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Federal Politics => Canadian Politics => Topic started by: poochy on February 02, 2017, 02:02:53 pm

Title: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: poochy on February 02, 2017, 02:02:53 pm
But this is more about the CBC, apparently O'leary linked a video of himself shooting a handgun on twitter, same day as the funeral for the victims of the mosque killings, and to that i say, ok, and?  Are they implying that he is making some sort of specific statement here, and what exactly would that be?  So in a world where guns exist and people shoot them is there an implied mandatory waiting period before you can shoot them again after someone does something terrible with one and does that apply to other weapons as well? 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/oleary-gun-range-shooting-thursday-1.3963724

Does it only apply to wannabe leaders of political parties or to all of us? Apparently the video isn't new either, it was just re posted idk, i just don't see how this is 'news' and to me, this is the sort of fake news the CBC deals in.  It doesn't make things up, this happened, but is it news, or do the people running the show there have some reason to want to make it seem like it is?  Meanwhile last night it took them 11 minutes on the National to get to the election reform story, by far the biggest of the day, after 9 minutes of the mosque shooting, and 2 minutes of Trump. This same pattern was followed during the Castro controversy and the mydemocracy survey controversy, which was big story that day but got placed behind a story about airmiles points on the National.  So do they reflect what is truly important to us or are they telling us what we should think is important and while they are much more subtle than FOX (not close), is the power of the media to shape our beliefs any different when it's the friendly CBC that's doing it?  Are they not doing it at all, am I an old man yelling at clouds, sometimes im not sure.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: JMT on February 02, 2017, 02:15:44 pm
He shot the gun for one reason - to show that he's a real 'Conservative'.  He's said some things before that gun aficionados don't really like.  He could have picked a better day though.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: poochy on February 02, 2017, 02:26:52 pm
He shot the gun for one reason - to show that he's a real 'Conservative'.  He's said some things before that gun aficionados don't really like.  He could have picked a better day though.

O no doubt, the video is from last spring, and now he's taken it down, i still think that it's only really news if he was trying to make some crazy statement about gun control and the mosque shooting, but I highly doubt that.  There are lots of people out shooting guns today, not posting videos of a gun they shot last spring, and they aren't trying to disrespect anyone.  Back to the clouds.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: ?Impact on February 02, 2017, 02:36:04 pm
So in a world where guns exist and people shoot them is there an implied mandatory waiting period before you can shoot them again after someone does something terrible with one and does that apply to other weapons as well?

No, not at all. I don't have any problem with when O'Leary heads out the range to renew his old hobby. The point is he demonstrated great insensitivity by using today to try and make political hay out of it. This is not about him going to the range, it is about him publishing that fact. There is nothing fake about this news, the leadership hopeful of one of Canada's major political parties decided to make it news and the CBC carried it.

b.t.w. While I consider democratic reform important, and Trudeau breaking his promise a big news item, the act of terrorism in Quebec city is still the top news item. I didn't watch the National last night so I don't know what the relevance of Trump story so the producer may have made the wrong call in that case.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: Blueblood on February 02, 2017, 02:38:08 pm
He shot the gun for one reason - to show that he's a real 'Conservative'.  He's said some things before that gun aficionados don't really like.  He could have picked a better day though.

That's for sure.  His stance on the AR-15 has rubbed a lot of gun owners the wrong way however.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: JMT on February 02, 2017, 02:40:51 pm
That's for sure.  His stance on the AR-15 has rubbed a lot of gun owners the wrong way however.

I happen to disagree with a lot of gun owners.  While i don't necessarily agree with their individual decisions, I think Harper did a great thing when he put the RCMP in charge of the Canadian Firearms Program.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: poochy on February 02, 2017, 02:53:05 pm
So in a world where guns exist and people shoot them is there an implied mandatory waiting period before you can shoot them again after someone does something terrible with one and does that apply to other weapons as well?

No, not at all. I don't have any problem with when O'Leary heads out the range to renew his old hobby. The point is he demonstrated great insensitivity by using today to try and make political hay out of it. This is not about him going to the range, it is about him publishing that fact. There is nothing fake about this news, the leadership hopeful of one of Canada's major political parties decided to make it news and the CBC carried it.

b.t.w. While I consider democratic reform important, and Trudeau breaking his promise a big news item, the act of terrorism in Quebec city is still the top news item. I didn't watch the National last night so I don't know what the relevance of Trump story so the producer may have made the wrong call in that case.

If it was on purpose, as in an attempt to make a statement, i would agree with you, but there doesn't seem to be any indication of that.  Would either of us be as insensitive if we did the same? i know he's a public figure, i know he's running, kinda, but i think it's an overreach to somehow link these two things and make it 'news'.  Well the shooting was a few days ago, and of course im just insensitive, but the stories they displayed last night didn't add much, in fact part of the 9 minutes was about the sign put up on Kelly leitch's office and the Trump story was about protests over the ban, in the US.  Anyway, we could quibble about every detail but i don't recall any of the, not so good for Trudeau stories leading the National, as I said, on at least one occaision with the mydemocracy survey story or the Castro story, im not sure which now, it was trending all day, the media was all over it on twitter, it was covered on CBC's power and politics, but on the biggest news broadcast in the country it was the third story, one of the ones ahead of it was about air miles points...i mean, come on.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: cybercoma on February 02, 2017, 03:02:12 pm
As a CPC leadership candidate, I would expect him to have all kinds of pictures of him shooting guns, cleaning guns, cuddling with guns. I think it's the timing of the post that's in question; however, I read somewhere that it was an old post that just came up today or something. Either way, I don't really think it's an issue. This is just political "games." There's a bunch of substantive stuff that he should be criticized on. This isn't it.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: the_squid on February 02, 2017, 11:15:49 pm
I believe he made an honest mistake.  Is he an actual gun enthusiast, or is he just pandering to the gun nuts?
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: Blueblood on February 02, 2017, 11:37:50 pm
I believe he made an honest mistake.  Is he an actual gun enthusiast, or is he just pandering to the gun nuts?

Pandering. 
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: poochy on February 03, 2017, 12:19:55 am
Well tonight the National could only muster 7 mins of funeral coverage before they broke out the 2nd story, and what would that be?  Was Trump on vacation? Were there no protests today?  Well idk, but apparently it seems that a story about an old video posted at a bad time without any obvious malicious intent in regards to the mosque shooting warranted a second place showing on the nations biggest news program.  Yesterday another story about the Trump ban (its still in effect today right?) and another 4 minutes was needed to get to our government  breaking one of the biggest promises they made to get themselves elected.  Im sure it's just how it all works out, always, coincidentally, on purpose.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: kimmy on February 03, 2017, 12:21:47 am
Did he wrap the barrel in bacon, like Ted Cruz?  Because if he did, I can totally see why Muslims would be offended.  Otherwise I don't see any reason to draw a connection between this and anything to do with the mosque massacre or the mosque massacre memorial.

It's a politician, pandering to gun-ownership voters.  Why read more into it than that?  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and as I hear it, Kevin O'Leary is a total cigar-head in real life.

 -k
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: SirJohn on February 03, 2017, 11:52:17 am
Well tonight the National could only muster 7 mins of funeral coverage before they broke out the 2nd story, and what would that be?  Was Trump on vacation? Were there no protests today?  Well idk, but apparently it seems that a story about an old video posted at a bad time without any obvious malicious intent in regards to the mosque shooting warranted a second place showing on the nations biggest news program.  Yesterday another story about the Trump ban (its still in effect today right?) and another 4 minutes was needed to get to our government  breaking one of the biggest promises they made to get themselves elected.  Im sure it's just how it all works out, always, coincidentally, on purpose.

I am sensing that you are not guilt-ridden to the point of rending your garments at this act. This is clearly a moral deficiency on your part, and you should be forced into a diversity awareness program to show you how shameful your history is as a member of the winning tribe in mankind's eons long wars.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: wilber on February 03, 2017, 12:47:57 pm
I think he's a jerk to but I don't connect this video to the mosque massacre. I agree with kimmy. He references his time at Saint Jean as the reason for his gun love but apparently he either decided not to pursue, or didn't qualify to get his degree and commission by finishing at Kingston. The military wasn't for him.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: ?Impact on February 03, 2017, 12:59:26 pm
I believe he made an honest mistake.  Is he an actual gun enthusiast, or is he just pandering to the gun nuts?

I think it demonstrates how out of touch he is with Canada - just visiting.

I doubt he has time to be a gun enthusiast.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: SirJohn on February 03, 2017, 09:00:27 pm
I think it demonstrates how out of touch he is with Canada - just visiting.

I doubt he has time to be a gun enthusiast.

In all honesty, he looked like a businessman visiting one of those "Come shoot a gun" places, with the requisite range officer standing behind him to make sure he doesn't shoot himself.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: kimmy on February 03, 2017, 09:06:05 pm
In all honesty, he looked like a businessman visiting one of those "Come shoot a gun" places, with the requisite range officer standing behind him to make sure he doesn't shoot himself.

So on a scale from Mildly Cringeworthy to Totally Kardashian, how shameless would you rate this pandering?

 -k
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: SirJohn on February 04, 2017, 12:35:20 pm
So on a scale from Mildly Cringeworthy to Totally Kardashian, how shameless would you rate this pandering?

 -k

Somewhere in the middle. Call it Standard Politician. It's why lesbian feminist politicians like to visit mosques and show themselves smiling  with imams and millionaire politicians talk about their deep concern for the middle class. It's why politicians glad-hand at bake sales and embrace environmental causes they don't care about and conservative politicians embrace multiculturalism they don't believe in or, for that matter, devout Muslim and Sikh politicians embrace positions on sexual morality which are completely at odds with their religious and moral beliefs. You don't expect much honesty or integrity from a politician.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: ?Impact on February 04, 2017, 02:55:43 pm
with the requisite range officer standing behind him to make sure he doesn't shoot himself.

The first thing that comes to mind is the idiot who handed a 9 year old girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0) a fully automatic weapon, and she then proceeded to kill him due to recoil she couldn`t handle.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: Blueblood on February 04, 2017, 03:14:53 pm
The first thing that comes to mind is the idiot who handed a 9 year old girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0) a fully automatic weapon, and she then proceeded to kill him due to recoil she couldn`t handle.

Freedom is a two edged sword.  Can't save some people from their own foolishness.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on February 06, 2017, 11:00:13 pm
I watch Dragon's Den, and this guy is a complete a-hole clearly.  Even other rich entitled capitalists on the show agree.  And this is the guy some conservatives support?  This is their saviour?

The pendulum is swinging just like in the USA.  Super mega SJW liberal Trudeau, now swinging right to Leitch and a jerk like O'Leary?  Modern progressivism and conservatism are both friggin nuts.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: Blueblood on February 07, 2017, 12:33:41 am
I watch Dragon's Den, and this guy is a complete a-hole clearly.  Even other rich entitled capitalists on the show agree.  And this is the guy some conservatives support?  This is their saviour?

The pendulum is swinging just like in the USA.  Super mega SJW liberal Trudeau, now swinging right to Leitch and a jerk like O'Leary?  Modern progressivism and conservatism are both friggin nuts.

You do know a lot of his stuff in tv is just a schtick to get ratings and attention and it works.  O'Leary knows how to use tv and how to use it against Trudeau.  More importantly he knows how to put out fires.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: ?Impact on February 07, 2017, 05:40:30 am
I watch Dragon's Den, and this guy is a complete a-hole clearly.

Television is about entertainment. Is the actor the a-hole, or is that just the persona he has created?
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: cybercoma on February 07, 2017, 07:49:52 am
You do know a lot of his stuff in tv is just a schtick to get ratings and attention and it works.  O'Leary knows how to use tv and how to use it against Trudeau.  More importantly he knows how to put out fires.
Considering his own colleagues said the O'Leary you see on TV is the O'Leary you get in real life, I'd say his personality defects run deeper than just some character he's putting on. This is the guy who destroyed Mattel.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: wilber on February 07, 2017, 01:20:00 pm
Considering his own colleagues said the O'Leary you see on TV is the O'Leary you get in real life, I'd say his personality defects run deeper than just some character he's putting on. This is the guy who destroyed Mattel.

I agree. An upside is, even if O'Leary does win the leadership, people will have over two years of seeing Trump and Co in action before we have to elect a new government.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: Blueblood on February 08, 2017, 12:47:35 am
Considering his own colleagues said the O'Leary you see on TV is the O'Leary you get in real life, I'd say his personality defects run deeper than just some character he's putting on. This is the guy who destroyed Mattel.

Brett Wilson has a different opinion than Arlene Dickinson.  As does herjavec.  There is some tv hype brought into it too.

As for Mattel, it takes two to make a deal.  Sounds like O'Leary can negotiate a good deal over a giant.  The internet destroyed Mattel more than anything.  They read the trends wrong as software was going the way of the dodo bird when same can be had online.
Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: cybercoma on February 08, 2017, 07:54:01 am
Do you suppose Brett Wilson has a different opinion because they merged fund companies?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/15/kevin-oleary-brett-wilson-merge-companies_n_8304434.html

Title: Re: I think Kevin O'leary is a Jerk
Post by: Omni on February 19, 2017, 01:41:33 am
Did he wrap the barrel in bacon, like Ted Cruz?  Because if he did, I can totally see why Muslims would be offended.  Otherwise I don't see any reason to draw a connection between this and anything to do with the mosque massacre or the mosque massacre memorial.

It's a politician, pandering to gun-ownership voters.  Why read more into it than that?  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and as I hear it, Kevin O'Leary is a total cigar-head in real life.

 -k

I guess if you get your jollies out of firing a GD gun then go for it. But I guess anybody beyond the rednecks would understand that that particular day was a rather insensitive choice to post such a video.