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Beyond Canada => American Politics => Topic started by: Michael Hardner on August 22, 2017, 09:44:25 pm
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/fake-polls-are-a-real-problem/
Hard to believe that 100% bullshit like this gets reported but hey.
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Kid Rock? Whut?
So, my first serious girlfriend was a stripper, we met at a club where I was a waitress and bartender and occasionally bouncer. Anyways, we were playing a trivia game at a bar, and the answer to one of the questions was that Kid Rock's "Devil Without A Cause" record had sold over 8 million copies. And I said that I didn't know there were that many strippers. Because every stripper has "Bawitdaba" and "Cowboy" on their playlist. I thought it was hilarious. She didn't. She would not speak to me for like 2 weeks afterward.
We never spoke of that again. Even though I still think it's hilarious.
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But srsly tho if Kid Rock is running for public office we are half way to Idiocracy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA
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She would not speak to me for like 2 weeks afterward.
We never spoke of that again. Even though I still think it's hilarious.
Weird subject matter for a fight. I was good friends with a stripper as she transitioned ... to civil service work. When I turned legal age, my friend and I went 2 or 3 times then decided it was a waste of time.
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But srsly tho if Kid Rock is running for public office we are half way to Idiocracy.
We got all the way to idiocracy when the morons in the United States elected Trump.
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Kid Rock? Whut?
So, my first serious girlfriend was a stripper, we met at a club where I was a waitress and bartender and occasionally bouncer. Anyways, we were playing a trivia game at a bar, and the answer to one of the questions was that Kid Rock's "Devil Without A Cause" record had sold over 8 million copies. And I said that I didn't know there were that many strippers. Because every stripper has "Bawitdaba" and "Cowboy" on their playlist. I thought it was hilarious. She didn't. She would not speak to me for like 2 weeks afterward.
We never spoke of that again. Even though I still think it's hilarious.
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I worked in a few strip bars in the 90's and I concur, Kid Rock is definitely a staple on the playlist. I can't believe stating the obvious would cause a two week lovers' quarrel. :D
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Nowadays every stripper peels to Flo Rida.
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I worked in a few strip bars in the 90's and I concur, Kid Rock is definitely a staple on the playlist. I can't believe stating the obvious would cause a two week lovers' quarrel. :D
Well, I thought I was making a funny observation, and she thought I was laughing at strippers. She basically heard my comments as "lol, Kid Rock is so trashy. lol, strippers are so tacky. lol, I'm kimmy, I think I'm better than everybody else." She felt that people looked down on her for her occupation, and it was a touchy subject.
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All I got out of that is you date girls. I didn't know you date girls. I don't know why I would know but I didn't.
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I used to date girls. Then I dated women. Then I got married.
Since that came up again, once again I want to point out that young people seem to be generally very fluid with regards to gender and preference. I'm not in the game, so I just nod approvingly and help create safe places for people to express themselves.
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I'm sorry. I drifted the thread. We need to focus on what's important here, which is Kid Rock's political future. There are important questions that must be answered.
-Kid Rock often sings about having smoked weed. But did he ever inhale?
-Kid Rock often sings about getting a lot of ****. But does he grab it?
-as a self-described pimp, does Kid Rock keep binders full of women? Or does he have, perhaps a Rolodex or maybe something more modern?
-if Kid Rock runs for President at some point in the future, will Joe C be his running-mate?
These are the questions we need answers to before we can vote for Kid Rock.
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Since that came up again, once again I want to point out that young people seem to be generally very fluid with regards to gender and preference. I'm not in the game, so I just nod approvingly and help create safe places for people to express themselves.
I think, in earlier days, someone like me would probably have been able to be content with a traditional heterosexual marriage, and leave their other interests as either I guess fantasy or perhaps illicit shenanigans on the side.
I mean, I could have been content to do that. In another thread, SirJohn said something along the lines of "in the 1950s, everybody was heterosexual, even if they weren't." I'm not sure about everybody, but I don't doubt that lots of people who weren't entirely heterosexual pretended they were and even convinced themselves they were, just for the sake of conforming to expectations and fitting in and having what people thought of as a normal life. And I think I probably could have done that too, and been fairly content. But at some point, around 10 years ago, I realized I didn't have to. I guess partly because of social change, and partly as a result of diving head-first into independence and cutting ties with my family, I felt free to really explore things.
All I got out of that is you date girls. I didn't know you date girls. I don't know why I would know but I didn't.
I don't really advertise... back in olden-times on MLW, I often talked about "my special guy" when I was in a long-term heterosexual relationship, usually by way of sharing anecdotes or stories. And for a long time I haven't done much of that sort of thing at MLW. Part of it is that I wasn't really comfortable talking about it in that company, especially lately with the increasing number of alt-right kooks and Trumptards and religious fanatics over there. I feel more secure in this smaller, friendlier group. But also I don't think discussion and argument should be based on the personal. If the topic was denying LGBT people accommodations at a hotel, and somebody says "well as an LGBT person, I feel..." then they're arguing from feelings, not from logic or fact. Feelings aren't a good argument. If we were talking about animal cruelty and somebody showed up and said "well as someone who likes to set dogs on fire, I feel offended when you say people like me are psychotic..." ...well, he might be offended, but that doesn't mean he isn't psychotic.
Of course sometimes it's hard not to. I got pretty heated a while back in a thread talking about withered old dumb-ass rednecks talking crap in restaurants. That was feelings getting the better of me.
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I don't agree that it's necessarily arguing from feelings. Someone's who's LGBTQ grew up and lives with certain experience that heterosexuals will never face. Sure a heterosexual could logically understand things, but a person's experience gives them perspective that others don't have.
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I don't agree that it's necessarily arguing from feelings. Someone's who's LGBTQ grew up and lives with certain experience that heterosexuals will never face. Sure a heterosexual could logically understand things, but a person's experience gives them perspective that others don't have.
As I have said, knowing trans people has made my understanding of their rights into a personal thing. 'Feelings' aren't the be-all of discussions, but these logical systems and frameworks only exist to make peoples' lives better.
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I don't agree that it's necessarily arguing from feelings. Someone's who's LGBTQ grew up and lives with certain experience that heterosexuals will never face. Sure a heterosexual could logically understand things, but a person's experience gives them perspective that others don't have.
Yeah, I second that. I often use my personal experiences as a woman/minority and I don't think it diminishes my point. It just gives it more perspective.
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Well, I thought I was making a funny observation, and she thought I was laughing at strippers. She basically heard my comments as "lol, Kid Rock is so trashy. lol, strippers are so tacky. lol, I'm kimmy, I think I'm better than everybody else." She felt that people looked down on her for her occupation, and it was a touchy subject.
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Ahhh, that makes more sense. It probably would not have been an issue if you were a dancer yourself but because you weren't it was taken the wrong way.
It's kind of like the reason why black people can call each other 'nigga' but a totally non-racist white person still shouldn't use the word even if there is no malice behind it.
When power dynamics are not equal, innocent jokes and terms of endearment can be take the wrong way and whether we like it or not, we do have a totem pole in society and women in any form of sex trade are frowned upon.
There was a scene in zootopia where the bunny says 'only bunnies can call other bunnies cute' and it's true even though it's a difficult concept for some non-bunnies to understand.
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Ahhh, that makes more sense. It probably would not have been an issue if you were a dancer yourself but because you weren't it was taken the wrong way.
It's kind of like the reason why black people can call each other 'nigga' but a totally non-racist white person still shouldn't use the word even if there is no malice behind it.
When power dynamics are not equal, innocent jokes and terms of endearment can be take the wrong way and whether we like it or not, we do have a totem pole in society and women in any form of sex trade are frowned upon.
There was a scene in zootopia where the bunny says 'only bunnies can call other bunnies cute' and it's true even though it's a difficult concept for some non-bunnies to understand.
Of course it's small things like that that are another drop in the bucket of social engineering. Subtle political comments placed in kid's movies like that might seem cute, but when the bucket gets full, it really becomes very negative.
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Of course it's small things like that that are another drop in the bucket of social engineering. Subtle political comments placed in kid's movies like that might seem cute, but when the bucket gets full, it really becomes very negative.
What absurdist nonsense are you on about now?
"**** Disney! Teaching kids not to be bigots!"
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What absurdist nonsense are you on about now?
"**** Disney! Teaching kids not to be bigots!"
Well, what message did BC Chick get from that small comment. Why did she draw a comparison to "niggas"? That it's not about what is said, but who is saying it. In other words, it's not about teaching kids not to bigots, it's about separating races and putting people (or animals) into a categories.
I enjoyed that movie, but it's full of stereotypes and social engineering.
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Well, what message did BC Chick get from that small comment. Why did she draw a comparison to "niggas"? That it's not about what is said, but who is saying it. In other words, it's not about teaching kids not to bigots, it's about separating races and putting people (or animals) into a categories.
I enjoyed that movie, but it's full of stereotypes and social engineering.
I didn't just talk about whites using 'niggas', I used other examples too where in societal hierarchy even the best intended comments can be taken the wrong way when power-dynamics are not equal.
Micro-aggressions are unintended reinforcements of these power dynamics but it's isn't ONLY about race. It can even be someone's profession as I implied when that person is a sex-worker.
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I enjoyed that movie, but it's full of stereotypes and social engineering.
But people are still opening their wallets and scanning their credit cards to buy Disney. As such, it still stands as a homogenizing and centrist cultural institution. You can tell because the left and right both complain about it. Thank God there's still something. Maybe they can make a movie to explain to people not to bring guns to protest events.
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I didn't just talk about whites using 'niggas', I used other examples too where in societal hierarchy even the best intended comments can be taken the wrong way when power-dynamics are not equal.
Micro-aggressions are unintended reinforcements of these power dynamics but it's isn't ONLY about race. It can even be someone's profession as I implied when that person is a sex-worker.
But you did draw a direct parallel between "only bunnies can call other bunnies cute" and "only blacks can call other blacks "nigga""? That in itself proves my point.
If anyone thinks that a comment like that shows up in a movie organically and without political intent, they would be very naive. Disney movies are full of it, and no, it's not centrist.
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BIf anyone thinks that a comment like that shows up in a movie organically and without political intent, they would be very naive. Disney movies are full of it, and no, it's not centrist.
If it's not centrist, how to they sell it ? Just because they're putting down morals you don't agree with, doesn't make it non-centrist. There are a lot of things about Disney that are traditional and conservative also. They pick a mushy middle morality and sell it. And people buy it.
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But you did draw a direct parallel between "only bunnies can call other bunnies cute" and "only blacks can call other blacks "nigga""? That in itself proves my point.
If anyone thinks that a comment like that shows up in a movie organically and without political intent, they would be very naive. Disney movies are full of it, and no, it's not centrist.
Zootopia had some politics, but as MH said, there was more to the story than that. As for that particular line in the movie, as I have indicated twice now, it can be used in the context of occupations too, it's not just about race.
It all comes down to human relations, a common theme of Disney. You can keep making it about race though if you want.
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Zootopia had some politics, but as MH said, there was more to the story than that. As for that particular line in the movie, as I have indicated twice now, it can be used in the context of occupations too, it's not just about race.
It all comes down to human relations, a common theme of Disney. You can keep making it about race though if you want.
No, it's not just about race - as I said, it's more about categorizing identity groups...regulating how we talk, who we address and how. It's the democratic playbook of identity politics. The fox isn't allowed to call the bunny cute because the bunny is historically a victim of the fox.
Look, I think the politics slipped in to children's movies escapes most of you, but it is there, and it's not by accident either.
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So if I get what you're saying, Hal, you feel that Disney is being insensitive to white people who want to call black people "nigga", and you feel that Disney, as a big corporation with a broad audience, should take a neutral stance on the "nigga" issue.
Is that more or less it?
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So if I get what you're saying, Hal, you feel that Disney is being insensitive to white people who want to call black people "nigga", and you feel that Disney, as a big corporation with a broad audience, should take a neutral stance on the "nigga" issue.
Is that more or less it?
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No, you don't get what I'm saying.
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If you think that Disney isn't centrist, look at the complaints from the left - there are plenty.
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No, it's not just about race - as I said, it's more about categorizing identity groups...regulating how we talk, who we address and how. It's the democratic playbook of identity politics. The fox isn't allowed to call the bunny cute because the bunny is historically a victim of the fox.
Look, I think the politics slipped in to children's movies escapes most of you, but it is there, and it's not by accident either.
Miss Manners must seem like a fascist to you in how she regulates how you talk. How radical of her to tell you how to address people and when to say 'please' and 'thank you.' It's all just leftist social engineering!
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If you think that Disney isn't centrist, look at the complaints from the left - there are plenty.
Well TBH, I think you're not totally wrong. As I review some movies in my thoughts, I suppose there is some social engineering that the left could take issue with, mainly in some of the older movies. Moana is very feminist through and through, but also has some subtle points that the leftists might complain about.
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Moana is very feminist ...
Treating women as equals is a pretty mainstream (centrist) idea these days.
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Treating women as equals is a pretty mainstream (centrist) idea these days.
Maybe we should ask who on here really is centrist ? I feel like I am...
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Treating women as equals is a pretty mainstream (centrist) idea these days.
Really, did you actually see some sort of equality between the characters?
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Hal, maybe you want to enlighten us why treating people with respect and women being equal are considered 'leftist social engineering' and not common sense.
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Maybe we should ask who on here really is centrist ? I feel like I am...
As a centrist, I feel that you are most definitely on the Left.
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As a centrist, I feel that you are most definitely on the Left.
And I feel your commentary on imigration for instance puts you a "few" notches right of a centrist.
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If I'm not a centrist who here is ?
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If I'm not a centrist who here is ?
Someone in the centre is generally not a person who simply has moderate, middle of the road, bland views on everything. A centrist will have some right of centre views, and some left of centre views. I have a number of views which are on the Left and a number on the Right. That's what makes me a centrist. I hate Republicans but I think the Democrats are idiots - as an example. Have you seen anyone on these groups more critical of Trump, and before that the Tea Party than me? Yet I feel no affinity for the Democrats. A lot of them are as bad, in their way, as the Tea baggers, with their ignorant identity politics and reverse racism and simplistic stupidity. I feel equal contempt for the far left and the far right. You won't find me making excuses for either group. I've been highly critical of the Conservatives in the past, and will be again.
As far as I have seen through reading your posts for years all your views are Left of centre.
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And I feel your commentary on imigration for instance puts you a "few" notches right of a centrist.
That's because as far as you're concerned anyone to the right of Fidel Castro is a fascist.
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Someone in the centre is generally not a person who simply has moderate, middle of the road, bland views on everything. A centrist will have some right of centre views, and some left of centre views. I have a number of views which are on the Left and a number on the Right. That's what makes me a centrist. I hate Republicans but I think the Democrats are idiots - as an example. Have you seen anyone on this groups more critical of Trump than me? I feel equal contempt for the far left and the far right. You won't find me making excuses for either group. I've been highly critical of the Conservatives in the past, and will be again.
As far as I have seen through reading your posts for years all your views are Left of centre.
You are socially and fiscally conservative. You express contempt of anyone you consider 'leftist' in the least, not just far left. Calling yourself a centrist is ridiculous.
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You are socially and fiscally conservative. You express contempt of anyone you consider 'leftist' in the least, not just far left. Calling yourself a centrist is ridiculous.
I express contempt for people who act in a contemptible fashion. I discuss things politely with people who post in a polite fashion. I've been pretty consistent with that, although there have been occasional lapses, I admit, especially when dealing with anti-Semites or the likes of Hot Enough, say, who are just brainlessly anti-Western. With you, your habit of rushing to the defense of Muslims every time there's an outrage, and frantically searching out some comparable 'crime' a Christian has committed is illogical and silly, and I tend to be less respectful towards it. When you try to tell me how great life is for women in the Muslim world I can't help just roll my eyes.
Socially conservative? I'm pro-choice, though reluctant because I see it as wasteful. I don't support the death penalty because I don't trust the justice system to get things right. I'm in favor (mostly) of lgbt rights. In terms of gender I'm, if not a feminist, an equallist. I think any woman who can prove she's as good as a man should have an equal shot at a job or promotion. I'm strongly in favour of public education and public health care and have called for public pharmacare. I'm in favour of greatly increased and expanded skills and educational training for the unemployed or unemployable. I would like to see greatly enhanced mental health services as well as drug and alcohol treatment facilities. I support public transit and livable cities. I'm an environmentalist - a sensible one, the kind you don't see much of on TV.
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Well, you make a case for yourself but why I wouldn't be considered a centrist is a head-scratcher to me.
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Well, you make a case for yourself but why I wouldn't be considered a centrist is a head-scratcher to me.
How many right wing policies/beliefs do you support?
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You have to support right wing ideologies to be considered a centrist? LOL. Up is down... down is up with that worldview!
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How many right wing policies/beliefs do you support?
How many ? I'd say I support important ones, and am willing to meet half-way on others.
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Actually, it's more about the underpinning values you have rather than a grocery list of what have you supported or not.
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You have to support right wing ideologies to be considered a centrist? LOL. Up is down... down is up with that worldview!
Why this snotty one line post? I don't think anyone could have misunderstood the point. If all the policies you support are Left wing then calling you a centrist is inaccurate.
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How many ? I'd say I support important ones, and am willing to meet half-way on others.
I have been reading your posts/opinions for years and I don't recall any right of centre positions you support.
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If I give you one will you be satisfied ? Or will I have to defend myself for many posts ?
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I have been reading your posts/opinions for years and I don't recall any right of centre positions you support.
For that matter, your 'centrist' positions are not exactly left-of-centre either. Most seem to be policies of the Conservative party. But that realization made me also realize that most of my positions are policies of the Liberal party. As such, we may both be centrists but neither be on the other side of the line. Just some thoughts.
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If I give you one will you be satisfied ? Or will I have to defend myself for many posts ?
I'm not attacking you by saying you appear to be on the Left. I would guess that if we took a poll 90% of other posters would figure the same thing. <shrug> Maybe it's simply the type of positions which come up and are regularly discussed. I'm sure most would figure I'm on the right, and I don't deny being conservative. But I'm a lot closer to centre than some might think simply because the issues which come up for discussion tend to be the ones like immigration and law and order, as opposed to health care.
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Ok, well I favour private-public partnerships, conventional economic and trade policies, and security policy. Also I have expressed support for religious rights for all established religions, which seems to some idiots to favour Islam because ... they just hate Muslims basically.
I can accept being left-of-centre but still centre.
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I can accept being left-of-centre but still centre.
I would say the same thing of myself. I've definitely shifted to the left over the years.