 27, 2017, 09:24:35 pm
Maybe when you're feeling a little dangerous slide on some Doobie Brothers, or cover the kids ears and blast some Alanis Morrisette to head-bang to.

Honestly, I like to light the candles open a bottle of wine and listen to 'Lime Jelly Grass' by Renaldo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO2HnZg4SoQ&list=PL92BB21006C3CC58B

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1. When the wife & kids are away, you break out the old vinyl, carefully slide out your favorite Chicago album from its sleeve and hold it on its edges with your fingertips (careful not to leave any fingerprints on the surface). 
2. As you prepare your favorite medium roast coffee (whole milk, not cream)...

1. No kids.  I don't like Chicago but I have 5 Chicago albums.
2. Coffee is consumed without milk or sugar.  We don't have milk in our house and the sugar is put away.
 
You really don't know what you're dealing with here.  I have vinyl that would make a billygoat puke.
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 27, 2017, 09:59:38 pm
Honestly, I like to light the candles open a bottle of wine and listen to 'Lime Jelly Grass' by Renaldo

That's some crazy stuff.  I like it.  I have misjudged you sir.

John Frusciante (Froo-shawn-teh), famed ex-guitarist for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, left the band several years ago and is now doing completely uncommercial synth-pop & other musical experiments, most he doesn't ever intend to release.  if you like weird **** go check out his website.  The man is simply a genius, though I'm not much into his new synth pop stuff except this diddy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPKcVY2S8Cs
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 28, 2017, 06:02:54 am
Wife likes this guy, knew about him.  She liked Red Hots also, but I thought they were simply an American popped-out Gang of Four.  One of the Gang produced them, I think, which is a strange pairing... meteorologically.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

"Monumental minds dissect the root causes of ideas."  Michael Hardner
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 28, 2017, 06:27:32 am
My favourite musician is Jonathan Richman.  I have almost all of his albums, maybe 20 of 23 or so official albums ie. non-boots. He is regarded by many as the inventor of punk.  If you want to argue that, start a new thread please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKVOcql57u8

I don't have this one, but I just offered $30 US ($40 asked) on it, on vinyl of course.

What he lacks in singing ability, he makes up for in wisdom and passion.  He spent a career of singing little baubles of anti-intellectual joy.  When I saw him live last, I heard him play 'When My Mother Lay Laying' about watching his mom go.   You could hear a pin drop as all his fans listened.  I'm tearing up just thinking of it now.

Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on November 28, 2017, 08:47:32 pm
I don't know if something 50 years old still qualifies as experimental, but I'm sure it did when it came out. And I'm sure it's still "challenging" and "different" to most listeners.

A Saucer Full of Secrets, by Pink Floyd.   To me this is like a mini-opera... I picture it as a storm or maybe a battle.  The first 3 minutes are gathering clouds or rising tension. Then, 3 minutes of fury... it would be a stretch even calling it music... it's just chaos and discord.  Then the storm dissipates, the battle comes to an end, or whatever.  And the finale, the last 5 minutes or so of the song is mourning, grieving, and then rebuilding... repairing the damage, picking up the pieces, starting anew.  David Gilmour was only about 21 when this was recorded... his voice kind of cracks when he comes in with the vocal, but he soldiers on regardless.

I think the final 5 minutes of this is among my favorite pieces of music ever. I find it so beautiful that it makes my eyes mist up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL68EXJEAPs

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on November 30, 2017, 05:26:01 am
I like it when young'uns drink up the classics :)  One time at BurningMan these young early 20s ladies came up to us while we were jamming acoustic and requested Joni Mitchell.  They knew all the words, so I knew they had good relationships with their mothers.  Unlike Joni's daughter herself come to think of it :(

Anyway, there is pink floyd on this, and #1 is Don Van Vliet ....

https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/14320/50-weirdest-albums
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on December 01, 2017, 01:34:01 am
CANADIAN CONTENT ALERT

STAND BY FOR CAN-CON




Godspeed! You Black Emperor is a Montreal band/group/orchestra/thing.   Their songs are instrumental, some having audio clips or spoken-word monologues added...  I gather their live performances are multimedia intensive, and their lineup includes a projectionist (in addition to 3 guitar players, two bass players, two drummers, a violin player, and possibly a cellist or trumpet player depending who shows up that day.

I discovered this music in my moody late teens, when Napster was still a thing.  I didn't realize they were still active, but they apparently reformed in 2010 and released a new album in September.

Their songs are, like "A Saucer Full of Secrets", soundscapes that evoke feelings and moods rather than thoughts. Musical themes appear and then evolve into other themes then vanish to be replaced by other themes.  Some of these themes are loud and aggressive, others are dreamy or sleepy, or panicked and frenetic... having a hard time deciding which ones to post, as there are several I really like.  "Providence" and "Rockets Fall on Rocket Falls" are honorable mentions, but I think "the Dead Flag Blues" and "Storm"  illustrate the range of moods that GYBE creates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thvHDskYvA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZ_TgE3x_A


 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on December 01, 2017, 05:33:42 am
Yes, wow, I have heard of them.  How does it work that Montreal continuously incubates great music ?
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on December 03, 2017, 11:09:14 am
Yes, wow, I have heard of them.  How does it work that Montreal continuously incubates great music ?

Maybe being at the center of a collision of many cultures? 

Another Montreal outfit, We Are Wolves. I first heard them because one of their songs was in the soundtrack of a car racing video game at least 10 years ago.

CANADIAN CONTENT ALERT, STAND BY FOR CAN-CON

Vamos a la playa -- Let's go to the beach!  I found this inexplicably catchy. Grinding, droning organ sound, drums that sound like they're being played by Donkey Kong, a simple barely there melody, a kazoo at one point, and a video that they filmed on a budget of $6.  $5 of which was spent buying enough MDMA to get the girl to take off her clothes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EXVxlOev5s

This is the song from the video game. I actually discovered quite a few bands I'd never heard of through the Need For Speed video game soundtracks, which included quite a variety of music.  I believe that bands or their management actually contact video game developers in hopes of getting their music on the soundtrack. It can lead to massive exposure (Cage The Elephant and No Rest For The Wicked being an extreme example.)  I don't care for the vocals, but I found the intense DeepPurplesque organ sound to be cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c_rXDqlADI

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on December 03, 2017, 11:21:16 am
I posted Spindrift in the All-Purpose Music Thread. They are the band that created the Ennio Morricone-inspired soundtrack for the movie that didn't actually exist.

This is from earlier in their career, when they were perhaps still figuring out what their mission in life was. This is just **** up.  Distorted and incomprehensible vocals, unsettling drone, a bass riff that feels like it's being played in slow motion, crickets, and a frog.  I don't know if the frog got a vocals credit on the liner notes.

If you tried the brown acid and your trip is not specifically too good, this would be the perfect soundtrack.  Dude your fingers look totally weird right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qoKEHr3T5Q

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on May 11, 2019, 01:56:10 pm
CAN-CON ALERT! STAND BY FOR CAN-CON!

Black Mountain are a Vancouver band who make some pretty unusual music. I posted a few of their songs in the All Purpose Music Thread a while back.

I thought I'd revive this thread to post this ... uh, opus magnum.

This is not specifically too good... at times it teeters on the brink of becoming a total trainwreck.  Still, I find it endearing for some reason.  I admire their ambition.  They obviously decided to really swing for the fences here.  It seems like they had a dream of creating a gigantic prog-rock epic.   Like Pink Floyd's "Echoes" or Rush's "2112 Overture" or a Godspeed You Black Emperor! instrumental, this is a mini-opera in several parts.  A four minute intro, a three minute hard rock eruption, a four minute organ-centered instrumental interlude that really reminds me of Pink Floyd, and a slow-building final act that brings the overall runtime to almost 17 minutes.


As with other Black Mountain songs, it's undone by pretty bad vocals... but it's redeemed somewhat by some lovely instrumental work and the sheer audacity of the piece. The poor girl opens her throat and screams like a banshee with no fear of how ridiculous she might sound... and she does sound pretty ridiculous, and I admire her for it. They seem to completely lack the self-consciousness to realize that they're just not talented enough to make this work.

BEHOLD... Bright Lights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o6QgcNS4RE

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: Pinus or Vid or...????? on May 11, 2019, 05:56:10 pm
I don't know if something 50 years old still qualifies as experimental, but I'm sure it did when it came out. And I'm sure it's still "challenging" and "different" to most listeners.

A Saucer Full of Secrets, by Pink Floyd.   To me this is like a mini-opera... I picture it as a storm or maybe a battle.  The first 3 minutes are gathering clouds or rising tension. Then, 3 minutes of fury... it would be a stretch even calling it music... it's just chaos and discord.  Then the storm dissipates, the battle comes to an end, or whatever.  And the finale, the last 5 minutes or so of the song is mourning, grieving, and then rebuilding... repairing the damage, picking up the pieces, starting anew.  David Gilmour was only about 21 when this was recorded... his voice kind of cracks when he comes in with the vocal, but he soldiers on regardless.

I think the final 5 minutes of this is among my favorite pieces of music ever. I find it so beautiful that it makes my eyes mist up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL68EXJEAPs

 -k

If you are referring to the song "Jugband Blues," it is the last song original singer Syd Barrett wrote for the band.  Before the release of the album, they replaced Barrett with his college friend David Gilnour, and the rest of history.  If you actually read the lyrics to Jugbad Blues, it is incredibly sad, as Barrett knew he was going insane, and the lyrics reflect it.  Barrett's schizophrenia and breakdown would be the inspiration for future albums such as "Dark Side of the Moon," "Wish You Were Here," and "The Wall."
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on May 12, 2019, 10:46:38 pm
If you are referring to the song "Jugband Blues," it is the last song original singer Syd Barrett wrote for the band.  Before the release of the album, they replaced Barrett with his college friend David Gilnour, and the rest of history.  If you actually read the lyrics to Jugbad Blues, it is incredibly sad, as Barrett knew he was going insane, and the lyrics reflect it.  Barrett's schizophrenia and breakdown would be the inspiration for future albums such as "Dark Side of the Moon," "Wish You Were Here," and "The Wall."

I don't know much about the Syd Barrett years.  I find a lot of their earlier stuff extremely difficult to listen to. Now that you've mentioned it, it makes perfect sense that some of their work was inspired by Barrett.  I have always wondered if Waters himself had mental health issues... he seems to write really dark depressing songs and had an ugly breakup with the rest of the group.



I wasn't referring to Jugband Blues, I was referring to the last 5 minutes of the song Saucerful of Secrets, not the last 5 minutes of the album.  Saucerful (the song, not the album) has 4 distinct parts, and the final portion is referred to as "Celestial Voices".   The studio version is kind of lifeless, but there are several live versions that are truly wonderful.

This is my favorite version. It starts off mournful, but as it builds energy it becomes joyful and affirming. Waters plays his bass with continuously increasing vigor, truly hammering on it by halfway through. Of all the versions I have heard, this one showcases Wright's beautiful organ sound the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7056aAuz-g



And this one was recorded at Albert Hall with a full orchestra and choir.  Wayyyy over the top, IMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgJxtMp7oGA

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: kimmy on May 12, 2019, 11:00:03 pm
Syd Barrett putting the "psych" in psychadelic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o2sA0vpA-4

 -k
Title: Re: Experimental Music Thread !
Post by: MH on May 13, 2019, 06:15:36 am
There's hardly a visible line between this stuff and Dark Side of the Moon but there you have it.  The 60s were a druggy decade.

Just Discovered GONG on the weekend... Seems like too much. 

I prefer my psychadelic bands with more heart than head.  Have a glass of Ripple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=671AgW9xSiA