Canadian Politics Today
Beyond Canada => American Politics => Topic started by: Michael Hardner on September 27, 2017, 06:13:15 pm
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451825/free-speech-america-right-to-be-wrong-endangered
Interesting parallels between culture wars and wars of religion. But how to solve them ? Politics is decimated, broken beyond repair. What can be done to rebuild trust ?
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Never shut-up.
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The US Supreme court broke politics when it opened the floodgates to money. Now candidates don't have to care if the party is against them since they have ready sources of cash from every lunatic group out there. The Supreme Court is also responsible for ignoring blatant gerrymandering of congressional districts, which ensures candidates don't really have to worry about elections any more.
And unlike our parties there is no veto by the party leader over prospective candidates down there. Which is why you get moronic candidates like that cowboy in Alabama.
They need to get the money out of politics. When you need $15 million to run a campaign you have to sell yourself to the big money interests or just not bother to run. They need to stop the gerrymandering so congressmen are more wary about what their district might feel about an issue. And the Republicans in particular, need to stop loonies from running under their party banner.
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And unlike our parties there is no veto by the party leader over prospective candidates down there. Which is why you get moronic candidates like that cowboy in Alabama.
They need to get the money out of politics. When you need $15 million to run a campaign you have to sell yourself to the big money interests or just not bother to run. They need to stop the gerrymandering so congressmen are more wary about what their district might feel about an issue. And the Republicans in particular, need to stop loonies from running under their party banner.
I cannot IMAGINE the party leader having so much power that he or she could boot people off the ballot. That to me is a ridiculous feature in the Canadian system of government which, otherwise, isn't all that bad.
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I cannot IMAGINE the party leader having so much power that he or she could boot people off the ballot. That to me is a ridiculous feature in the Canadian system of government which, otherwise, isn't all that bad.
The Republican party is becoming ridiculous because of all the cranks and lunatics which are are crowding in through those open doors, unconstrained by any ability of the party to keep them out. Roy Moore in Alabama being just the latest crank to join the ranks.
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Don’t worry the DNC’s has their gems too
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Don’t worry the DNC’s has their gems too
Yes, but you couldn't get an Al Sharpton nominated to run for Senate...
On the other hand, a far-left socialist WOULD have won the nomination if not for the emergency brake mechanisms that put Hillary in the drivers seat.
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Yes, but you couldn't get an Al Sharpton nominated to run for Senate...
On the other hand, a far-left socialist WOULD have won the nomination if not for the emergency brake mechanisms that put Hillary in the drivers seat.
I would say not only does that far left socialist have a shot at winning the 2020 nomination, he has a shot at the whitehouse in 2020 if he can stay alive and with it and the republicans continue being stalled with not getting legislation passed.
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I would say not only does that far left socialist have a shot at winning the 2020 nomination, he has a shot at the whitehouse in 2020 if he can stay alive and with it and the republicans continue being stalled with not getting legislation passed.
You know... all of us left of centres would probably be happy to see Bernie win but it wouldn't be much more successful than a Trump presidency in terms of major legislation passed. Congress is owned and there isn't a way to eliminate the link between government and the super-wealthy.
He wouldn't get anything passed.
Hillary Clinton at least could have brokered deals and third ways. Cynical times require cynical politicians, maybe.
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You know... all of us left of centres would probably be happy to see Bernie win but it wouldn't be much more successful than a Trump presidency in terms of major legislation passed. Congress is owned and there isn't a way to eliminate the link between government and the super-wealthy.
He wouldn't get anything passed.
Hillary Clinton at least could have brokered deals and third ways. Cynical times require cynical politicians, maybe.
I’d say congress is more self serving and each representative focusing on surviving than willing to rock the boat to pass legislation. Remember that their government was designed so that it’s very difficult to get things done.
Hillary Clinton lost because people did not want her for president. I mean if Mitt Romney won note votes than trump in Wisconsin and still lost the state to Obama shows that democrats stayed home.
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To be clear, based on the popular vote, the people in fact did want Hillary Clinton as President.
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Hillary Clinton lost because people did not want her for president.
Maybe, but thread drift.
I was arguing about cynical proxies as the political norm being EFFECTIVE deal brokers. Without the right-to-be-wrong there is only disunity. Complaining about centrists is one thing but electing crazy uncompromising people will lead to stasis, a seized-up political machine, and eventually violence.
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You know... all of us left of centres would probably be happy to see Bernie win but it wouldn't be much more successful than a Trump presidency in terms of major legislation passed. Congress is owned and there isn't a way to eliminate the link between government and the super-wealthy.
Sure there is. Appoint democrats to the supreme court. The law is whatever they say it is. It was a pair of SC rulings by a Republican court which opened the floodgates to corporate buyouts of politicians across the country. A Democratic court could reverse those rulings. That was the one reason (aside from Trump being a lying, ignorant ****) why I was hoping Clinton would win.
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Sure there is. Appoint democrats to the supreme court. The law is whatever they say it is. It was a pair of SC rulings by a Republican court which opened the floodgates to corporate buyouts of politicians across the country. A Democratic court could reverse those rulings. That was the one reason (aside from Trump being a lying, ignorant ****) why I was hoping Clinton would win.
You are more of a Democrat than I realized. But I guess so...
I'm concurring too much today.
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To be clear, based on the popular vote, the people in fact did want Hillary Clinton as President.
Except in pa, mi, and wi. They stayed home there. There’s a reason why there’s an electoral college and it’s not based solely on the popular vote as their country is large and the population isn’t spread out uniformily.
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Maybe, but thread drift.
I was arguing about cynical proxies as the political norm being EFFECTIVE deal brokers. Without the right-to-be-wrong there is only disunity. Complaining about centrists is one thing but electing crazy uncompromising people will lead to stasis, a seized-up political machine, and eventually violence.
Like the divisive previous two presidents?
The Americans chose a loud boor over someone who they feel is corrupt. To put things into context, there have been two huge events and the way that they were handled that has divided the USA quite sharply.
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Like the divisive previous two presidents?
I feel like we're in slippery slope territory. I didn't think GW Bush was great, but I thought people calling him Hitler was absolutely ridiculous, and him getting personally blamed for 9/11 was also ridiculous.
I don't think Trump is Hitler either. Some do. But we are clearly getting more divisive, it seems like a downward trend. Right to be wrong, or a culture change or large unifying event might reverse this.
The Americans chose a loud boor over someone who they feel is corrupt. To put things into context, there have been two huge events and the way that they were handled that has divided the USA quite sharply.
Two huge events ?
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I feel like we're in slippery slope territory. I didn't think GW Bush was great, but I thought people calling him Hitler was absolutely ridiculous, and him getting personally blamed for 9/11 was also ridiculous.
I don't think Trump is Hitler either. Some do. But we are clearly getting more divisive, it seems like a downward trend. Right to be wrong, or a culture change or large unifying event might reverse this.
Two huge events ?
9/11 and the Lehman Bros crash. Very divided country as a result of it.
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9/11 and the Lehman Bros crash. Very divided country as a result of it.
9/11 united the US for awhile. The 2008 crash is in the past. While I agree that disunity is a thing, it's a loooong drawn out decline.
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9/11 united the US for awhile. The 2008 crash is in the past. While I agree that disunity is a thing, it's a loooong drawn out decline.
The way bush handled it by having a trillion dollar war with nothing to show for it except soldiers getting killed upset a lot of people and rightfully so.
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The way bush handled it by having a trillion dollar war with nothing to show for it except soldiers getting killed upset a lot of people and rightfully so.
Bush "handled it" by invading Afghanistan and toppling the government, which was a popular move at the time. After that, we're back to the long decline and the political drift downward.
Right to be wrong definitely would have helped the dialogue at GulfWarTwo.